Curse

mr_groovy · Dec 28, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by Keira Darkwind

You need 170 sunspear points to be able to do Jokanur Diggings. I don't think you can do the Docks mission until you have completed the prior missions.

/doh din't he say he got a ferry to get max armor. Just do the mission and farm bugs for points. I don't see a problem.

Epinephrine · Dec 28, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Well, it's NOT against any rules, and it's NOT an exploit/bug, so ANet SHOULD do something since there obviously letting it happen.

Failing to see why they "should" do something.

Many things are not against rules, aren't exploits or bugs, and ANet has no reason to do anything about them.

For example, you can be a massive hindrance to a party, pulling excess aggro, getting people wiped. Not against rules, not an exploit/bug, ANet has no place interfering. Same idea, sure, you CAN trap yourself into not being able to advance. You can also very easily NOT trap yourself. Your choice.

You can get a survivor title, or you can die, not getting it. Your choice. ANet has no obligation to get you a survivor title, nor to let a character who has cornered him/herself progress. It's difficult to block yourself, but really, you screw yourself. ANet didn't screw you.

yeah_hi · Dec 28, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

I don't get this.

If the OP has unlocked travel to Tyria/Cantha, then surely they have unlocked Yohlon Haven on the Elona mainland, and can farm there for sunspear points?

Unless there is some way to unlock inter-continental travel without completing the Consulate Docks mission? The OP says they got "a ferry to Lion's Arch", which I took to mean "got a run through Consulate Docks mission".

I'm trying to understand this so I don't make the same mistake on any of my characters... I have a lvl 4 NF monk I want to work through Prophecies with!

Amity and Truth · Dec 28, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

They should do something about this because there are multiple way to get a character stuck. Some of which may be a bit exploitive, sure thing. Others are not. You CAN hit this wall by simply playing. With the addition of Winters Day you can hit it even faster (I almost managed to stuck my Ranger simply because I played the Underworld Quest and some Snowball Arena).

And thus, there needs to be a fix for this. The option of getting stuck in a game is simply not acceptable, no matter how. It's just a big red "No, no.".

gul dan · Dec 28, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

ok, if you get stuck by playing the festival arenas and stuff, they should do something...

but if you did something that you weren`t suppose to do, it`s your problem...

bryann380 · Dec 28, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

To the OP:
Ignore what the others are saying about the ferrying thing. The reason you can't advance in NF is you haven't started the primary quests yet, beginning with First Spear Dehvad in Kamadan. You must have a certain primary quest active in order to do most missions.

mr_groovy · Dec 28, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

They should do something about this because there are multiple way to get a character stuck. Some of which may be a bit exploitive, sure thing. Others are not. You CAN hit this wall by simply playing. With the addition of Winters Day you can hit it even faster (I almost managed to stuck my Ranger simply because I played the Underworld Quest and some Snowball Arena).

And thus, there needs to be a fix for this. The option of getting stuck in a game is simply not acceptable, no matter how. It's just a big red "No, no.".

Leave the "fearies" alone

. Jeez just do the consulate docks mission and farm points on the mainland. I don't get what the big fuzz is all about

gul dan · Dec 28, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by bryann380

To the OP:
Ignore what the others are saying about the ferrying thing. The reason you can't advance in NF is you haven't started the primary quests yet, beginning with First Spear Dehvad in Kamadan. You must have a certain primary quest active in order to do most missions.

not really...

once you get to a mission, you complete the primary, and the mission can be done...

if you don't do the mission, you can't proceed...

in his case, he can't do the mission because he needs to be a certain rank at sunspear title, and he can't get the title, because the NPC's don't give any bounties, because he wasn't suppose to be a level 20 at such a low level place...

the next place for him to get bounties would be at the mainland, where he can't go, because he didn't do the mission...

