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Old Jul 21, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14   #41
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I love the new skills, but most of them are too good to be true

Grapple + steady stance or balanced stance anyone

Otyugh's Cry + Feral Aggression and youve an unblockable dmg dealing war ranging around

While I'd hate to sound negative, but given Anets history its likely that the best skills there will never hit the skill bar as they now stand.

Still at least we can all dream of the fun combos that may never come to pass ......
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 01:17 AM // 01:17   #42
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3. Question about Cranked Armor: You CAN'T crank the armor of a caster (60 armor) player? You CAN'T crank the armor of a low level (less than 60 armor) monster?
Lol, it's cracked armor, not "cranked."
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30   #43
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Grapple + "I meant to do that" sounds like a chain
Feral Aggression sounds good for making a dire pet (i don't play ranger so if thats wrong just /slap lol)

Cracked armor sounds terrible (i play warrior) and seems a way of taking the warriors advantage over (Anets favorites) the dervish (In PvE i don't care about your PvP D/E builds i mean for all round good pressure builds)

Also is it just me or do those skills invole alot of knockdown and self sacrafice?
Grapple and the ele winter one for exaple both affect you as much as the foe

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Old Jul 21, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40   #44
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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Pious_Fury
Scale duration at 0 mystic to 1 or 2 secs. Otherwise you'll see all sins use this skill.
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42   #45
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Scale duration at 0 mystic to 1 or 2 secs. Otherwise you'll see all sins use this skill.
Just use Critical Agility instead, it's much better .
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44   #46
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Wait, are these PvP skills too? Some of them just seem way better than anything that is out now, unless most of these are going to be Elite skills? I know some of the monk hex cure spells are really nice, but could be they are just finally giving monks a means to remove hexes (besides deny hexes which is the best atm).
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 01:46 AM // 01:46   #47
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Atrophy - Hex Spell. For 3...6...7 seconds, target foe's primary attribute is reduced to 0.

This really needs to be placed under Mesmer - Domination line.

From the looks of it this really messes with a lot of classes real good.

Ele - your max energy pool gets reduced
Necro - can't gain energy from deaths
Warrior - not a big deal
Assassin - ability to gain energy is hindered
Ranger - shutdown, high cost skills and no expertise is doom, touch rangers?
Monks - no healing bonus
Paragons - can't gain energy from shouts/chants
Ritualits - no big deal except for spirit strength type builds
Mesmers - no big deal
Dervishes - avatars, ability to self heal, and energy
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49   #48
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Wait, are these PvP skills too? Some of them just seem way better than anything that is out now, unless most of these are going to be Elite skills? I know some of the monk hex cure spells are really nice, but could be they are just finally giving monks a means to remove hexes (besides deny hexes which is the best atm).
All are PvE/PvP, all are non-Elite.
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59   #49
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Scale duration at 0 mystic to 1 or 2 secs. Otherwise you'll see all sins use this skill.
They already have tiger stance, which also last 4 seconds at 0, this is fine.
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 02:02 AM // 02:02   #50
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They already have tiger stance, which also last 4 seconds at 0, this is fine.
Um tiger has 20 secs recharge and it ends when you miss, so I don't think it is fine. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Spear_Swipe this skill should be for spear only (the description says attack skill and it is under leadership).

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Old Jul 21, 2007, 02:22 AM // 02:22   #51
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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Spear_Swipe

I can't help but think 300 has something to do with this.....

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Smiter%27s_Boon

I was thinking of making a Boon smiter now I'm getting my PvE monk this skill for sure. Maybe it'll work in PvP.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feral_Aggression

"Tee hee, a spider he thinks he can deal damage to me ha ha ha....aaahhh...Owww....eeee..Ouch GET IT OFF AAA GET IT OFF!"

This actually might make pets useful in PvP, maybe...

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Companionship

It would be nice if it Resed your pet but this looks good because it's a non-elite Heal as One

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Volley

You know what screw that I'm using Heal as one and this!

