/**
* vBulletin 3.8.7 CSS
* Style: 'Guild Wars Guru V3B'; Style ID: 13
*/
body
{
background: #AB9C7F;
color: #000000;
font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
}
a:link, body_alink
{
color: #750000;
}
a:visited, body_avisited
{
color: #750000;
}
a:hover, a:active, body_ahover
{
color: #BD6F01;
}
.page
{
color: #000000;
}
td, th, p, li
{
font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.tborder
{
background: #9E8C70;
color: #000000;
border: 1px solid #000000;
}
.tcat
{
background: #AC9D86 url(../Img/forumT2_catbg.gif) repeat-x top left;
color: #3C3326;
font: bold 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.tcat a:link, .tcat_alink
{
color: #3C3326;
text-decoration: none;
}
.tcat a:visited, .tcat_avisited
{
color: #3C3326;
text-decoration: none;
}
.tcat a:hover, .tcat a:active, .tcat_ahover
{
color: #000000;
text-decoration: underline;
}
.thead
{
background: #423A2F url(../Img/forumT2_headbg.gif) repeat-x top left;
color: #D8B98D;
font: bold 11px tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.thead a:link, .thead_alink
{
color: #D8B98D;
}
.thead a:visited, .thead_avisited
{
color: #D8B98D;
}
.thead a:hover, .thead a:active, .thead_ahover
{
color: #BD6F01;
}
.tfoot
{
background: #AC9D86 url(../Img/forumT2_catbg.gif) repeat-x top left;
color: #400F0B;
}
.tfoot a:link, .tfoot_alink
{
color: #400F0B;
}
.tfoot a:visited, .tfoot_avisited
{
color: #400F0B;
}
.tfoot a:hover, .tfoot a:active, .tfoot_ahover
{
color: #000000;
}
.alt1, .alt1Active
{
background: #DFD5BF;
color: #750000;
color: #000;
}
.alt2, .alt2Active
{
background: #FBF8ED;
color: #000000;
background: #cbc1ab;
}
.inlinemod
{
background: #FFFFCC;
color: #000000;
}
.wysiwyg
{
background: #F5F5FF;
color: #000000;
font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
margin: 5px 10px 10px 10px;
padding: 0px;
}
.wysiwyg a:link, .wysiwyg_alink
{
color: #22229C;
}
.wysiwyg a:visited, .wysiwyg_avisited
{
color: #22229C;
}
.wysiwyg a:hover, .wysiwyg a:active, .wysiwyg_ahover
{
color: #FF4400;
}
textarea, .bginput
{
font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.bginput option, .bginput optgroup
{
font-size: 10pt;
font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.button
{
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
select
{
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
option, optgroup
{
font-size: 11px;
font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.smallfont
{
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.time
{
color: #6E480D;
}
.navbar
{
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.highlight
{
color: #FF0000;
font-weight: bold;
}
.fjsel
{
background: #A79983;
color: #000000;
}
.fjdpth0
{
background: #A79983;
color: #000000;
}
.panel
{
background: #DFD5BF;
color: #000000;
padding: 10px;
border: 2px outset;
}
.panelsurround
{
background: #888272;
color: #000000;
}
legend
{
color: #000000;
font: 11px tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.vbmenu_control
{
background: #591E1E url(../Img/forumT2_menubg.gif) repeat-x bottom left;
color: #DFBF82;
font: bold 11px tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
padding: 3px 6px 3px 6px;
white-space: nowrap;
}
.vbmenu_control a:link, .vbmenu_control_alink
{
color: #DFBF82;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_control a:visited, .vbmenu_control_avisited
{
color: #DFBF82;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_control a:hover, .vbmenu_control a:active, .vbmenu_control_ahover
{
color: #DFBF82;
text-decoration: underline;
}
.vbmenu_popup
{
background: #FFFFFF;
color: #000000;
border: 1px solid #000000;
}
.vbmenu_option
{
background: #CFBA99;
color: 3B3323;
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
white-space: nowrap;
cursor: pointer;
}
.vbmenu_option a:link, .vbmenu_option_alink
{
color: 3B3323;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_option a:visited, .vbmenu_option_avisited
{
color: 3B3323;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_option a:hover, .vbmenu_option a:active, .vbmenu_option_ahover
{
color: #000000;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_hilite
{
background: #BCA786;
color: #3B3323;
font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
white-space: nowrap;
cursor: pointer;
}
.vbmenu_hilite a:link, .vbmenu_hilite_alink
{
color: #3B3323;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_hilite a:visited, .vbmenu_hilite_avisited
{
color: #3B3323;
text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_hilite a:hover, .vbmenu_hilite a:active, .vbmenu_hilite_ahover
{
color: #3B3323;
text-decoration: none;
}
/* ***** styling for 'big' usernames on postbit etc. ***** */
.bigusername { font-size: 14pt; }
/* ***** small padding on 'thead' elements ***** */
td.thead, th.thead, div.thead { padding: 4px; }
/* ***** basic styles for multi-page nav elements */
.pagenav a { text-decoration: none; }
.pagenav td { padding: 2px 4px 2px 4px; }
/* ***** de-emphasized text */
.shade, a.shade:link, a.shade:visited { color: #777777; text-decoration: none; }
a.shade:active, a.shade:hover { color: #FF4400; text-decoration: underline; }
.tcat .shade, .thead .shade, .tfoot .shade { color: #DDDDDD; }
