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[DE] · Aug 11, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

thats exactly my point, YOU DONT MAKE THE RULES. and once again how exactly is choosing your own strategy to kill enemies and help alllies ruining the team or backstabing (and the monk that got team killed, was i guess in ur perspective a team player)

Okay.

When the leader asks you to ping your build you ping the ss/br build.

The leader thinks you are running that build.

You switch to your build that you think is appropriate.

You went behind the groups back to run what you wanted to run.

THAT is backstabbing.

judgedread33 · Aug 11, 2007, 05:32 AM // 05:32

The reason the leader kicks you when u have a strange build is because they dont want to stuff around changing their build and the build of the party members to accommodate your build.

If you got in a nice group of friends or guildies you would find them a lot more friendlier and more willing to change their build rather then yours.

MagmaRed · Aug 11, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Do you know the people you team up with in a PUG? No, and they don't know you either. Because they don't know you, they don't know if you know what you are doing. A common, standard build is wanted for PUGs because they are easy to run. Yes, an idiot can use a standard build, and still suck. However, when you don't know the person playing the build, you at least want a build you know to be effective.

I enjoy trying new, different builds myself. However, I never use them with PUGs. If I want to use a build that is not the common one for an area, I go with hero/hench, or guild members.

Go all out with crazy build, effective or not. Just don't expect PUGs to allow it, and don't be upset when they don't.

Curse You · Aug 11, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48

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Originally Posted by neoflame

yeah i've been running almost the same ranger build since proph it goes

barrage
choking gas
ignite arrows
kindle arrows
read the wind
nature's renewal
tranquility
quickening zephyr

It's needs [wiki]Primal Echoes[/wiki] or [wiki]Brambles[/wiki] instead of one of the preparations.

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

On a lighter note, anyone notice that this is exactly the same build he posted in campfire as a PvP survivor build? I can't imagine why no one wants to play with you, you seem like such a cooperative, literate young chap.

It's funny what can win in Random Arena.

(found on GuildWiki. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Frenzysmite2wq0.jpg)

manitoba1073 · Aug 11, 2007, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by Curse You

It's needs [wiki]Primal Echoes[/wiki] or [wiki]Brambles[/wiki] instead of one of the preparations.

It's funny what can win in Random Arena.

(found on GuildWiki. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Frenzysmite2wq0.jpg)

Why yes it funny with what you can win in RA with. Take this for example..

W/Me

riposte ,deadly riposte, conjure phantasm, ignorance, ether feast, rez sig, bonetties defense, and i forgot the last one lol

Diddy bow · Aug 11, 2007, 12:23 PM // 12:23

I think youd love ha

.

Also, there is a reason you wont be accepteed into much groups as a mellemancer...

Mitchel · Aug 11, 2007, 12:36 PM // 12:36

I'd suggest dropping Vamp Gaze and taking in Frenzy.

gabrial heart · Aug 11, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Fact is FOW is pretty easy in either mode and group dynamics that are fairly poor will get you to the forgemaster, just not in record time. So this build in a decent group will get you there but for sure won't clear out the place. The forest and mesmer areas would eat this build up.

There are a good amount of 3 man and solo builds for fow and when used well, knowning the build and running them correctly you can clear out certain areas in a fair amount of time.

So, this or any random build could get you to the forgemaster fine, but again it wouldn't be timey or as effective then the standard ss/br that are really based around doing it quickly. Areas like DOA or the faction elite areas are a good bit harder and a better gauge for a builds success. Even UW would be a better place to see the effectiveness of a build like this.

FOW really isn't that hard for a forgemaster run, i'd rather have a touchie then this if we are talking about a self-healing build that does a decent amount damage.

I would take you in an 8 man since it wouldn't matter much what your efficiency is as long as the rest of the gang is decent. But you wouldn't be pulling your weight in damage.

Zorgy · Aug 11, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

This is a story that happened to me recently. I was in Ab looking for a group, then I invite myself & the leader ask me to ping my build, what I do. I have been kicked out straight & the leader sending me a private message: " You dont have a decent build "

I didnt reply.....please note that I am a CHAMPION & that I never leech + I use this build for long.....

Thats it....to the OP =====> dont complain.....just make your own team LOL

wetsparks · Aug 11, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

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Originally Posted by omniclasm

Even though with that said, FoW is not really high-end PvE. You can get quite far in FoW with a mixed team. I have cleared the whole place with teams that had all of the "inferior" PvE professions. Assassins, Dervish, Paragons, Mesmers, Ritualists, all of them.