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Waste_Not%2C_Want_Not

God knows any monk who wants a energy management skill will want this. Heck, they even have a monk in the icon!
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25   #52
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could i ask a lil favor and get a copy/paste? at work and the official site is blocked. thx.
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35   #53
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some classes got great stuff, I can enjoy using aneurism with energy burn. Cacophony seems like it should really be a mesmer skill, considering its another form of Backfire and Empathy, but its not the first time necros get skills that should be mesmers (Spiteful Spirit)

Rapid Fire will be fun.

glyph of swiftness will be fun for dodgeballers

cracked armor makes sense. Casters wear cloth, try cracking that. I wonder how it works in with the armor cap. Looks like someone on the dev team doesnt like armor.

runners will be liking signet of mystic speed. looks like it might be useful, unless theres a speed cap I don't know about.

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Old Jul 21, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38   #54
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WARRIOR
  • Pulverizing Smash
    Overpowered version of crushing blow
  • Keen Chop
    Underpowered
  • Knee Cutter
    Probably abusable as an infinite energy engine.
    Looks fun though... at least until it's nerfed.
  • Disarm
    Considering Wail of Doom is elite, this seems overpowered. At least sword is getting some long-overdue love.
  • Grapple
    If not for "I Meant to Do That" this skill would never see play except for in "annoyance" builds. The combination of the two scares me a little.
  • "I Meant to Do That!"
    Overpowered. Makes for an infinite adrenaline engine in two non-elite skills.
  • Distracting Strike
    Seems a bit weak without any warrior skills that cause cracked armor.
  • Symbolic Strike
    • If you could find a way to build your adrenaline through signets, this skill could be wickedly powerful in gimmick builds. Otherwise it's kinda meh. (What warrior carries more than 1 signet right now?)
    • The written max of 70 is superfluous. You've got 8 skill slots; the bonus is 10 per signet; this skill is not a signet itself...
  • Soldier's Speed
    Brutal for PvP; probably not worth a skillslot in PvE, except maybe running builds.
  • Body Blow
    Looks like junk. Crap damage linked to a crap attribute plus a conditional deep wound tied to a condition warriors can't cause, and all for a really steep adrenaline cost. Count me out.

RANGER
  • Rapid Fire
    Rangers finally get a speed boost -- cool! But... it's a preparation... So I have to give up using any other preparation, and give up barrage (PvE), and give up volley. Heck, I'd rather use Never Rampage Alone...
  • Sloth Hunter's Shot
    • Who the heck names these things?
    • Seems like an awfully hard condition to meet. Perhaps if it had interrupt-like activation time so you could reliably follow up interrupts or knockdowns it might be quite good. As is, I'm not so sure about it.
  • Piercing Trap
    • The raw damage alone makes it a decent trap.
    • The lack of any ranger skills that cause cracked armor make me question the usefulness of the bonus effect, though.
  • Companionship
    GAH!!! When are the devs going to figure out that, when we already need to take charm and comfort just to bring a pet, we are never going to dedicate yet another skill slot to pet healing. Ever. There just isn't enough room in the skillbar. Give it a weak pet rez effect so that it can be used as a replacement for comfort, or it just won't see any play at all.
  • Feral Aggression
    Best new ranger skill so far. This one might make my skillbar sometimes, without being overpowered
  • Disrupting Shot
    Overpowered much? Compare savage shot.
  • Volley
    OK, so it's a mini-barrage. But you still lose your preparations. Maybe it could combo well with elite damage boosts from other classes (ie spirit's strength, illusionary weaponry, etc), otherwise I don't see a lot of point. Maybe so you could use magebane shot and kinda-barrage?
  • Expert Focus
    Not so great. Not really enough damage to beat out the other preps. Rangers don't really need a lot of e-management. Incompatible with barrage and volley anyway.
  • Body Shot
    Also not so great. The damage is so-so. The condition is hard to meet as a ranger (no skills that do it). And rangers don't really need the energy anyway.
  • Poison Tip Signet
    One poison arrow every 11 sec? Seems... underwhelming. OK, so it's not elite, or a prep, or a pet skill, or a trap... but... one poison arrow every 11 sec?

That's two professions down. I'll get the other's as I have time.
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41   #55
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Ok i guess your right.
Expose defenses is just always on the target anyways and in that 4 seconds you don't have that many chances to fail, thats why i missed it
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43   #56
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Oh wait, you think everything has to be for PvP and I guess no one there ever uses shouts or chants plus that PvE'ers should only use the PvE only skills.