/* ***** define margin and font-size for elements inside panels ***** */
.fieldset { margin-bottom: 6px; }
.fieldset, .fieldset td, .fieldset p, .fieldset li { font-size: 11px; }
#toplinks{
font-family:Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
color: #C1AE8B;
margin-top:0px;
font-weight: bold;
}
#toplinks a{font-family:Tahoma,Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;color: #8C7554;text-decoration: none;font-weight: bold;}
#toplinks a:hover{font-family:Tahoma,Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;color:#BD6F01;text-decoration: underline;font-weight: bold;}
.topwrap {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_topbg.gif);
background-repeat: repeat-x;
height: 27px;
}
.headerwrap {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_headerbg.gif);
background-repeat: repeat-x;
height: 183px;
}
.mmoguru {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_mmoguru.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 27px;
width: 112px;
}
.logowrap {
background-image: url(../Img/GuildWarsGuru_logo.jpg);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 183px;
width: 233px;
}
.headerR {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_headerR.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 183px;
width: 14px;
}
.topFORMarea {
width: 219px;
margin: 0px;
padding: 0px;
}
.topwrap .topFORMarea form {
padding: 0px;
margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 0px;
margin-bottom: 0px;
margin-left: 7px;
}
.topwrap .topFORMarea select {
background-color: #CCCCCC;
width: 200px;
}
.topdivider {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_topdivider.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 27px;
width: 2px;
}
.footerwrap {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_footerbg.gif);
background-repeat: repeat-x;
height: 100px;
}
.footerL {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_footerL.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 100px;
width: 14px;
}
.footerR {
background-image: url(../Img/forumT2_footerR.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 100px;
width: 14px;
}
.headerADSarea {
height: 139px;
}
.tabArea {
height: 44px;
}
.navHome {
height: 44px;
width: 62px;
}
.navForums {
height: 44px;
width: 73px;
}
.navSkills {
height: 44px;
width: 61px;
}
.navCreatures {
height: 44px;
width: 87px;
}
.navAreas {
height: 44px;
width: 64px;
}
.navAuctions {
height: 44px;
width: 80px;
}
.footertext {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
color: #FFF;
padding:5px;
}
#guru_list{position:absolute;top:2px;right:105px;margin-right:100px;z-index:100000}
#mmodb_list{position:absolute;top:2px;right:15px;margin-right:10px;z-index:100000}
#guru_list_a, #mmodb_list_a {color:#000000;font-weight:bold;background:transparent url(../Img/forum-) no-repeat;
width:153px;height:19px;line-height:19px;font-size:11px;font-weight:bold;display:block;text-align:center;
text-decoration:none;}
#guru_navitems, #mmodb_navitems {
background:#ab9c7f;
border:1px solid #353841;
position: absolute;
padding-top:20px;
width: 147px;
padding:0 2px;margin:0;
display:none;
left:0;
list-style:none;
z-index:100000;
}
#guru_navitems li, #mmodb_navitems li {margin-bottom:2px;}
#guru_navitems li a, #mmodb_navitems li a {color:#000000;margin-bottom:2px;}
/************************************************************************/
.t-footer {
clear:both;
position:relative;
height:635px;
}
.t-footer {
font:12px/1.5 Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
background-color:#151515;
height:635px;
text-shadow:0 -1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.6);
position:relative;
border-top:30px solid #262626;
}
.t-footer ul, .t-footer li, .t-footer h4 {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
list-style: none inside none;
}
.t-footer a {
text-decoration: none;
}
.t-footer:before,.t-footer:after {
content:"";
display:table;
}
.t-footer:after {
clear:both;
}
.ie8 .t-footer {
zoom:1;
}
.t-footer a {
color:white;
font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
white-space:nowrap;
}
.t-footer a:visited {
color:white;
}
.t-footer a:hover {
color:white;
text-decoration:none;
}
.t-footer a>strong {
color:#ff5f14;
}
.t-footer a>strong:hover {
color:white;
}
.t-footer h1,.t-footer h2,.t-footer h3,.t-footer h4,.t-footer h5,.t-footer h6 {
color:white;
font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
letter-spacing:0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-wrapper {
width:1000px;
margin:0 auto;
padding:40px 0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-wrapper:before,.t-footer .t-footer-wrapper:after {
content:"";
display:table;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-wrapper:after {
clear:both;
}
.ie8 .t-footer .t-footer-wrapper {
zoom:1;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo {
float:left;
width:31.96667%;
margin-left:2.05%;
margin-left:0;
position:relative;
z-index:2;
border-right:1px solid #333;
}
.ie7 .t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo {
width:30.96667%;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo hgroup {
margin-bottom:15px;
margin-right:15px;