I hear ya there. I like to pug fow because it gives out decent money and it is always good for a laugh or a bit of a challenge, depending on the group. The funnest time I had there I had a dervish to draw initial agro, an assasin to follow in, me as a ranger, a rit as main healer, a bonder, mesmer, paragon, and ele. All good guys/gals and if was probably the best group i had ever had there because no one took it seriously.

To the OP:
If you really want to run builds like that let people know that you are running that build, from the begining so that they can be prepared for it, and get people that are cool with just screwing around and not going to take it to seriously like so many do.

Renegade26 · Aug 11, 2007, 07:18 PM // 19:18

Btw, not sure if this was made very clear, it is extremely possible to stray from "cookie cutting". Ive been accepted as an Assassin into FoW groups whenever Ive tried. Just ask someone to look at your build or playing and you can improve from the ""suckage"" that people in this thread may describe, as well as doing more damage/ support for your team.

haggus71 · Aug 11, 2007, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Yes, it's unfair that most groups going to FoW want a certain build with their team. Yes, most people are there for the farming/armor deal and not for the "try something new and exciting" thing that you state. However, aren't you showing the same inflexibility by LYING to the team leader about what build you have just so you can get in the build YOU want?

Saying "I got X title with Y build" means F-all. A crappy player in a good group can be carried along. There have been plenty of times I've been through different quests/missions where we had a guy afk for half the mission. One time a Tank was so bad we left him dead and finished the mission without him.

If you want to go with your build(which, frankly, has little or no synergy), make up a team yourself, shell the money, and go for it. Or, if you want on other teams, ping your build, and if they insist, either suck it up and get a better build, or leave and try another group.

BTW, I agree with the guy that said the reason they ask for your build and want a certain build is because they DON'T KNOW YOU, and they aren't going to waste their time or money on a suspect bar. The reason certain builds are taken are because they have been tested by many people, and they do the best job. Walking "works" for transportation, but that doesn't mean I'm going to walk from New York to LA.

Gwmaster · Aug 11, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

so after i reading the necro build lol, i decided to try a melemancer build, sad thing is i dont have the spells on my necro yet, but i was thinking about this:
Aura of The Lich, Dark Aura,Touch of Agony,wallows Bite,Blood Renewal,Watch Yourself,Unholy Feast,Rez Sig. once i get the skills ill try to enter a fow group..who knows maybe ill pwn.

anyways back on topic, personally i wouldn't take someone with such a build if i was the leader of a team, since i know the game mechanics,and monster ai.
First because of the necro's low armor, you make the tanks useless, because the Ai will target either people with lowest armor/health. 2-since you got low armor you take more damage, and monks have to focus more on you than on other people that could get hit at the same time ex: other monks,nukers.
and 3rd, imo you should be a bit more creative than that, heal sig...comon you just reduced your already sucky armor by -40. look at the skills i writhed above: AoTL- reduces damage by half,halves sac cost, heals me if it gets striped,dark aura will deal aoe damage for every touch skill i use, since i sacrifice life,renewal gives decent regen and heals when its finished,Watch yourself adds armor,and res...res. im really going to try this lol it looks fun.

Edit: ok i tried my build in Random Arena xD, and im impressed, people didn't expect being shot down in less than 5 sec. energy management is the only bad thing about it, but it pass the survival test.

Lord Feathers · Aug 11, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

After reading all of this I still ask myself why real folks over heroes ?

ANET let us do these areas with just our henchmen and heroes ! They listen, they never curse at me, and above all they don't think they know it all and rage quit. Aside from that they will happily die for me as many times as I wish them too.

Pae · Aug 12, 2007, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by Omniclasm

Not running SF ele? You get kicked and they get one of the hundred SF eles.
Missing a skill from the typical build? Kicked for one that has it.

Maybe I am just against disposable builds that you have to run. I'd like it if builds could be self sufficient, and not totally rely on other builds. Example: The absolute reliance on monks. I hate that. I think the game would be more enjoyable in some aspects if you could just get 7 random people and go bash stuff, as opposed to the "GLF 2 SF eles, Bonder, Bip or SS and MM for Masters" for hours upon hours.

Although I have to sympathize with you about getting kicked for not running a SF ele, but it's been my favorite skill ever since unlocking it. It's a powerful skill, and if people think that someone won't be contributing as much, they'll kick. Or, just warn people ahead of time before pinging your build. If you do the number crunching ahead of time, that helps them too. :P

The issue with missing a skill from the typical build depends on which skill. Sometimes the ones that don't seem that crucial are. e.g. Inspired/Revealed Enchantment in The Deep - People are constantly saying that any enchantment strip works, but those two don't have a recharge after stripping monster skills. It's pretty much a backup specifically for Kanaxai.