Go compare those two skills. One stops, the other does damage when it occurs. Yep preventing an action and dealing damage are the same purpose...
The skill has use in PvE only. So why is it not a PvE only skill? We are only getting 10 PvP-usable skills per profession for 40 bucks... so why are some of them only useful at all in any way in PvE (for hardcore PvE players who enjoy doing the same mission 20 times to see how many enemies have shouts, even) when there are going to be skills exclusive to PvE?

The fact is, in most PvP, you are not going to waste your skill slot on the off-chance that someone on the enemy team relies on shouts and chants and doesn't have decent hex removal options...

And yes, it is the same purpose. When you take 100+ damage for using a shout, how many shouts are you going to use (granted, if you don't completely suck at the game). The purpose is to stop you from using them, one does it directly, one punishes you for using them... both have the same purpose of limiting shouts. The only difference is that this new skill allows the enemy to use vital shouts and chants in a pinch while the other one just forbids it. Necromancers have 4 anti-paragon skills now... why is one with a slightly different effect with the same outcome necessary?

When your Guild Wars experience rises above "farming uber areas for phat lewt", then try coming here and talking about what's good and what isn't.
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43   #57
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Ooo, these skills make me excited!

Already got great ideas... Some skills look like incredible additions to certain builds, and still others give whole new ideas for builds! I must give Anet props for the creativity and variety in the upcoming skills.

I'll save my critique till i actually get to use them, because at this point anything can change and anything can happen!

cheers!
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 02:46 AM // 02:46   #58
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All these are opinions. I don't intend to give an authoritative view but more of a general overlook.

WARRIOR
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Pulverizing Smash --> Deep wound on 4 adrenaline is kind of cheap. If you take into account hammer speed under IAS you might want 5 or 6 minimum adrenaline. Then again the target needs to be knocked down which more or less hinges on an elite knockdown or an energy based one. The non-elite knockdowns from the hammer line make you lose all adrenaline. Maybe give it a small recharge like 4 or 5 seconds. Crushing blow, the only deep wound in the hammer line is 10 recharge.

Keen Chop --> axe base damage is decent but not in PvE against monsters where the + damage which is armor ignoring is more or less most of your damage. That basically means it is a PvP skill (if hammer damage ever becomes a reason to use this skill). Too bad axes have less damage than Scythes on critical.

Knee Cutter --> adrenaline and energy on a crippled foe is fine but you need a crippling skill to pull it off. Sword doesn't have cripple outside of Crippling Slash and Hamstring (horribly energy intensive) so you're going to end up using things like Harrier's Grasp.

Disarm --> looks solid. I bet it will make swordsmanship skills more tactically useful than ripostes which rely on tanking. Should probably interrupt non-spell skills too though given the 12 cool-down.

Grapple --> a non-elite knockdown that has a decent constraint!

"I Meant to Do That!" --> very niche to the point of Steady Stance warriors. Only really combinable with things like Desperation/Drunken Blow and POSSIBLY Forceful Blow. Fleeting Stability and the GW:EN skill "Grapple".

Distracting Strike --> really condition dependent (a condition that the warrior himself cannot inflict as well). Maybe have a 10 second base disable time. Compared with Disrupting Stab, Disrupting Lunge, Distracting Shot, Disrupting Chop under IAS, and other skills it isn't that great.

Symbolic Strike --> I doubt any warrior is going to carry more than 3 signets but you get +30 if you bring Res sig, Heal Sig, and one other sig (Signet of Removal maybe?) for 4 adrenaline is pretty insane. Compare it to Cleave, 2 signets will net you +20, 3 signets get you a executioner's strike level of armor-ignoring + damage.

Soldier's Speed --> relies on shouts/chants meaning you have to be sure they are up. A lot of micro when it easier to just forsake the duration and 8% speed boost over sprint.

Body Blow --> niche and condition dependent. It relies on you knowing your teammates will bring cracked armor skills since the warrior himself doesn't have cracked armor inflicting skills. Is the + damage worth the risk (at 7 adrenaline) when dismember is 5 adrenaline? Maybe on sword, but not on axe or hammer which have less condition reliant deep wound.

RANGER
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Rapid Fire --> 33% faster IAS prep means you will need stuff like conjures. IIRC people were complaining about how preps don't do enough DPS. Making this a prep means you cannot use stuff like Glass Arrows or Read the Wind. IMO + damage and arrow speed is better than IAS.