Arkantos · Dec 28, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Chrono Re delle Ere

I don't think that anet will fix it as there shouldn't be power levelling and ferrys.....they will never fix it lol! It's not their fault :P

If there shouldn't be, there wouldn't be.

mr_groovy · Dec 28, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by GUL DAN

not really...

once you get to a mission, you complete the primary, and the mission can be done...

if you don't do the mission, you can't proceed...

in his case, he can't do the mission because he needs to be a certain rank at sunspear title, and he can't get the title, because the NPC's don't give any bounties, because he wasn't suppose to be a level 20 at such a low level place...

the next place for him to get bounties would be at the mainland, where he can't go, because he didn't do the mission...

Please read the op's initial post.

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Originally Posted by Splatter Mcnasty

I started a Dervish over the weekend. As soon as I got into Kamadan, I got a ferry to Consulate Docks, bought max armor, then got a ferry to Lions Arch.

Talk to Raidmarshal Mehdara. Do the Mission Consulate docks. Farm Sunspear points on the mainland.

End of story.

bryann380 · Dec 28, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Oh that's right... I forgot you must be Second Spear for the Jokadur mission. Sorry.

gul dan · Dec 28, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Please read the op's initial post.

Talk to Raidmarshal Mehdara. Do the Mission Consulate docks. Farm Sunspear points on the mainland.

End of story.

you should read it...

the guy can't do the mission he needs to do because he needs to be Second Spear, and he can't get to Second Spear because he don't get any more bounties...

HOW will he farm sunspear on the mainland, if he CAN'T get there?

pug_ster · Dec 28, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Go to Champions Dawn and beg some non-elonian guy to go with you on the quest A Land of Heroes. You get 4 sunspear points for every kournman or Corsair killed. Should net you 250 points.

mr_groovy · Dec 28, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Din't think you would need sunspearpoints to do the consulate docks mission. (In that i mean being at the consulate docks but not able to trigger that you can actually do the mission) Just tried with my lvl 5 paragon with 99 sunspearpoints. Pretty lame. Pug_Ster has the best suggestion.

CyberNigma · Dec 28, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Guild Wars isn't all about the story. They cater to all kinds of players, hence things like differnt pvp arenas, pve action, elite quest and farming areas, repreatable quests. I do happen to play with some people that are really hooked on playing the game with other people, farming, doing pvp, doin g high end quests that really could care less what the story is. Not everyone is into that. I am into exploring, but I won't go and say that anyone without 100% cartographer is playing the game wrong. power leveling is a way to blast through the story until you get to the part that oyu really like. I like playijng the story a few times myself. later I just want to try different class builds at the higher level areas. Also, I don't really consider anything less than level 20 content playing the game. Everything prior, including pre-searing Ascalon, Shing Jae Island, and Istani is just the noob tutorial areas to get oyu ready to play the game. All of us are noobs when a new campaign gets released. By the second or thrid character through it many of us are ready to just play the rest of the game (post ascension).

There maybe a few holier-than-thou-play-the-game peeps that have NEVER skipped a cinematic, but that's basically the same thing. You're skipping part of the game. Just like ferrying is available (or running) at certain points, you have the option of pushing that SKIP button. I actually took some of my buddies on a tour in Tyria one time showing them stuff like the Great Dwarf's Anvil. If you don't know what that is or where that is, well then I guess you missed part of the game. I also know people that have completed the game with multiple characters and never knew the Ice Cave existed, or Maguuma Stade. They missed part of the game. I say if you're new, give the game a chance. Take a character from beginning to finish. In fact, I told a few people that just got Nightfall not to take their existing characters over to Elona, but rather create a brand new character so that they don't miss the story from the very beginning. Taking a Tyrian/Canthan over there misses that stuff. Some of them don't care about the story and just start from the ascended content (Consulate Docks to the mainland), and others decided they did want to see the story. After that first character, if you don't care for the beginning anymore, but want a new class for the high end content, make one, get ferried to get your max armour, go to Tyria and ascend over there (quick and easy 50k), and level up in Cantha, then come back. I would just recommend you get about 20-30 sunspear points first before going over there. I've played a shitload of Halo 2 matches with people that have never even played the campaign. Not everyone cares for that shit.The dumbasses telling people to 'play the game as it was intended' usually have basement syndrome and big egos where they figure they know what's best for everyone else.

