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Shyft the Pyro · Aug 17, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by Livingston

That got me 99.8%, which makes me happy after uncovering two little areas of fog before it, that didn't give me anything.

In my experience, each "spot" of fog is worth about 1/3 of 0.1% towards Canthan exploration title. By "spot" I mean not "a particular area you haven't uncovered" but "the smallest possible bit of the map you can unfog." The reason some areas will give you a % and some won't depends not only on the size of the fog patch but also on this "hidden %" your exploration bar doesn't show. This is the reason you can't precisely pinpoint how much an area will give you, as - for example - Jade Quarry has been reported to give 0.3 to 0.5%.

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Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

Still would like some help..

I've already replied with the reason I can't help you...

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

I hate Photobucket. All your images have been resized to about 1/4 of their original size, so I can't do anything with them. Please upload them to Imageshack or another hosting site, and consider using multiple unmerged screenshots of your "U" window if your merged files exceed the size limit.

It was buried in a big post, so I guess you didn't see it.

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Originally Posted by jtchans

I am now at 96.8% and my eyes are starting to bleed.

Probably because you're not using Leighwyn's map and ALT+TAB method. The photoshop overlay method won't get you all the spots in Cantha the way it did in Tyria. Since you're below 97% there should still be several large chunks of fog you'd see on the first comparison against Leighwyn's map.

Normally I'd send you off to do more work on your own, but it's been kind of quiet lately. Here's what you're missing on Shing Jea:

-west wall of Kinya Province;
-center, west wall and SW corner of Sunqua Vale;
-SW corner of Shing Jea Monastery outpost;
-east wall of Panjiang Peninsula;
-the mountain spot west of Tsumei Village;
-north wall of Jaya Bluffs;
-east wall of Haiju Lagoon;
-north wall and SW corner of Zen Daijun explorable.

Let me know if you want me to look over the rest or you'd rather give it a shot on your own

Livingston · Aug 17, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

In my experience, each "spot" of fog is worth about 1/3 of 0.1% towards Canthan exploration title. By "spot" I mean not "a particular area you haven't uncovered" but "the smallest possible bit of the map you can unfog." The reason some areas will give you a % and some won't depends not only on the size of the fog patch but also on this "hidden %" your exploration bar doesn't show. This is the reason you can't precisely pinpoint how much an area will give you, as - for example - Jade Quarry has been reported to give 0.3 to 0.5%.

Yeah I figured that out, doesn't make it any less annoying though.

I'm now on page 19 of this thread comparing every map that someone has drawn circles on to show missing areas. I'm in the process of comparing with the maps of that one guy who had like 30 spots pointed out by Leighwyn. It's funny as in most cases when I do this the spots that are marked by one of the guys on this thread aren't the spots that I need, but my eye will pick up something else while I am comparing.

I dread to think how many little spots I have left that will make up a whole .2%, considering how many times I've tabbed between these maps, it's hard for me to believe they are all there and I simply can't see them.

Livingston

Edit: I've been looking at one spot and I thought I saw a difference between my map and Leighwyn's but then I lost it. If it's there I can't see it anymore. Maybe you guys can double check it for me.

Am I missing anything right here?

map1

Here's some closer pics:

Map2
Map3
Map4

Shyft the Pyro · Aug 17, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Livingston

Am I missing anything right here?

Yes. It's the SW corner of Nahpui Quarter explorable, south of the ranger boss.

Incidentally, you're also missing the SE corner of Undercity and west wall of Pongmei Valley in that screenshot, both of which are easier to reach

Livingston · Aug 17, 2006, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

Yes. It's the SW corner of Nahpui Quarter explorable, south of the ranger boss.

Incidentally, you're also missing the SE corner of Undercity and west wall of Pongmei Valley in that screenshot, both of which are easier to reach

That's weird. I don't see any differences there when I compare back and forth, but I'll head out there to see if it changes for me.

Livingston

Shyft the Pyro · Aug 17, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Livingston

That's weird. I don't see any differences there when I compare back and forth, but I'll head out there to see if it changes for me.

Well the west wall of Pongmei Valley is rather minor, but I did notice you could uncover more along the west wall of Mount Quinkai and in the NW corner of Arborstone explorable. The Mount Quinkai spot is close to the Luxon Aspenwood Gate, so it's another easy bit for you to check

Livingston · Aug 17, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

Well the west wall of Pongmei Valley is rather minor, but I did notice you could uncover more along the west wall of Mount Quinkai and in the NW corner of Arborstone explorable. The Mount Quinkai spot is close to the Luxon Aspenwood Gate, so it's another easy bit for you to check

By Zeus man you must have the eyes of the gods!

What resolution are you checking all this stuff with? Apparently I'm not using a high enough one.

Livingston

Edit: I checked Pongmei. It didn't give me any % but I did notice a subtle change of the fog. I have no idea how you saw that considering I took a zoomed in SS of the area before I did and compared to my zoomed in map afterwards, and I still couldn't see a difference...

With the SE area of the undercity are you referring to the dark black rectangle which has a SE corner that nearly lines up with the Northern entrance of Senji's Corner?