Sloth Hunter's Shot --> I really expected this to be extra damage while foe is moving slower than normal (Cripple/water hexed). Guess I was wrong. Not using a skill means that the target isn't spamming, which is usually good. +63 bonus damage on a caster not casting (think mesmers with fast cast times) on a 8 recharge is kind of overkill though.

Piercing Trap --> Cracked armor has a really narrow set of applications. +110ish damage is really overpowered compared to the other traps that do about 50ish (such as the pure damage Flame Trap).

Companionship --> going to need a 1 cast time if it's going to be used once you consider that it is not an unconditional heal.

Feral Aggression --> yay for making beastmasters more powerful. The fact that it is unstrippable and unstoppable (make it a shout/chant?) due to 0 cast time is worrisome, however.

Disrupting Shot --> This is just a worse version of Savage shot in terms of interruption, really. The fact that it +40ish damages on any skill doesn't make it 12 recharge worthy. It does give more options in the form of utility based damage though.

Volley --> wannabe Barrage that hits 4 targets instead of 6. 2 recharge instead of 1. No 1 cast time meaning it needs the bow draback animation, You're going to need a real good non preparation elite to justify using this over barrage.

Expert Focus --> will probably imbalance all the cheaper 5 energy bow attack, given it makes them more efficient than their 10 energy counterparts (provided you give up your preparation for this one)

Body Shot --> if this was an elite it would never see play because of Prepared shot. If cracked armor was applied more easily it would probably be use a lot.

Poison Tip Signet --> no Poison Arrow/Apply Poison usage means this would make an alternative...but I fail to see the 10 second recharge given the application of poison is generally quick and recurring.

MONK
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Cure Hex --> Healing prayers Hex removal? NICE

Smite Condition --> Smiting Prayers needs some more usable skills for this to see use, ESPECIALLY with the 7 cool-down. See Reversal of Damage and Smite Hex for parallel instances of Smiting Prayers being overshadowed support-wise.

Patient Spirit --> Like Watchful Spirit, it is too niche and cumbersome for regular use. Usually when you heal you want to have the bar go up. I presume the healing doesn't have divine favor bonus, only the application of the enchantment. This is extremely dangerous in presence of Shatter Enchantment.

Healing Ribbon --> Heal Other will be used more often because unless your team is balling up as melee (nearby range) it will be inferior in recharge and heal power.

Steadfast Soul --> like the crappy elite Balthazar's Pendulum and the Paragon's "Brace Yourself", it is WAY too niche

Spotless Mind --> too bad hex teams use enchantment removal and so do AI mesmers and necromancers. At max it removes 19.2/5 hexes (20% longer enchantments, 16 Healing Prayers) = 4 or 5 hexes on 12 cool-down. Could work, but only if the first hex is removed when the enchantment is applied.

Spotless Soul --> the recharge is brutal. Needs to remove first condition on application to be useful and fails against preparations.

Smiter's Boon --> might make smiting prayers more viable but smiting needs to have more ally-targeted skills with decent recharges for this to work. I see this being used on a primary dervish more likely than on a monk since it doesn't scale, meaning it is essentially unlinked.

Castigation Signet --> it will likely be used for the energy instead of damage, so it might see use with 8+ smiting prayers given energy management giving 5or so energy every 20 seconds isn't too bad. Too bad it is so cumbersome to use, so Glyph of Lesser Energy will be used more with 10 energy skills.

Purifying Veil --> might work against burning/blind SPAM (not just application which can be removed every few seconds) but against all other conditions that typically last a long amount of time (15+ seconds) it is relatively useless.


NECROMANCER
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Withering Aura --> 3 cool-down means this is insanity. This will be insane with barrage or any form of AoE physical attack. Weakness is a powerful condition when applied on physical attackers for 0 energy (as long as enchantment is up). Having it spammed means that this is slightly overpowered. Perhaps the clause when ally hits a foe using an skill (since the -1 attribute still counts for something). The closest thing is Enfeeble or Enfeebling blood which are 5 cool-down...

Foul Feast --> Bleeding + Poison + Disease are the only self inflicted conditions. Given that 10 cool-down and 80 damage cap, the only kind of play it will see is crazy self-inflicted condition spam and spiking. 2 Vampiric Gazes outshine it in the form of DPS. Shadow Strike outdoes it when the target is over 50% HP. If anything the recharge needs to be lowered and the cpa needs to be upped.

Putrid Bile --> Puts Icy Veils to shame, since it is armor-ignoring and nonelite?

