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Masterr · Aug 12, 2007, 11:20 PM // 23:20

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Originally Posted by Dylananimus

People seem not to realise that you are not required to title grind to get through the game. They're an added feature, not a neccesity

There really are not that many skills that require title grinding huh

It's not something you HAVE to do.

This expansion is for people who want to delve into things a little deeper. So yes, titles are a part of that 'extra' stuff you get to have fun with and test yourself with in GW. You will be rewarded at the end of it, mainly in feeling the accomplishment of setting yourself a goal to get to and reaching it.

Again...titles are NOT a required part of the game in most instances. So I think people need to get off that one, it's not actually making sense to call GW anything that resembles a grind. That's why the level cap is at 20 after all

As for saying there are better games out there to play, that are around or coming out. Well, great...go play them. I see no point in people continuing to gripe about a game they clearly don't like anymore. Why don't you try moving on?

Though I have to say Starcraft looks like something I would have played about 20 years ago on my Atari :/ But if you're into that, and not GW...what are you doing still playing and discussing the game?? Go find something new. There are still a lot of us who do like GW, and do like the extra content and possibilities to do something other than just play through the storyline, or PvP.

It's all about opinions, and one man's opinion does not diminish anothers.

I apologize, it seems my english is so bad that you didnt understood a thing of what i said, i really dont mind about titles like cartographer they dont give and advantage in the game, but with skills like cry of pain, save yourselves, there is nothing to fear (on max lvl they are as powerfull as an elite or even more), the reward makes you more powerfull in the game, just like in a regular mmorpg: the more you grind, the better you are, as for the last part regarding other games, i think you missquoted me

Omega X · Aug 12, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by Metal Herc

If I wanted to grind, I would play WoW. There, when I grind I go up levels and get better gear. The whole reason I got into GW was to leave that grind. where at L20 I had the "best" weapon, which I got from a collector.

Guild Wars can be just as grind heavy now days. So you left the river for the lake.

Zorgy · Aug 13, 2007, 12:33 AM // 00:33

"...Twisted and manipulative marketing. My opinion of course." ====> this make me laugh so much

What about the shoes, tshirts, pants, food, beverage, cars, pc, graphic cards, films, music that you EVENTUALY buy ?????

So go back to your cave man

& enjoy winking in front of the fire LOL

To the OP ====> you are a nice neet guy dont waste your time and study well, childhood is leaving you

& dont be so serious cause you make me laugh so much

Dont forget to pray to your Lord before sleeping it will help you becoming someone LOL

Concerning all the SAID SUPPOSED new games, dont get fooled folks. We all know that 80% of game devs are working hand in hand with graphic chips companies. Open your eyes or take a very cold shower, look at the game market and tell me frankly please: what is REALLY new with those SUPPOSED new games ???????

NOTHING², the a/m devs just update/enhance their existing graphic engines to produce new effects, shaders....bla bla bla......like Hollywood block busters where the scenario is below zero & the so called special effects sky high LOLOLOL

And the OP will, like millions of sheeps buy a brand new graphic card at a very very special price of.......350$/€

Twisted and manipulative marketing is rulling the whole world Dude, since prehistorical times

Wake up!

PS/ I preordered GWEN & will buy of course GW² & GW3 & GW4 & GW5......cause Strain & ALL at Anet try to be off the track. Their creativity is awesome & GW will become the B E S T online game (without monthly fee wtf) ever

My opinion of course...........

White knight lord · Aug 13, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Several reasons really:

The biggest though is that I do not trust Anet anymore. From marketing spin, fuzzy math, improvements that are terrible and force fed as "better" and so on. Ugh.
The game has become miles less fun than it used to be, each and every battle feels like a poorly done bot match with Quake (the first one) like AI. HM is uncreative at best, upping mob stats is so boring to play against. bleh... Loot scaling and so on...

Kinda funny really. I used to have this same thinking method, but I realised after they implimented all of these things the game got Harder.I say to you with all do respect, Are you giving up because the game is harder? HM isn't really that hard just gotta play "smart", someone can't bum rush the HM foes like they would with the NM foes, it is strategy that is all they really implimented. As far as marketing Zorgy is correct, the whole world is about marketing.