Shyft the Pyro · Aug 17, 2006, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by Livingston

By Zeus man you must have the eyes of the gods!

Well I did pluck them out of... wait, why am I telling you my secrets?!

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Originally Posted by Livingston

What resolution are you checking all this stuff with? Apparently I'm not using a high enough one.

Same resolution you used for your "map 1" screenshot. I just zoom into Leighwyn's map until both of them are at equal zoom, which is 90% in my Microsoft Digital Image Viewer. Then I line them up by moving Leighwyn's map until a zone point marker on one map matches the same marker on another. Preferably, the zone marker should be off-center so that the ALT+TAB pop-up menu doesn't obscure it. Once the two windows are lined up, I either ALT+TAB between them or (more likely) move my mouse down to the taskbar and click first one then the other in rapid succession. I find that this way I can check the center of the screenshot as well since it doesn't get obscured by the ALT+TAB menu.

The trick is not in greater resolution but in the rapid switch between images. That way, the eye picks up minor differences that aren't usually noticeable. Greater resolutions actually tend to slow down the process a bit since you often have to realign the map to check the same zone twice as it won't fit in the window.

RoadKill97 · Aug 17, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Livingston

Am I missing anything right here?

map1

Yeah, you are. Here you go

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5052/smapfr1.jpg

Well, Shyft was faster, but I found one more spot.

Shyft the Pyro · Aug 17, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by RoadKill97

Well, Shyft was faster, but I found one more spot.

Beat you to it on several of those too

jtchans · Aug 17, 2006, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

Normally I'd send you off to do more work on your own, but it's been kind of quiet lately. Here's what you're missing on Shing Jea:

-west wall of Kinya Province;
-center, west wall and SW corner of Sunqua Vale;
-SW corner of Shing Jea Monastery outpost;
-east wall of Panjiang Peninsula;
-the mountain spot west of Tsumei Village;
-north wall of Jaya Bluffs;
-east wall of Haiju Lagoon;
-north wall and SW corner of Zen Daijun explorable.

Let me know if you want me to look over the rest or you'd rather give it a shot on your own

Thanks to your help I passed 97%. I think I now have all of shing jea island.

If you have the time to help me with the rest, that would be very helpful to me.

Livingston · Aug 17, 2006, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by RoadKill97

Yeah, you are. Here you go

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5052/smapfr1.jpg

Well, Shyft was faster, but I found one more spot.

Arrg. I can't see any difference between my map and the %100 one in any of those areas except for the mountain one. The mountain one is pretty bad as I have check it like 100 times. But the others I can't see even when I know what I'm looking for.

I think I am going to recheck the map to make sure I'm not using an older one or something.

Livingston

Edit: You guys are using Leighwyn's map from page 2 right?

Also I am switching back and forth by putting the game in windows mode, as that's the way Leighwyn described that he does it. Could this be why I can't see it?

Edit 2: SE corner of UC gave me 99.9%

I'm so close, and I know the other locations will push it over.

Livingston · Aug 17, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

Well the west wall of Pongmei Valley is rather minor, but I did notice you could uncover more along the west wall of Mount Quinkai and in the NW corner of Arborstone explorable. The Mount Quinkai spot is close to the Luxon Aspenwood Gate, so it's another easy bit for you to check

Do you mean the east wall of Mount Quinkai where roadkill circled? The aspenwood gate is also east of it, so I would guess that is what you are pointing to, or have I missed a spot on the west as well?

Livingston

Shyft the Pyro · Aug 17, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by jtchans

Thanks to your help I passed 97%. I think I now have all of shing jea island.

If you have the time to help me with the rest, that would be very helpful to me.

You're still missing:

-NW and NE corners of Bejunkan Pier;
-north wall of Bukdek Byway;
-NE corner of Raisu Palace explorable;
-south wall of Shadow's Passage;
-south wall of Dragon's Throat outpost (uncover from outside the outpost);
-east and south walls of Vizunah Square mission;
-north and south walls and SE corner of Undercity;
-NW corner and east wall of Shenzun Tunnels;
-NE corner of Imperial Sanctum mission (banishment path);
-east wall, NW corner and NE corner of Tahnnakai Temple explorable;
-SW corner of Zin Ku Corridor outpost;
-SW corner and south wall of Nahpui Quarter explorable;
-the farmland spot east of Maatu Keep;
-north wall of Boreas Seabed outpost;
-west and south walls of Pongmei Valley;
-NW, NE and SW corners of Arborstone explorable;
-north and east walls of Ferndale;
-west wall of Kurzick Fort Aspenwood outpost;
-NE corner of Fort Aspenwood battle area;
-SE corner of Sunjiang District explorable;
-west wall and NE corner of Jade Quarry battle area;
-east and south walls of Melandru's Hope;
-west wall and NW corner of Drazach Thicket;
-center and south wall of Eternal Grove explorable;
-SW corner of Amatz Basin outpost;
-south wall, SE corner and NE corner of Mourning Veil Falls;
-north wall of Morostav Trail;
-NW corner and south wall of Unwaking Waters explorable;
-north wall of Boreas Seabed explorable;
-center, SE corner and SW corner of Maishang Hills;
-SE corner of Archipelagos;
-NE corner of Gyala Hatchery explorable;
-north wall of Rhea's Crater;
-east wall of Rhea's Crater (SW of Aurios Mines);
-NW corner of Luxon Unwaking Waters outpost;
-NW and SE corners of Silent Surf.