Cacophony --> niche. Only shout users are warriors and paragons, beastmaster rangers don't really count. Essentially the "Visions of Regret" syndrome.

Hexer's Vigor --> sucks on the level of mending.

Masochism --> nice if you use sacc-ing skills that steal HP. Long cool-down means if it gets stripped it rains on your parade.

Defile Defenses --> good for punishing Wards, non-strippable block-age. Nice cool-down. The damage is utterly insane since 5-6 blocks or so at 16 curses means the target is dead (at least in PvP).

Angorodon's Gaze --> don't know what's up with all the sac-skill promoting...the 15 energy cost means it is reliant on mass kills, energy management via glyphs and such, or self-inficted conditions. Needs a longer cool-down once you factor in self-inflicted conditions making it free.

Well of Ruin --> given this is once of the few ways to inflict cracked armor, it ought to have a 10 cool-down. You need a corpse first of all, and you also need to have the melee/physicals hit and the foe has to be in the well.

Atrophy --> overpowered as all hell even with the 7/20 uptime. My elementalist and monk are going to be annoyed. I feel for the ranger too.

MESMER
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Calculated Risk --> 15 energy cost is brutal unless you bring spirit of failure to pair it up. Seems like Blurred Vision with a downside, to be honest.

Shrinking Armor --> YEH that's what I'm talking about. A reliable way to inflict cracked armor! Not enough to make Mesmers wanted in PvE though.

Aneurysm --> interesting. Probably will only be used as a finisher given the massive disadvantage it will give you. My elementalist is going to hate this one when it hits for 150-200ish. Probably needs a cap of 130 damage?

Wandering Eye --> wow, Clumsiness on AoE. (Reminds me of Mistrust too.) Probably needs a recharge time of 10-12 so Mantra of Recovery doesn't make this ridiculous.

Signet of Distraction --> Nobody is running signet builds so this is kind of useless. Even if you run 8 signets it will be 32 seconds disable time. That means you are better off using Power Block or Distracting Shot/Disrupting Chop/etc.

Signet of Recall --> essentially Mantra of Recall with a load of maluses. Probably shouldn't have the lose all energy, but -10 to 15 energy instead.

Power Lock --> Distracting Shot is widely used because it hits all skills. Under Mantra of Recovery this has 6 recharge so it is a strong contender but only on spellcasters.

Waste Not, Want Not --> energy management that is extremely hard to use doesn't see play often. Casting spells and/or attacking is basically all you do, unless you are using non-spell skills or no skills AND not attacking.

Sum of All Fears --> needed to be toned down, but the recharge saves it. The most likely use will be the snare which is cripple-like in duration.

Confusing Images --> like Diversion, but the effect is not profound and anything less than 3/4 second in cast time won't be hit that hard.

ELEMENTALIST
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Winter's Embrace --> except for shadow stepping, this is like suicide for elementalists.

Shell Shock --> My elementalist thanks you for the only viable direct way to inflict Cracked armor besides "Shrinking Armor".

Glyph of Immolation --> cannot pass judgement on this one since it is pretty niche for Searing Flames, Glowing Gaze, or Steam-style synergy.

Earthen Shackles --> given the easiness to inflict burning with Burning Arrow and Incendiary Arrows, this ought to be toned down to be 33% slower instead of 90% (especially if it is non-elite).

Ward of Weariness --> interesting and maybe even overpowered...especially with Lava arrows, Fireball, a 0 recharge spam. Akin to my thoughts on Withering Aura, the Weakness condition is devastating on physicals. The fact that this is a Ward makes it all the more lethal since it cannot be stripped. This combined with PBAoEs such as Searing Flames, Fireball, Earthquake and you get a 20 second weakness every time. Kinda like Enfeebling Blood spam, making it in need of toning down the duration of Weakness or making it specific instances only (like non-spammable skills only...).

Glyph of Swiftness --> the only things I can think of are Lightning Orb, Shard Storm, Ebon Hawk, Phoenix, Stoning, Lightning Bolt. All other skills are pretty spammable making this skill impractical.

Magnetic Surge --> in the lore sense it seems odd that it would rely on an encahntment as opposed to weakness or some other Elementalist condition. THe cast and recharge seem on par with spiking skills though.

Slippery Ground --> with attunements to make this 15 energy skill workable, Gale would still be more reliable.