If you don't like the disposable builds, you may want to look into being a flag runner in PvP. They'd need to be pretty self-sufficient. With PvE, you pretty much just want to get through something as quickly and painlessly as possible and having focused attributes/skills usually helps with that. That's even more true for builds that have great synergy in them.

neoflame · Aug 12, 2007, 04:51 AM // 04:51

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Originally Posted by Curse You

It's needs [wiki]Primal Echoes[/wiki] or [wiki]Brambles[/wiki] instead of one of the preparations.

you just gave me an idea for a new build

signet of judgment
bane signet
signet of rage
primal echoes
quickening zephyr
nature's renewal
brambles
holy wrath

expertise for cheaper signets and qz for fast recharge, since you don't need energy after you put up spirits holy wrath = uber damage LOLOL! brambles+knockdown=bleeding which counters that bane of my existence, mending

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It's funny what can win in Random Arena.

Hilarious, but that build is still orders of magnitude better than the OP. At least I can sort of see how that build would work.

...actually, I think I kind of want to run that in RA now... but with a cancel stance :P

Voltar · Aug 12, 2007, 07:58 AM // 07:58

Well, that would be a great build idea to suggest to someone trying to get a legendary survivor title on a N/W. It's all about not dying.

Well of Blood takes me back to the good old days when my W/N buddies were all about mark of pain, a physical damage sword and well of blood.

This game has always been populated by the mentally unflexable. Wait, there's actually a standard FoW build now? I remember getting factions, making a Rt and finishing factions with her...then running her to ToA and pugging her to, "check out what she's made of." The group I joined had like...one other guy that knew what was going on and a 55 Mo (who adamately denied this fact). i spammed spirits (before there were Spirit Spammers with capital S's) and another Mo healed while the 55 did little or nothing, one warrior knew what he was doing and the rest of the group kinda floundered around like the wind-up toys that walk into walls. We cleared half the place and finished 3 quests before people got tired and started leaving (since they didn't realize FoW took that long, I guess). Nobody bu the 55-Mo died.

People need a "standard build" to do that?

The Herbalizer · Aug 12, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

There is a difference between playing in a group and using an unusual build.

And playing in a group which asked you to play a certain build and telling them you will play it yet not playing it.

Lying to get into a group is wrong. You deceived them and are in fact the backstabber.

There is nothing wrong with running different or unusual builds which I do. There is a problem with people lying.

Vampyrija · Aug 12, 2007, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

vamp gaze
vamp touch
blood of agressor
soul leech
riposte deadly riposte
heal signet
well of blood (much more team helpful than br)

...

i have glad ranks and fow armor but what do i know.

-vamp touch, riposte : melee with 60AL against nasty barrage rangers and abyssals...

-blood of the aggressor : you steal up to 41 health every 5 sec, impressive...

-heal signet : as far as I know you have monks to heal you. And -40AL leaves you practically naked against huge damage in fow.

-well of blood : cool, some health regen. And what are you doing when eles or monks need energy?

-3 attribute points in soul reaping? great...

-glad rank : that's the most prestigious form of PvP, is it?

-fow armor : mostly anyone can have it (ridiculously low ectos and shards price) and as far as I know having a fow armor doesn't make you the best player there is...

What does your build contribute to the team? Some wells of blood here are there when there are corpses available (there are many skeletons and shadow army by the way), that's about it. Monks will have to keep an eye on you when you'll be in frontline playing rambo with ripostes and stuff. Great... I don't mind experimenting with builds but to be honest, yours is the kind of build that makes me laugh my a... off when I come across one in low level pvp like RA or AB...

Tela · Aug 12, 2007, 03:47 PM // 15:47

Jeez, where to start on this one.
Ok first, OP, your build is probably one of the worst I've ever seen. Further, your build in FOW is about as useful as tits on a nun. But what really angers me is you post on here to try to get feedback as to why you are unfairly treated as a total noob. You basically ignore every post on here telling you your build and outlook totally blow ass. These people want you to be a better player and are trying to enlighten you, but you seem totally unwilling to listen. I find this extremely ironic since that seems to be what you are bitching about happening to you.
Here's My advice
Give your account to your favorite guildie/friend(if you have any).
Give natural selection a head start.
Enjoy your stay in hell, and maybe during your eternal vacation you can learn to listen to others.

How you do any dmg or any self heal with that build eludes me.