margin-top:-40px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo hgroup h1 {
background-image:url(../Img/curse-logo.png);
margin-bottom:15px;
width:225px;
height:93px;
text-indent:-99999px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo hgroup h2 {
font-size:12px;
font-weight:normal;
color:white;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo hgroup>strong {
font-weight:bold;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-signUp {
background:#262626;
-webkit-border-radius:8px;
-moz-border-radius:8px;
-ms-border-radius:8px;
-o-border-radius:8px;
border-radius:8px;
padding:15px;
margin:0 15px 30px 0;
text-align:center;
}
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font-size:20px;
font-weight:bold;
color:white;
line-height:1.2em;
text-shadow:0 1px 1px #000;
}
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margin-bottom:10px;
font-weight:normal;
color:#e6e6e6;
}
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background-color:#EA8F20;
background-image:0;
background-image:0;
background-image:0;
background-image:0;
background-image:linear-gradient(top,#ea8f20,#c56711);
-webkit-border-radius:4px;
-moz-border-radius:4px;
-ms-border-radius:4px;
-o-border-radius:4px;
border-radius:4px;
-webkit-box-shadow:inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,0.2),0 1px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.05);
-moz-box-shadow:inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,0.2),0 1px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.05);
-ms-box-shadow:inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,0.2),0 1px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.05);
-o-box-shadow:inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,0.2),0 1px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.05);
box-shadow:inset 0 1px 0 rgba(255,255,255,0.2),0 1px 2px rgba(0,0,0,0.05);
text-shadow:0 -1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.25);
border-color:#C56711 #C56711 #EA8F20;
border-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.1) rgba(0,0,0,0.1) rgba(0,0,0,0.25);
overflow:hidden;
color:#fff;
padding:10px 30px;
font-weight:bold;
font-size:16px;
display:block;
text-align:center;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks:before,.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks:after {
content:"";
display:table;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks:after {
clear:both;
}
.ie8 .t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks {
zoom:1;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks li {
float:left;
width:23.4625%;
margin-left:2.05%;
}
.ie7 .t-footer .t-footer-curseInfo .t-footer-socialLinks li {
width:22.4625%;
}
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display:block;
}
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display:block;
margin:0 auto;
background:url(../Img/icon-social-links.png) no-repeat 0 0;
}
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width:64px;
height:26px;
background-position:0 0;
}
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background-position:0 -28px;
}
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width:37px;
height:27px;
background-position:-66px 0;
}
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background-position:0 -56px;
}
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width:16px;
height:32px;
background-position:-105px 0;
}
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background-position:-105px -34px;
}
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width:27px;
height:27px;
background-position:-39px -56px;
}
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background-position:-68px -56px;
}
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margin-left:0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork {
float:left;
width:65%;
margin-left:2.05%;
border-top:1px solid #333;
}
.ie7 .t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork {
width:64.98333%;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork header>h4 {
position:relative;
top:-9px;
background:#151515;
padding:0 10px 0 0;
display:inline-block;
font-size:14px;
font-weight:bold;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-jumpLink {
float:right;
position:relative;
top:-9px;
padding:0 10px;
font-size:10px;
height:16px;
line-height:16px;
text-transform:uppercase;
font-weight:bold;
background:#383838;
-webkit-border-radius:6px;
-moz-border-radius:6px;
-ms-border-radius:6px;
-o-border-radius:6px;
border-radius:6px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-jumpLink:hover {
background:#ff5f14;
color:#fff;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured {
border-bottom:1px solid #333;
overflow:hidden;
padding-bottom:1.5em;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem {
float:left;
width:23.4625%;
margin-left:2.05%;
}
.ie7 .t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem {
width:22.4625%;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem:first-child {
margin-left:0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem h4 {
text-indent:-9999px;
display:block;
width:146px;
height:102px;
background-repeat:no-repeat;