Glowing Ice --> yay energy gain for water magic! (Air needed some love too though.)

Energy Blast --> broken if it is armor ignoring since it supports degenerate beginning of the game spike tactics when your energy reserves are at their highest. Glyph of Lesser energy, attunements (especially dual attunements), and weapon swaps make this totally ridiculous.

ASSASSIN
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Vampiric Assault --> Makes deadly arts based assassins' survival a bit easier. Essentially an 80ish point heal if you spec up in deadly arts (dual attack).

Lotus Strike --> the energy gain is a bit high for a 12 recharge, especially if you have high dagger mastery making +10 energy.

Golden Fang Strike --> the recharge on this is too low for it, even as an offhand attack. Consider Jagged strike is 1 second recharge. A Jagged followed with this would be 5 recharge. Sever Artery-Gash or Crippling Slash-Gash or Dismember or Eviscerate all need more for the deep wound. Consider that Impale and Twisting Fangs are essentially used for the deep wound only.

Falling Lotus Strike --> up to +7 energy in Horns of the Ox/Trampling Ox and knockdown chains (Iron Palm,Grapple) ... 12 recharge saves it from being ridiculous.

Shadow Fang --> probably will be cumbersome to use. I don't see why so many skills are giving Deep Wound to the assassin either. I'm guessing the 45 recharge is because of the shadow step.

Sadist's Signet --> ooh a DEADLY ARTS heal. It ought to have a base like the Leaders' Comfort heal so it isn't all that useless if condition removal is used right before you cast it.

Trampling Ox --> given this is a dual attack, it isn't too unreasonable. Maybe with Harrier's Grasp it will be a bit strong (especially versus kiting) but nothing ridiculous.

Smoke Powder --> the duration versus cool-down is extremely low, making it unlikely to see play. The fact that it is a stance doesn't help.

Signet of Deadly Corruption --> if you use a condition chain then you can eek out the damage. You need 3 conditions to get the 130 damage cap provided you have the spec for 35 damage per condition. Signet of Toxic Shock will probably see play more since you don't need daggers for poison and it is easily applied.

Way of the Warrior --> uh, Assassin is not a warrior. Outside of this fundamental lore confusion, it promotes not using daggers...which usually means about half the assassin skills (i.e. ones relying on dual attacks and daggers only) are made unusable. A/R, A/P, A/W, A/D are the only combos which can critical. I doubt you want to critical with a staff or wand.

RITUALIST
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Energetic Was Lee Sa --> +2 energy regen --> 2/3 energy per second. If you hold it for 15 seconds that is 10 energy and another 10 from the ending drop bonus. Realistically you will drop it beforehand so it is decent if you spec in it. Kind of like non-elite Mantra of Recall.

Pure Was Li Ming --> This is nice when removing condition stacks that tend not to have more than 2 or 3 conditions on top, but the recharge is insane considering that deadly conditions tend to have roughly 15-20 second recharge. Daze and Blind are both <30 seconds recharge.

Weapon of Aggression --> WHY "YOU"? Making it target ally would open up a whole new realm of buffing for the ritualist! The fact that it is a weapon spell prevents it from being overpowered since it cannot stack. If anything we will see a lot more A/Rt and R/Rt since A/ and R/ don't have IAS in PVP outside of Tiger's Fury and its duplicate.

Sundering Weapon --> Cracked armor is the only perk. 10% armor penetration (on one attack!) will be crap-tastic. I dislike it being a weapon spell since it means Mesmer and elementalist options for cracked armor are more direct and too the point instead of having to beat around the bush by relying on an ally hitting. Also doesn't make sense in the communing line.

Weapon of Renewal --> feels more paragon-like than Ritualist-like in terms of Lore.

Mending Grip --> Recharge seems high. I guess the fact that it has easy-to-satisfy-conditional removal of conditions might be the reason but take into account monk condition removal is unconditional. Mend Body and Soul's widespread use is because it does a hefty heal even when there is no condition removal needed. The 75 heal from this every 6 seconds isn't enough to make it decent.

Spiritleech Aura --> given the recharge on spirits, this will likely not see use. You usually want to be able to control when your spirits die.

Rejuvenation --> 10 HP / sec is 5 regen. Why anyone would use this is pretty much beyond me. It does overshadow Rejuvenation energy-wise when there are no pets or minions.