Voltar · Aug 13, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

I'm guessing that Anet spends a lot of time oggling WoW and what makes them so much money. The best we can do is guide Anet's thought process which is pretty much what they want us to do. I like the idea of the faction skills depending on their implementation. I'm a big fan of not grinding. The minigames sound kinda fun and hopefully we won't have to play them to the point of nausea to get the skills up to par. Hopefully Anet realizes that a lot of us actually have like 7-10 characters. I like AB and Aspenwood but the amount of effort required to level the skills in the face of leachers switches it fom fun to grind mode. I don't care how "easy" SS and LB are to grind, it's stll a lame grind.

I like the skills for rep idea as an extension of the skill quests from Prophecies but i hate the carrot-on-a-stick bland grinding that WoW is famous for.

For those not familiar with the English phrase, "carrot on a stick," it means that you go for the carrot and they pull it farther away. WoW is all about this. It took me 5 months to catch on to that and I'm never playing that bs game again...Even if it's called GW2.

The Herbalizer · Aug 13, 2007, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Defo going to get it. Looks awesome.

ibex333 · Aug 13, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

I'll be a high school senior this year, it'll be busy, and I put schoolwork before gaming. REALLY? And I thought the senior year is like a year off for everyone. I didnt do squat my senior year. This year is designe d to SLACK OFF, not do school work. I had like 2-3 classes my senior year, started my school day at like 8-9am and ended like 11-12pm which left me the rest of the day free. All I did was play games, rollerblade and do other useless s*it.
Oh well, guess you are an AP student aiming for Harward or Yale... Then again. If you aren't gonna slack off now, when the hell will you ever slack off again?! Bleh.. I don't even know why I said all this. I just thought I care, but I actually shouldn't/dont.

Plus, there will be a plethora of console games being released in the same timeframe as GW:EN, including Metroid Prime 3, Mass Effect, and Halo 3.

Ohh.... Why am I even talking to you.... YOU ARE A CONSOLE PERSON!!! :disgusted:

(jk)

console world died for me when SEGA was killed...

I've been 100% console free since then. It's PC forever for me.

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mazik · Aug 13, 2007, 04:06 AM // 04:06

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Originally Posted by hobbit man

I don't see any reason to buy this game. It's all a grind without any of the accomplishment. I really, really doubt this game will be worth the money...Nightfall and Factions sure weren't worth more than $10 imo.

Anyway, I'm picking up a 360 so I can actually play some quality games...and a Wii a little later.

Why play a mediocre expansion when you can play Bioshock, Metroid, Madden 08, Gears of War, Fire Emblem, Super Smash Bros, Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Super Mario Galaxy, and Halo 3? I don't get it.

I can't say I will miss people like you

. Nightfall, and even factions, were both quality additions tot eh franchise, and if you think they were worth $10, obviously you're blind, because I would pay $10 just to see the beautiful artwork, or you are just very, very naive. GW:EN will be a total grind? Ya, because you've brought several of your characters through it already,right? Grow up.

darktyco · Aug 14, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

I'm not buying it because of PvE skills that are tied to title tracks.

Incarnatum · Aug 14, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16

It's funny I found this thread tonight, after one of the my most frustrating nights in GW history.

Just warning you, this is going to turn into a rant.

We get to halls, after an almost full run. We're well on the way to winning when myself and our infuser err7 on King of the Hill. Ahh it's okay, we'll reconnect , only wasting a few seconds. oh WAIT, that's right. Someone dupped items and now we can't reconnect anymore. Re-enter the MOST frustrating part in Guild Wars, inability to reconnect, while plagued by err7's. Each team loses 2 players...how the hell is that fun? Just ruins the entire gameplay. Another thing in HA..why does it take so much damn time to balance skills? And with each balance, why does a build always have to get decimated, instead of getting a decent enough nerf to keep it competitive, but not overpowered. Here's a good example - Rit Spike. Instead of decreasing the damage, inscreasing casting time or something of the sort..every RT spike skill has to cause exhaustion now? What the hell is this, just because you took forever to fix something doesn't mean you have to destroy it when you finally decide to do SOMETHING about it. And btw, call me a rit spike noob if you want to. The fact is I'm not a big fan of RT spike but I enjoy the challenge of facing it. Seeing a build decimated does not make me happy.

