Curse

Angel Netherborn · Aug 28, 2007, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

It's not like every Tom, Dick and Harry PvP-er is getting something special that you're not.

True, but at least they have the means to get something more.

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

PvP focus precludes getting the in-game cash with which to buy one of the few hundred Asian minis. Is the market for Asian minis an elitist system biased against PvP-ers? Is it fair that hardcore PvP-ers will be excluded from displaying a high-end miniature?

Right... PvP focus would mean they are absolutely forbidden to buy gold... but if we ignore that "other" means of getting gold, this is perhaps a somewhat fair point. But in case you didn't know, there are plans in the works to increase Asian minis availability. So this might change.

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Different play styles get different content. There is no bias here. Very few PvE-types get the high end minis unlocked; very few PvP-types get the account-wide titles unlocked.

I think he understands that. It's the fact that PvP titles are being more honored than PvE titles that probably irks him. Just because the other monuments show stuffs that are more PvE-oriented doesn't balance out the titles because there are players who only focus on the titles. I don't have the money to buy all those rare minis, I don't farm for gold to buy rare weapons and 15k armor, I don't like those challenge missions to upgrade my hero's armor (and I don't have the gold to buy it), so I turn to the only thing I think I can afford to do: go for titles. And yet, it turns out that Kind of a Big Deal is all I get, with no way of differentiating whether it's just the grinding/gold-sink drunkard, sweet tooth and promotion points or the more dedicated legendary titles. This whole thing makes my HoM rather empty and disappointing.

Sharkman · Aug 28, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52

If you read the short paragraph about the HoM in the May PC Gamer, it clearly states that you will be able to display titles such as "Master Cartographer" or "Devotee of Wisdom".

My guess is that you just have to progress through the game to unlock these sections and maybe they just allow the PvP titles to be displayed so early on so PvP'ers dont have to play much PvE to pass on their achievements to their GW2 characters.

Martin Alvito · Aug 28, 2007, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by Karlos

Incorrect. Elite PvP gets you your own elite mini-pets which you can then trade for rare Asian mini-pets if your heart so desires. If you hold your nose and do HA among the PvP rabble that GvGers despise so much you actually get great skins and sell them for heaps of cash.

1) Those skins VERY rarely drop; the Ghostly miniature's drop rate is much worse. I know plenty of rank 10's that have never had a quality rare skin drop from the chest.

2) All those skins (it appears) will now drop in PvE in GW:EN, rendering them nearly valueless. Runic Blades and Dwarven Axes are confirmed to drop; good chance Stygians and Crystallines will as well. That's all of the items on the 'big money' drop list.

Halls isn't quite the money farm you clearly think it is. If you have a group that wins consistently and holds for long intervals, eventually you'll be certain to get good drops. (Both Roo and Lego picked up a mini Ghostly on the way to rank 12, for instance.) However, 'eventually' is in the 10-12k+ fame range, well beyond the time and resources of the vast majority of the player base.

Tarus From Taros · Aug 28, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by CyberMesh0

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times.

DO NOT WHINE ABOUT THE ABSENSE OF PVE RECOGNITION

it's a PREVIEW WEEKEND therefore it's NEARLY GUARANTEED that we haven't seen the whole thing.

Go ahead, flame me if and or when it comes out with no pve recognition. Until then, please give anet a freakin benefit of the doubt!

I'm still waiting for them to remove loot scaling to see how many people would whine about it.

You have to keep in mind that both teams have been working(?) on EotN for almost a year now and The Hall of Monuments was their biggest selling point. Why would they wait until the final week to change anything on it? That's about as sensible as working on your college final in the last hour.

I do agree with Karlos, there should be more credit for PVE other then KoaBD and beating the game however, a line does need to be drawn. All of the legendary titles should certainly be accounted for as well as the max based core titles. Just to think that those people who spent millions getting Drunkard 2 and Sweet tooth did so for one notch on the KoaBD title track. At least give those guys a snazzy weapon skin in GW2, christ. Now to draw that line I don't think having a single cartographer or any unmaxed title should be credited. Beating the game isn't an accomplishment either, that need to be removed and legendary guardian should be required for that I think. Almost all of the PVE titles at max will be well within reach of any player who started recently up to GW2.

Martin Alvito · Aug 28, 2007, 03:06 AM // 03:06

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Originally Posted by Angel Netherborn

Right... PvP focus would mean they are absolutely forbidden to buy gold... but if we ignore that "other" means of getting gold, this is perhaps a somewhat fair point. But in case you didn't know, there are plans in the works to increase Asian minis availability. So this might change.