I don't know which way is best, nor do I care. Do whichever way you feel like doing. Ultimately, it comes back to the time Gaile asked something to the effect of how would you like to be able to play the game the way you want. Well, obviously, SOME people want to play it that way. Maybe ArenaNet will fix it. Maybe they'll decide no and stop the ferrying. That's for ArenaNet to decide and not a load of basement dwellers with International CXT-sized egos to decide. As it happens, these forums are the best way (and only way concerning suggestions) of getting ahold of ArenaNet. They encourage posting suggestions and questions here.

As far as the attitude, I'm sure he was just frustrated and understands that 'demanding' something from ArenaNet is not the best way of getting something done. As Gaile has mentioned int he past, intelligent conversation prevails. Asking nicely if this is something that can be fixed might get a better response. The rest of the thread offers some nice comments on how he may get around it (had he not deleted his char) or for others encountering that problem. To say that he 'cheated' is pretty lame.

Keira Darkwind · Dec 29, 2006, 12:34 AM // 00:34

What I want to know about this is:

I know a non-Elonian does not have the sunspear points requirement anymore. So as a Tyrian or Canthan you can just go and do Consultate Docks.
I thought with Nightfall, you could not run to missions PAST the one you are on and complete them. Is this not the case? Can you do Consultate Docks without having done Jokanur Diggings? *As a native Elonian*
If you can, then that's the answer, I suppose. If there is a way of bypassing that part of the story to get past the "roadblock".

Blightfire · Dec 29, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

I believe there was also an added quest that gives you quite a bit of sunspear points for non-elonian characters before you get to the consuldate docks mission... don't remember it being there when i completed NF my first time

Ninna · Dec 29, 2006, 06:51 AM // 06:51

*No one* is allowed to do Docks mission until they have completed Time is Nigh quest

Elonians can get ferried to other chapters as early as level 3
- but they cannot go to mainland unless they do docks mission

as an elonian,
you need rank of 2nd spear or you cannot do 2nd mission (Diggings)

after Elonians complete 2nd mission, they can travel deeper within Istan

for a possible fix,
as suggested earlier, try to group with a nonelonian for the new quest
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/A_Land_of_Heroes

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If you have less than Sunspear Commander Title (1,000 Sunspear Points), you receive Corsair and Kournan Bounties at beginning of quest for double xp and 4 Sunspear points per kill.

Keira Darkwind · Dec 29, 2006, 08:50 AM // 08:50

From Wiki:

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After completing this quest, travel to Lion's Arch is possible by accepting the Terror in Tyria quest. After completing this quest, travel to Kaineng Center is possible by accepting the Plague in Cantha quest.

It is possible for low level characters to travel with someone doing this quest, in order to gain access to Consulate Docks (Location) to purchase max armor from Vatundo. This is called "ferrying" by many. The trick may be repeated by not accepting the reward for the quest. Just abandon it via your Quest Log window, and do it again.

So as I understand it in order for an Elonian to have been ferried to consulate docks they have done this quest (never been ferried, so don't know the mechanics of it) and therefore can do Consulate Docks, even if they have not done the prior mission at Jokanur?

Ninna · Dec 29, 2006, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by Keira Darkwind

can do Consulate Docks, even if they have not done the prior mission at Jokanur?

Ferried Elonians cannot do Docks mission
- need "Time is Nigh" finished and 500 Sunspear pts to enter mission

Ferried Elonians only have access to the outpost for armor vendors and possible further ferrying to Tyria/Cantha

how NF ferries work
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Consulate Docks:
anyone who has an incomplete "Time is Nigh" quest can group with others in Kamadan and enter the Consulate to progress the quest - whole party is transported

Lions Arch, Tyria:
Elonians who have *completed* "Time is Nigh" but have an incomplete "Terror in Tyria" can group with others at Docks, speak with Mhenlo, and be transported to Tyria.

LA ferry has a special condition of needing the Tyria quest to open the LA gates after you cross over - or you cannot enter into LA

Cantha:
Elonians who have *completed* "Time is Nigh" and have complete/incomplete "Plague in Cantha" can group with others at Docks, speak with Mhenlo, and be transported to Cantha.