Curse

Thorm Devile · Aug 25, 2007, 10:00 AM // 10:00

turn this game into just another MMORPG grinder ALA DAoC/WoW.

as the title grinding weren't bad enough, in next expansion u NEED titles to even have some of the merchants let you look at what they are selling.

and not only that, the PvE arena is so horribly anti melee classes its not even funny in a sad way. its miles and miles easier to go through those tournaments as a caster then it is as a melee class.

so thanks A-net for turning this game into something u said never would happen..... just another dime a dozen MMORPG...

and for those that (i'm sure) will come and defend grinding.

i bet you love to watch pain dry to.

this game is turning more and more into a different lvl 1 - 100+ grind.

they could just as well start raising the level cap and its exactly the same as any other MMORPG.

JeniM · Aug 25, 2007, 10:05 AM // 10:05

a) I've beaten Norn arena loads of times as warrior
b) I have R3 Norn after one day, the missions are repeatable for 500 Norn points and Rank 4 Hunter gets points in quick
c) I like having something to work to not just getting it all given to me
d) I don't like watching paint dry
e) Maybe you just don't like the game if your not willing to play to get points, there are lots of ways of gettng points please don't tell me you can't find how to get bountys, always have a bounty on and points come in while playing, it's too soon to just go point farming

ayame ftw · Aug 25, 2007, 10:09 AM // 10:09

its one thing to farm points to unlock skills
its something different, to grind point to access the shopkeepers

Arkantos · Aug 25, 2007, 10:14 AM // 10:14

Nobody is forcing you to use those NPCs. I'd understand why you're frustrated if you were forced to, but you aren't.

Also, I really don't see how you think the tournament is totally anti melee. My warrior wrecked the tournament multiple times, no problem.

Thorm Devile · Aug 25, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

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Originally Posted by JeniM

a) I've beaten Norn arena loads of times as warrior
b) I have R3 Norn after one day, the missions are repeatable for 500 Norn points and Rank 4 Hunter gets points in quick
c) I like having something to work to not just getting it all given to me
d) I don't like watching paint dry
e) Maybe you just don't like the game if your not willing to play to get points, there are lots of ways of gettng points please don't tell me you can't find how to get bountys, always have a bounty on and points come in while playing, it's too soon to just go point farming

and most of your points means grinding. and thats about as challenging as watching paint dry.

all this is just WoW rep grinding by a diffrent name. spending hours on end killing mobs.

and i never said it was impossible for melee classes to beat the arena. its just alot easier as a caster.

and i don't want things given to me either. but grinding? thats probably the most mind numbing thing in existence for MMORPG's. and one that really shows how much the devs thought this expansion through. or rather, how much they didn't....

arcanemacabre · Aug 25, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

[skill]"You're All Alone!"[/skill]

And I'm not just being facetious. That's a great skill for a warrior to use in that tournament.

Thorm Devile · Aug 25, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Nobody is forcing you to use those NPCs. I'd understand why you're frustrated if you were forced to, but you aren't.

Also, I really don't see how you think the tournament is totally anti melee. My warrior wrecked the tournament multiple times, no problem.

no i'm not forced to. but like most others i want the armors from those NPC's. and apparently grinding the cash isn't enough anymore for A-net. heck, they could add it as the final reward for beating that expansion instead but i guess the norn and the vanguard dont care much about having their race saved

need titles! >.<

and about the arena, guess i'm just a horribly crap warrior then.. but neither my guild nor my alliance could make/suggest a working build but had tons and tons of caster builds so SOMETHING about it is wrong.

combatchuck · Aug 25, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Anti-melee? Strange, because my warrior is quickly becoming a favorite character after I've seen the damage he can do.

Arkantos · Aug 25, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

If you want it, grind the title then. If you don't want to grind, stop complaining, it's your choice.

The only thing wrong is your alliance obviously isn't experienced enough to make a build for a warrior.

JeniM · Aug 25, 2007, 10:49 AM // 10:49

Use one of those builds as your 2nd then, only need one skill to beat most of the challengers in arena and thats Ursan Blessing (sadly tied to the Norn title if you don't want to get points for it)

John Bloodstone · Aug 26, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

I really can't believe people are whinging about having to grind for titles already... it's a complete non issue.