Idiocy IMO; scarcity of those items is the main reason they are desirable. Clearly ANet is determined to make everything in their game worthless. I understand the thinking behind this (attempt to kill gold sellers), but the problem is that the prices on such items are sufficiently high these days that (almost) nobody can afford to buy that kind of gold anyway.

Buying gold isn't really an option when it comes to the Asian minis. I was offered 1750 ecto the other day for one of my mini beetles; that comes out to around $1000 US at current rates in the illegal secondary market for gold. Panda and Kanaxai command considerably more.

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Originally Posted by Angel Netherborn

I don't have the money to buy all those rare minis, I don't farm for gold to buy rare weapons and 15k armor, I don't like those challenge missions to upgrade my hero's armor (and I don't have the gold to buy it), so I turn to the only thing I think I can afford to do: go for titles. And yet, it turns out that Kind of a Big Deal is all I get, with no way of differentiating whether it's just the grinding/gold-sink drunkard, sweet tooth and promotion points or the more dedicated legendary titles. This whole thing makes my HoM rather empty and disappointing.

I don't grind HA. I've found out that I'd have to grind HA for *forever* in order to display that title. I've got 11 max titles. I can't display anything for that either. I can't win either way.

If the capability to display the title exists, but acquiring sufficient levels in the title isn't feasible, the capability might as well not exist.

As such, turning this into a complaint that HoM is biased against PvE-ers is totally unwarranted IMO. It's no better for the PvP-ers, except for those with both exceptional skills and the kind of time necessary to grind Legendary Vanquisher fifteen times over.

Komradkyle · Aug 28, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Yeah PVE players need represented in hall with actual titles

Buster · Aug 28, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

I saw in the Hall of Monuments that you needed to upgrade your heroes armor in order to put them in the Fellowship area. How will we be able to upgrade are new heroes armor ?

Shadowspawn X · Aug 28, 2007, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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Originally Posted by Karlos

This is another chapter in ANet's long history of favoring PvP players over PvE players. It's (to me) the ultimate slap in the face that ANet tells me that my character and her 20+ titles (which are going to be 30 or so in GW:EN) is less of an achievement than a guy who Fame farmed rank 9 in Heroes' Ascent. Just absolutely and utterly ridiculous. The nice little paragraph about my ele on the plaque doesn't cut it, for me.

I don't see your point,because nothing you posted here is even true. First off the very 1st thing you see when you click on the monument of honor is your " Leather Bound Books " title so how are you not getting recognized? Secondly the guy who farmed R9 in Heroes Ascent doesn't even qualify for the HoM since you must be R12. If you are going to whine please base it off of reality and not your imagination , posts like this take credibility away from the real issues of HoM. We can't get stuff fixed if people whine about issues that don't exist.

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Originally Posted by Karlos

I believe certain high-level PvE titles should be placed on those plaques, Legendary Cartographer, Legendary Vanquisher, Legendary Skill Hunter Legendary Guardian and the Maxed Titles track to name a few.

So the HoM can become the cluttered mess I have to look at when I hit "H" to view my titles? No thanks I'll pass on that.

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Originally Posted by Buster

I saw in the Hall of Monuments that you needed to upgrade your heroes armor in order to put them in the Fellowship area. How will we be able to upgrade are new heroes armor ?

Deldrimor Armor Remnants, must be a new challenge mission reward.

Jesse · Aug 28, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by Karlos

We have a guildie who got rank 10 in HA in 1.5 months, that's less than it took her to get 15 maxed titles, how can less work be recongized more?

Rank 10 in 1 and a half months is more of an achievement than any PvE person could ever think of. I dont care how much repetetive farming or map grinding you do....dealing with real people in a match against them and playing heros ascent and getting 10k+ fame in 1.5 months is harder than getting 20+ max titles let alone even if that is possible. I have been playing HA after i weened off pve with People Know Me and all the goodies and have been at it for about 4 months. I am r7 close to r8 so dont tell me pvp is easier or takes less time because i know it dosent. Think before you speak. k Thanks

Sharkman · Aug 28, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

I would reccomend that anyone who has the May 2007 issue of PC Gamer to reread the column on the Hall of Monuments. I cant directly quote it, but it says that it is actively built by doing quests, not to mention the titles it lists. If you reread it, I am sure there will be little doubt in your mind that what we saw in the preview event was a fully upgraded Hall.