To hell with HA, time to vanquish, which is, I must say, one of the most boring things I have ever done. Mindless half-asleep droning through a zone, with the occasional wipe because my head slipped off my hand and now I have a bruise to show for it. No biggie right, we'll rez at the shrine. Oh crap, right in the middle of 4 corsair groups, including 2 bosses. What in the hell was Anet thinking when they put that shrine there, especially for HARD MODE. (Barbarous shore, im sure I'm not the only one that had fun with that one). I'm the first to admit, Anet succeeded in making HM HARDER, but it does NOT require you to think better. Perfect example - DoA. The only difference is, your monks need to be a tad more awake this time through. You can talk to me all you want about strategy, etc, but the fact is 2 people with 2 monk heros and the rest SF heros can blow through any zone, with a few minor problems. By the way, did I mention I err7'd after we BARELY managed to clear out those groups by the shrines? Sorry, but I find nothing fun in this. Even if I didn't err, the pure stupidity of that shrine's location infuriates me.

That rant brings me to a second one - titles. Hey guys, here's an idea. We ran out of things to keep people entertained, so let's throw in these lame ass attempts at keeping people busy and grinding until we manage to throw out our next half-baked project, full with mistakes, expoits, and just shit we purely forgot to put in because we were too busy sitting back and laughing. Sure, noone says you HAVE to get the titles. But honestly, tell me what else there is to do? Farming? Loot-scaling, lag, etc has made farming so goddamn tedious. IMO, almost nothing is worth the time it takes to farm nowadays. Defend this all you want with the argument that you can make like 5K per item. Sure, you can, after an hour of spamming in Kamadan. I miss the days of spending 4-5 hours farming Urgoz (which was actually fun) for the 1/12 (if that, math + me = fail) chance of getting his Longbow, and selling it in 5 minutes for 100K +85 ecto, when ecto were actually worth good money.

Anyways, back to titles. You guys advocating titles are correct - there are only a few titles that you need to really develop to get good gains from the pVe only skills; this doesn't take too much either, you can get LB and SS points up to like lvl 8 just going about your regular business. This argument considered, you can't seriously believe the rest of the lame ass, half-baked (yes, I'm using this term a lot - it's a polite way of saying shitty) titles aren't being shoved in our faces. And yes, they are grinding. Drunkard title? Please, you need to have a lot of money and a whooole lot of bloody time to get this accomplished. This and the sweet tooth title aren't nearly as bad as other titles such as the Cartographer titles - you only risk getting carpel tunnel from all the damn clicking. 99.4%? Come ooooon, if it weren't for nice people to check your maps for you, you'd be doing this for ages, ultimately pulling your own hair out and probably commiting suicide. This goes hand in hand with vanquisher, guardian, lucky/unlucky, kurzick/luxon, blah blah blah. They're all just filler. And now, on top of it all, they're incorporated into the Favor system. GG Anet, SO creative. And OH, we get bonuses in GW2 because of our titles. I don't know if you realize how catastrophic this could be. Say for example, these titles give us little to no advantage in GW2. People are going to be PISSED for wasting so much time on their titles. If the bonuses are great, then new people to GW2 are going to quit because they're getting whooped by people who have their leetskeet "titles". What a bunch of crap.

This brings me to my last point ... why is it that all the faithful, long-term, VERY involved GW players are repeatedly getting slapped in the face? Elona -- inscribable items -- bye bye item value. HM -- rare skins drop like crazy -- bye bye item value. So many people had spent months farming, or trading their way up to the rare items they wanted, so they can show off and have some pride in their accomplishments. Now any newbie (not insulting new players here, just stating a point) with a 55hp monk and a bloody -50hp, or an A/E can go out and farm themselves a Collossal Scimitar, Ele Sword, or go chest running for a Magma's or an Eternal. I agree some equality is in order, but this was SUCH an overkill IMO. And finally, the biggest insult - not being able to carry over our money, armors, etc to GW2. It's like we're all being abandoned and forced to do these damn titles so we have something to show for 2yrs + of dedication. True enough, noone knows the full extent of what will be transferrable, and I agree being able to carry over money will furstrate new players - but this is just not the way it should be done.

To conclude this super-long and most likely extremely incoherent rant ... I will be buying GWEN. Why? Because I want to finish the GW series. I'm also looking forward to seeing where Anet will screw up next. I'd also like to clarify I'm not entirely bashing Anet..they had an amazing game going, until they apparently stopped caring, or least definately decreased the effort they put into their plans for this game. I feel like a guinea pig for GW2, which was their plan all along. Between skill balances, new content, failure to correct problems such as err7, ridiculous nerfs and drop tweaks, GW has gone WAY downhill and I don't believe it will ever go back to what it was.