background-position:0 0;
margin:0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem.site-gw2g h4 {
background-image:url(../Img/featured-gw2g.png);
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem.site-lolpro h4 {
background-image:url(../Img/featured-lolpro.png);
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem.site-mmoc h4 {
background-image:url(../Img/featured-mmoc.png);
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem.site-gw2db h4 {
background-image:url(../Img/featured-gw2db.png);
}
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display:block;
cursor:pointer;
}
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background-position:0 -102px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem dl {
margin:0;
background:#262626;
-webkit-border-bottom-right-radius:8px;
-moz-border-bottom-right-radius:8px;
-ms-border-bottom-right-radius:8px;
-o-border-bottom-right-radius:8px;
border-bottom-right-radius:8px;
-webkit-border-bottom-left-radius:8px;
-moz-border-bottom-left-radius:8px;
-ms-border-bottom-left-radius:8px;
-o-border-bottom-left-radius:8px;
border-bottom-left-radius:8px;
width:126px;
padding:5px 10px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem dl dt {
font-weight:bold;
color:#fff;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-featured .t-footer-featureItem dl dd {
margin:0;
font-size:11px;
white-space:normal;
line-height:13px;
color:#ddd;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse {
position:relative;
padding-left:170px;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse:before,.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse:after {
content:"";
display:table;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse:after {
clear:both;
}
.ie8 .t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse {
zoom:1;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse>li>a {
position:absolute;
left:0;
width:150px;
font-weight:bold;
color:#4b4b4b;
text-shadow:0 1px 0 #000;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse>li>a.j-selected,.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse>li>a:hover {
background:#2c2c2c;
color:#ff5f14;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse>li.t-footer-coreLinks>a {
top:0;
}
.t-footer .t-footer-curseNetwork .t-footer-browse>li.t-footer-communityLinks>a {
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New GWEN Video on Gamespot, some questions and thoughts. - Guild Wars Forums - GW Guru
Aug 04, 2007, 04:25 AM // 04:25
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Guild: [EYE]
Profession: Rt/A
New GWEN Video on Gamespot, some questions and thoughts.
Have you guys seen it? Who is that female character with a face mask during the selection screen right before the paragon? I'm assuming it's a ranger? THAT ARMOR IS AWESOME!!! I might dust off my ranger just to get that armor. Finally rangers get a good looking armor for a change.
If you listen carefully to the narrator, you might notice that he's implying that you will have very interesting character customization options in GWEN. It seems ppl will finally be able to get different hair styles, etc. Also he says something about every profession being able to get armor pieces like the ninja mask, etc. That sounds intriguing.. Oh, the possibilities...
I don't understand all those whiners complaining about the lack of character slots, and other stuff that isn't even important. (When GWEN is this good, I rather spend $10 for an extra character slot, than pay $15 for one month of WoW)
GWEN looks to be the best thing that happened to GW since it's release. It seems it will be more interesting, and offer more content, then Factions and Nightfall put together. Maybe that is an overstatement, but it definitely looks that way from what I've seen so far in the video.
I love the new environments such as the burning forest, and the floating isles... This looks like the best looking GW addition in all of GW history!
I'm purposely not getting "Vanquisher" title, and "Hard Mode Protector" right now, because it will be fun getting all this with new heroes and abilities.
I haven't been half as excited about Factions or Nightfall, as I am about GWEN. I was actually bashing the above titles for lack of interesting stuff - especially the Factions. I definitely cant say the same about GWEN.
Judging from the video, Anet has really done an outstanding job this time. It looks like there wont be any complaining from me on forums about GWEN. (And I really like to criticize)
Way to go, Anet!
Aug 04, 2007, 05:26 AM // 05:26
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Feb 2006
Profession: W/
Correct! That's a Ranger/Monk and her armor looks pimp!
When he says that existing GW players will be able to change their look and appearance I hope that we get some kind of hair stylist!
I love that burning forest! It looks so cool!
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Aug 04, 2007, 02:47 PM // 14:47
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Guild: [EYE]
Profession: Rt/A
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Thank you.
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