Agony --> damage is pretty pitiful but it is armor ignoring. If there are many things in earshot, this spirit will die way too fast to be of use.

Ghostly Weapon --> Useful effect but unless there is a crucial attack to be made, it will require much micro-managament. Perhaps the recharge ought to be upped and the effect should be next couple of attacks akin to Nightmare weapon and splinter weapon.

PARAGON
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Anthem of Weariness --> with all the weakness skills from GW:EN, I'd think that this is underpowered. Compare this to Enfeebling Blood and Withering Aura. Enfeebling Blood is better for clumps of mobs, Withering Aura is better with applications on called targets and is just crazy with Barrage. This however just spreads weakness once.

Chest Thumper --> like the warrior, given Paragons don't have their own means of Cracked armor infliction I don't see this being used unless the team arranges beforehand to have this used.

Anthem of Disruption --> the potential for abuse is immense (Ranger spike?). Don't know how this will be in practice however.

Hasty Refrain --> PvPers will probably see this as a flag-running skill. I cannot see the other uses given the amount of maintenance required.

Nonsensical Spear --> Cripple shouldn't be this easy to apply, especially if this skill isn't elite. Compare this to Crippling slash, Pin Down and the 5 recharge is ridiculous since Bleeding is so easy to meet.

Inspirational Speech --> niche. The 20 second recharge leaves a lot to be wanted, especially with the lose all adrenaline cost.

Burning Shield --> like Shield Bash, this is extremely hard to use yet devastating against assassin attack skill chains.

Holy Spear --> good for killing bunched minions and spirits, other than that...base damage is decent for 4 adrenaline

Spear Swipe --> if GW:EN is indeed the last GW1 product, then this totally is out-the-window with Lore. No other skill is melee for spears. Unconditional daze is usually elite or extremely conditional, and the melee range doesn't seem a strong enough restriction for it if it is non-elite. (Consider Paragon adrenaline based tanks which use an Axe, meaning you can just switch out the axe to attack with this skill: needs to be spearmastery.)

Spear of Redemption --> Signet of Removal is more consistent. Whether this is reasonably combo-able with Wearying Spear will be the make it or break it deciding factor.

DERVISH
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Radiant Scythe --> sees potential for E/D abuse. Good thing the cap is scaling! I bet +5 energy swap scythes will be more prized if this makes it into the skill lists of Dervishes. The scale should be bumped down to 40ish most likely, considering the + damage on an elite like Reaper's Sweep doesn't hit that high.

Aura Slicer --> like the warrior, given Dervishes don't have their own means of Cracked armor infliction I don't see this being used unless the team arranges beforehand to have this used. Its 10 recharge and average to mediocre damage means any other time than when hitting a cracked armor target the skill is horrid.

Zealous Sweep --> up to +4 energy every 10 seconds (9 energy - 5 cost) is okay and the damage is respectable

Grenth's Aura --> if this removed more than 1 enchantment, then Chilblains is made pointless. I think the recharge seems reasonable.

Signet of Pious Restraint --> come on... the requirement is incredibly easy to meet on a Dervish. The cripple should probably last half as long...

Farmer's Scythe --> PvE wise this will be ridiculous for attack skill spam in mob clumps. PvP wise it is essentially useless. The skill name fits it extraordinarily well.

Pious Fury --> seems usable but I think it will be overshadowed by Heart of Fury which doesn't rely on stances. It might replace Whirling Charge as an IAS when Heart of Fury is on downtime/cooldown.

Crippling Victory --> the wording should probably have the "If you have more Health than target foe" bit after the unconditional damage so that it has a more standardized description.

Signet of Mystic Speed --> runners rejoice. Pairs well with IAS enchantment Heart of Fury. The fact that it is un-strippable (even thought he enchantments can be stripped) makes me a bit anxious though.

Shield of Force --> seems more assassin-like than Dervish-like. Other than that it is pretty generic

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Cacophony: This just owned Vision of regret -_-. Although I could combine them...

Aneurysm: ahahaha my e-denial mesmer shall have his day once again >.(watch out eles)

Signet of Recall: I think this is for encouraging signet use...I could see this in my skill bar.

Ranger skills: Yay for pets

Sundering Weapon: that skill....scary

Holy spear : woot take that minion masters.

Symbolic Strike: This might make me use a melee mesmer.
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