Thanks to anyone who took the time to read this. I believe I've expressed about every feeling I've had inside me conserning this game. After tonight, I needed a rant. It was building up this this, had to come out :P

ryanryanryan0310 · Aug 14, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

I'll get it. Just to kill more Charr!!

Prof Of Black · Aug 14, 2007, 10:20 AM // 10:20

I'm gonna buy GW:EN 100% sure.

But.. First.. I need to get unbanned...

~Prof.

Tijger · Aug 14, 2007, 10:23 AM // 10:23

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Originally Posted by darktyco

I'm not buying it because of PvE skills that are tied to title tracks.

Eh..and those are bad how?

roninrbl · Aug 14, 2007, 11:12 AM // 11:12

Even If U want to use the title based PvE skills U dont have to max out the titles. I use the Suspear PvE skills at lvl 7-8 and it is more then enough (the max is 10). To reach lvl 7-8 sunspear titles you dont have to grind. It is simply enough to almost complete Nightfall.

I am playing GW for 2 years and never grinded a minute.
I tried WoW, Linage2 as well and I could hardly play a month with them.

darktyco · Aug 14, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Tijger

Eh..and those are bad how?

How about, because it will be a grind? Just take a look at ANet's other PvE skill implementations. Despite the fact that people with impulsive personalities get addicted to grinding, it is still a broken gamplay element.

darktyco · Aug 14, 2007, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by roninrbl

Even If U want to use the title based PvE skills U dont have to max out the titles. I use the Suspear PvE skills at lvl 7-8 and it is more then enough (the max is 10). To reach lvl 7-8 sunspear titles you dont have to grind. It is simply enough to almost complete Nightfall.

I am playing GW for 2 years and never grinded a minute.
I tried WoW, Linage2 as well and I could hardly play a month with them.

I agree that they don't have to be maxed out to use them, but for most of the skills there is a threshold your rank needs to be at for them to not be a waste on your bar. If you only need to run a character through the EotN campaign once to reach one of the highest ranks (r7 or r8 out of 10 perhaps) then I will retract my "I'm not buying" statement from above.

PS- When I run my non-Elonian characters through Nightfall they end up only at rank 4 (5 if I'm lucky.)

Tijger · Aug 14, 2007, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by darktyco

How about, because it will be a grind? Just take a look at ANet's other PvE skill implementations. Despite the fact that people with impulsive personalities get addicted to grinding, it is still a broken gamplay element.

As for addiction, people have always grinded in GW in the 2 years I've played it so what else is new. To get the PvE skills (at least the sunspear and LB ones) up to a pretty decent level pretty much only requires finishing the game, doing the quests and taking the blessings whenever you can.

I dont see whats broken about it, its PvE only so it doesnt give you any advantage over other players and while some of the skills are certainly worth having they're not a requirement.

Mordakai · Aug 14, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

There is NO Grind in Sunspear.

Level 7 is fine, and it requires a whopping 2,500 sunspear points. That's not finishing Nightfall, that's practically getting to the outpost.

Yes, Luxon and Kurzick are grind heavy titles, but then, I've NEVER been refused from a group for not having them.

As long as getting the PvE skills in GWEN is fun and not grind, I'll be happy.

White knight lord · Aug 14, 2007, 10:21 PM // 22:21

I really don't care for the PvE skills all too much even though they may help I know I am not required to get them and I won't simply because I can find another skill to replace them. I don't mind being a guiniea pig for a game it basically means a a game tester.

If I have to be a test pig so a company can make a better game I am all for it.

I wish we could transfer our money and what not over but GW2 might have a different currency system and current armors most likely won't fit on the new classes. I personally wish the LB and SS titles would have been like the Lucky/unlucky or the Kurzick/Luxon titles, mainly account based instead of individual chars. So like the acct based title you could play any char to gain those titles.

I am still getting GW:EN but GW2... depends what i am doing in r/l 1st

Taste Of Victory · Aug 22, 2007, 03:44 PM // 15:44

It's wait and see for me, mainly because of ANET's shift away from it's original ideals into grinding for stats (allegiance rank etc.) and paying real money for stats (unlocks, bonus items).

My biggest worry is how all the new PVE skills will be handled.