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Karlos · Dec 18, 2006, 09:57 PM // 21:57

I posted the build me and my friends and guildies have been using to conquer the Stygian Veil on the wiki. This is the link:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Build:T...Veil_Symbiosis

Given some responses to the Foundry build... I would like to clarify that this is not THE only Stygian Veil build, nor does it have to be THE best one. This is just A build for those having difficulty doing that place.

The idea of a Symbiosis tank is fully mine, I owe a lot of gratitude to many people who have helped me with making it work and enhancing it. Please feel free to suggest any improvements/corrections/modifications.

This build completes the two quests and kills the Dreadspawn Maw in about three hours or less if done efficiently. There are ways to skip down into the trenches and kill the Lords, but I am assuming that the party needs to do all quests and kill the Maw in this article.

Kalki · Dec 19, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

Another wonderful team build from DoA. Thanks Lamees

caasig · Dec 19, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

Cheers Lamees

Karlos · Dec 19, 2006, 04:07 AM // 04:07

Oh yes. No one plays the bonder role better than this guy up here.

Burst Cancel · Dec 19, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

The build isn't efficient. The bonder is unnecessary, symbiosis is unnecessary, and the spirit spammer is better as a trapper rather than a cripshot. Elementalists are not optimal damage characters in Veil; they're primarily useful for the KD from MS and their ability to continue casting over long periods in the event that something goes wrong. Their frontloaded damage is actually quite poor in comparison to other classes, so there's no reason to take more than one or two of them.

Carinae · Dec 19, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Karlos

The idea of a Symbiosis tank is fully mine

That's a bit much, I think. Lots of people have considered a Sym Tank. We ran a Sym Tank on Orozar, in Oct '05, so again your quote seems a bit over the top. But, whatever.

We were considering running a Sym Tank on the very first day in DoA. We decided not to because Symbosis actually helps some of the monsters, and they were hard enough to kill already, and what we were doing worked sufficiently.

A Sym-Tank + Sym-Infuser is about the only defense there is against the swarm of Vamp Touchers. Just have so much health they can't take it all.

Of course, killing them very quickly also solves this problem, without the need for Sym.

SnipiousMax · Dec 19, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Several posts were removed.

This is not the place to discuss/complain about any supposed imbalances or lack of creativity with certain professions. Feel free to ask questions, comment on the effeciency, and discuss options for this build, or feel free to make a thread of your own with a new build featuring other professions. Do not hijack a thread for your own vendettas.

Karlos · Dec 20, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Burst: I am guessing you have not done Veil. You should try it with a regular tanks, watch him drop in 5 seconds and then revisit the issue. 6 touchers each stealing 86 health every second = dead tank. The entire idea of Symbiosis is to give the tank upward of 2000 health and allow him to absorb the touchies while the nukers finish them off. You need MS + Freeze to be able to kill all the foes around the tank before aggro scatters. You do NOT want broken aggro in DoA of more than 1 or 2 monsters.

Carinae: I was not saying I made up the idea of a heavily enchanted Symbiosis tank, I am saying it was fully my idea that we try it in the veil and (as far as I can tell) we were one of the first to beat it that way, which is a LOT faster and more efficient than trapping. Of course, the symbiosis bonder is a very old concept.

Burst Cancel · Dec 20, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Karlos

Burst: I am guessing you have not done Veil.

I have. Again, symbiosis is not necessary. Deep freeze is not necessary. Bonder is not necessary.

Karlos · Dec 20, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

I have. Again, symbiosis is not necessary. Deep freeze is not necessary. Bonder is not necessary.

None of this is "necessary." Did you read my first post? It clearly says that this is not the ONLY way to do Veil, nor the BEST way to do Veil, just a tried and true (and VERY efficient) way of doing Veil.

Feel free to post your bonderless, Symbiosisless, Deep-Freezeless build and share your expertise. I for one am eager to see how you plan to keep anything alive against those touchers without significantly boosting their total hit points.

Burst Cancel · Dec 20, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Karlos

None of this is "necessary." Did you read my first post? It clearly says that this is not the ONLY way to do Veil, nor the BEST way to do Veil, just a tried and true (and VERY efficient) way of doing Veil.

You act as if posting that disclaimer makes your build immune to criticism. Just because you said your build is not the best, nobody is allowed to point out flaws?

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Originally Posted by Karlos

Feel free to post your bonderless, Symbiosisless, Deep-Freezeless build and share your expertise. I for one am eager to see how you plan to keep anything alive against those touchers without significantly boosting their total hit points.

W/E Obsflesh tank
E/Mo SF nuker (x1~2)
Me/Mo esurge nuker (x2~3)
R/Mo trapper+eoe
Mo/E ZB prot
Mo/* healer

No deep freeze, no wards, no symbiosis, and no bonder.

Karlos · Dec 24, 2006, 11:50 AM // 11:50

Wait, you actually found THREE mesmers in DoA to do an E-Surge nuke with?

Corpselooter · Dec 24, 2006, 12:47 PM // 12:47

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Originally Posted by Karlos

Wait, you actually found THREE mesmers in DoA to do an E-Surge nuke with?

LOL

Anyway, why is the Monk a Necromancer for no obvious reasons? XP

Looks good otherwise, going to try it out this afternoon.
Thanks for sharing.

The Mental Shadow · Dec 24, 2006, 01:09 PM // 13:09

You can even do it without monks

Our only monk errored at at the very start before end of the first quest update.
Altho my infuse and prot spirit saved us alot :P

Karlos · Dec 24, 2006, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Corpselooter

Anyway, why is the Monk a Necromancer for no obvious reasons? XP

That's easy!

Because that part was copied from our Foundry build which was posted first. In that build, the Healer's Boon monk uses Necrotic Traversal to leave the room. I fixed it, thanks.

Burst Cancel · Dec 24, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Karlos

Wait, you actually found THREE mesmers in DoA to do an E-Surge nuke with?

Yeah, oddly enough. Avarre came with us once when we were only running two. Mesmers aren't that common, but at the times we play (1:00am EST) DoA is pretty deserted anyway so it wouldn't make much difference what we ran in terms of difficulty finding people. Case in point - a few days ago we were putting together a foundry group and we couldn't even find a damn warrior.

sakura75 · Dec 25, 2006, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by Karlos

Wait, you actually found THREE mesmers in DoA to do an E-Surge nuke with?

LoL

Sure there are mesmers around, otherwise just PM me. I want to complete DoA with my mesmer. AP or SP Spike is nice too.

Horseman Of War · Dec 27, 2006, 09:30 PM // 21:30

My E Surge Mesmer has been my only character in DoA for weeks now. My very first guild wars character ever- makes me happy. I tried a few different builds for the Cant Touch This paragon, using mesmer secondary to remove the silence hexes and not even bothering to carry a spear but after the amount of flames i got for even trying to tweak the build out, I decided its a lost cause.

OK please dont flame me this is only half serious unlike the paragon idea i had- what about replacing the ranger with a ritualist... and what about a vwk rit with the right support? someone tell me that they vwk. that would be awesome. would a RT/R with symbiosis (or possibly a few totally different spirits - never tried mixing quickening zehphyr and energizing wind together...) possibly work in the mix?

regardless, I have about 5 more minutes at this cpu so I wanted to rant out as many thoughts as I could. have a nice day.