Livingston · Aug 17, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by RoadKill97

Yeah, you are. Here you go

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5052/smapfr1.jpg

Well, Shyft was faster, but I found one more spot.

How do you get to the most northern spot you marked? The one near the local square. Is it through Shenzu Tunnels?

Livingston

Shyft the Pyro · Aug 17, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by Livingston

Do you mean the east wall of Mount Quinkai where roadkill circled?

Yes, that's the spot. In fact, all the spots I mentioned are circled in that screenshot except for the west wall of Pongmei Valley (the part I saw the difference in was the NW corner).

Actually, the Nahpui Quarter spot I was mentioning also included the north tip of the "fog protrusion," which is why my directions include checking south of the spot where the ranger boss spawns.

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Originally Posted by Livingston

How do you get to the most northern spot you marked? The one near the local square. Is it through Shenzu Tunnels?

That's the NW corner of Shenzun Tunnels. Head west along the north wall of Shenzun Tunnels out of Tahnnakai Temple and you'll only have to deal with (or run away from) one mob of Am Fah. The rest of the area is "friendly" (guards, peasants, collectors).

Livingston · Aug 17, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

That's the NW corner of Shenzun Tunnels. Head west along the north wall of Shenzun Tunnels out of Tahnnakai Temple and you'll only have to deal with (or run away from) one mob of Am Fah. The rest of the area is "friendly" (guards, peasants, collectors).

I hugged the wall like hell all along the north wall, and it didn't give me anything. Are you sure you don't have to go through the skyway to get it maybe?

Livingston

Shyft the Pyro · Aug 17, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Livingston

I hugged the wall like hell all along the north wall, and it didn't give me anything. Are you sure you don't have to go through the skyway to get it maybe?

That spot's pretty far east of the zone point to be accessible from anywhere else, but you might want to try the east wall of Undercity, just south of the Local Quarter of Vizunah Square, in the corner by Dwayna's shrine. Some people have reported uncovering things that show up as NW Shenzun Tunnels from there, but you may already have cleared those. Can't relate because I already had the spot they were referring to cleared when I started comparing.

Livingston · Aug 17, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

That spot's pretty far east of the zone point to be accessible from anywhere else, but you might want to try the east wall of Undercity, just south of the Local Quarter of Vizunah Square, in the corner by Dwayna's shrine. Some people have reported uncovering things that show up as NW Shenzun Tunnels from there, but you may already have cleared those. Can't relate because I already had the spot they were referring to cleared when I started comparing.

OK, I've now tried north of Shenzun, east of Skyway, and east of Undercity near local quarter entrance. I haven't seen any difference and I have zoomed in and out as far as possible and have seen no difference here between my map and the %100.

Here is that spot again in case I've got it now and I just didn't notice a change.

If you think it is still there, could you please please take a zoomed in shot of it clear and post it side by side with my shot to show where the difference is, because I am not seeing it...

Livingston

Edit: Forgot to include the screenshot of the area: Northbastardspot

Answer to post below: Yeah I'm going for the arborstone one now, it's really annoying that you can only reach it from the south end. The thing is even when I get %100 I'll still want to clear everything I can which would include that spot.

Shyft the Pyro · Aug 17, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by Livingston

OK, I've now tried north of Shenzun, east of Skyway, and east of Undercity near local quarter entrance. I haven't seen any difference and I have zoomed in and out as far as possible and have seen no difference here between my map and the %100.

Here is that spot again in case I've got it now and I just didn't notice a change.

If you think it is still there, could you please please take a zoomed in shot of it clear and post it side by side with my shot to show where the difference is, because I am not seeing it...

If it's this much trouble it's not worth it. Check on the other spots you're missing and you'll surely pick up that last 0.1% with less effort.

RoadKill97 · Aug 17, 2006, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Livingston

Edit: You guys are using Leighwyn's map from page 2 right?

I'm using my own in-game map, because it's more perfect than Leighwyn's.

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Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro

In fact, all the spots I mentioned are circled in that screenshot except for the west wall of Pongmei Valley (the part I saw the difference in was the NW corner).

I didn't see any difference there when I was comparing Livingston's map to mine, but when I compared to Leighwyn's map I noticed the difference. It seems to me that Leighwyn is missing a piece there, not Livingston.

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Originally Posted by Livingston

Here is that spot again in case I've got it now and I just didn't notice a change.

If you think it is still there, could you please please take a zoomed in shot of it clear and post it side by side with my shot to show where the difference is, because I am not seeing it...

Edit: Forgot to include the screenshot of the area: Northbastardspot

You got that one cleared. Congrats.