Firstly, getting to rank 1 is mind-numbingly easy. That is all you need to get the base benefit of the title. After that, each successive rank gives you a tiny increase on the last one. For example the norn title gives +53hp, then +60, then +65hp (IIRC). This means if you want to achieve rank 1 and then not kill one single enemy more the entire game (because that's grind) then you don't have to.

Secondly, achieving a middle rank is easily achievable just by playing the game as normal. In one single day I managed to get to rank 3 1/2 on the norn title track just by playing the game and clearing one zone with a guildie. That's not even remotely grind.

I think that A-Net have achieved a well balanced level of 'grind' in the game that gives enough of a sense of achievement without forcing it on people who don't want to do it.

Arkantos · Aug 26, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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I really can't believe people are whinging about having to grind for titles already... it's a complete non issue

But they aren't whining about having to grind, they're whining about optional grind, which is worse.

moriz · Aug 26, 2007, 12:12 AM // 00:12

not to mention, the norn rank points does not only increase on killing monsters, but if you talk to each npc on each rez shrine, they give you more. killing a few dozen monsters will give you exponentially more points.

Vilaptca · Aug 26, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18

The more you kill, the faster you earn it, you receive multipliers and bonuses such as the Hunt Rampage thingy skill...

Seriously, there is no grind here. You grab the bounty while working on quests and you'll have the title in no time.

JeniM · Aug 26, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Reputation come in very fast and can i ask a question to OP

I assume you were buying a game as something to do, yet you don't want to do anything in it . . .

Sorry but to me atleast that makes no sence

TechnoSword · Aug 26, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

yeah like im a warrior and one thing i do when a new thing comes out is explore around first thing i got was the bounty, by the time i explored the entire map i killed around 150 monsters, with bonus added on there were even more points! not only that but i bumped into collectors and monster locations quest givers and dungeon areas. No effort needed I do what I enjoy doing and it pays itself off.

And as for the tournament, I just used grenths balance and some good damage dealing skills and Im set! Well maybe a few defensive skill =P

DeBron · Aug 26, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

But they aren't whining about having to grind, they're whining about optional grind, which is worse.

It's not a totally optional grind.

If you purchase EoTN it's for the PvE skills. The normal ones are not worth the $40 tag, even for most hardcore PvPers. That being said, most players are forced to grind for the skills they want to use.

I'm going to suggest that EoTN be renamed "Build Wars: Grind of the North - Which is Primarily Populated by Boring Reskinned Enemies".

Angelica · Aug 26, 2007, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by DeBron

It's not a totally optional grind.

If you purchase EoTN it's for the PvE skills. The normal ones are not worth the $40 tag, even for most hardcore PvPers. That being said, most players are forced to grind for the skills they want to use.

I'm going to suggest that EoTN be renamed "Build Wars: Grind of the North - Which is Primarily Populated by Boring Reskinned Enemies".

^^ I completely agree!

Omniclasm · Aug 26, 2007, 12:41 AM // 00:41

A) The rank 1 of the titles are easy to get, you get them from just playing the game, or is that grind?
B) The numbers could be escalated because it is a preview, and they don't want people buying armor.
C) Dungeons own.
D) Don't let the door hit you.

Antheus · Aug 26, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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B) The numbers could be escalated because it is a preview,

Heh....

How far are you in Lucky title? It's optional, right? After all, it only affects salvage and keys...

The titles will have insanely high requirements, so that hard-core can grind the same exploitable areas into oblivion (see Sulfurous desert for reference).

GW:EN contains many traits that on which GW2 will be built upon. One tiny detail are those "Slay the Big Bad Boss" messages. This is preparation for the event system in GW2. The skill progression and custom skills is also something for GW2, where you'll have fixed 8 skills, but those will get progressively stronger as you level.

Same thing with dungeons vs. explorable areas.

GW:EN is GW2 Lite. Not saying this ruins GW2 in any way, but that's what it'll be about.

And yes, just another MMORPG clone #58. Korean grind-fest style.