Karlos · Aug 28, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by Jesse

Rank 10 in 1 and a half months is more of an achievement than any PvE person could ever think of. I dont care how much repetetive farming or map grinding you do....dealing with real people in a match against them and playing heros ascent and getting 10k+ fame in 1.5 months is harder than getting 20+ max titles let alone even if that is possible. I have been playing HA after i weened off pve with People Know Me and all the goodies and have been at it for about 4 months. I am r7 close to r8 so dont tell me pvp is easier or takes less time because i know it dosent. Think before you speak. k Thanks

Find me where I said PvP is easier than PvE. k thanks.

Dannzzigg · Aug 28, 2007, 04:51 AM // 04:51

I haven't read all of the discussion, but I certainly believe that there should be the ability to display PvE titles in the HoM.

KillaKarl · Aug 28, 2007, 04:59 AM // 04:59

WE NEED GAILE CLARIFICATION, are we getting our pve titles in HOM or NOT, because if this game truly is equally friendly to both PVP and PVE, then there is no reason why we shouldnt have our pve titles in the HoM

ShdwDrake · Aug 28, 2007, 05:04 AM // 05:04

I hate it 2... I dont PvE when I go into the game all I do is PvE, I tried PvP... not my thing. I shouldnt get 'punished' for that my achievements in the PvE environments should also be recognized.

BlueNovember · Aug 28, 2007, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by Karlos

Find me where I said PvP is easier than PvE. k thanks.

You cited an example of someone who (amazingly o0) got r10 in 1 1/2 months, implying that it was a trivial achievement.

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Originally Posted by Karlos

I know a LOT of people how are R6 and R9 from "Fame Farming." They don't come up with builds, they don't spend countless hours designing ingenius builds that win Halls, all they do is pug to R3 running cookie cutter builds.
... I am saying a LOT of people with R9 are not any more "talented" or special than those who sat in Urgoz/Doz [sic]/FoW/Tombs running cookie cutter builds to farm for greens or cash or whatever.
Most of them flash their kitties (tiger emotes) to tray and cast an aura of genius about themselves while actually most of them just run whatever FotM build that will get them the most fame. ... it's all about fame per minute (See: IWAY).
...trying to win and hold HoH to trying to farm fame to /rank each other. From that point on, less and les of what goes on in HA is about creativity and more and more is about farming and running cookie cutter builds that are "idiot proof."

Yeah, of course, once you have a good build, no skill is required whatsoever. You just zone in and out of HA and grind it. :\

Why should HA be about creativity? You play builds that work, regardless of how "lame" they are.

For someone who doesn't want this to turn into a flame war you sure are putting a lot of logs on the fire. Let's drop the patronisation and arrogance if we're going to discuss this properly.

That said, I do agree with you. My interests in the HoM are limited (GW2 is heading down the WoW path), but I certainly was expecting the Monument of Honour to feature at leastr some pve titles.

Vanessa Dwager · Aug 28, 2007, 12:13 PM // 12:13

I have this theory. When prophecies came out it seemed like it was constantly trying to get you to practice for pvp. In order to leave pre-searing you have to pvp another team. When you go to post ascalon city there was a pvp arena, yaks bend had a pvp arena, Lions Arch had that boat to random team arena, the hedge had Fort koga (though i joined after they took it out but not before they did the zaishen thing), then you hit the desert and all three missions were HoHish. Once you beat yourself, ta da! HoH. If you didn't go directly to the HoH Droks forge had a teams arena. Yeah, you could beat the Lich, but after that what did you have? There was no faction, no nightfall. Most people HoHed, I did/tried.

Then they came out with factions and later Nightfall and then switched the pvp to the isles. I see this HoM pvp titles only as being a throwback to the Prophecies days, considering it's attached to it.

I don't agree with the pvp only titles though.

cataphract · Aug 28, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

The biggest joke of HoM isn't the high pvp ranks needed or the utter lack of pve title display. It's naming the pvp plaque (drums) HONOR.
You gotta love the irony of THAT one.

Chrono Re delle Ere · Aug 28, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

It is just like HA; I mean, why the hell after you win a pvp match, you should get high end pve items? That is nonsense. And it is the same with the titles. Why anet doesn't make just something like this? ->

1)PvE Players cannot access pvp areas.
2)Winning the HA gives you tournament points to achieve new pvp skins.
3)PvE titles in HOM.

I think this would be nice.

Vel · Aug 28, 2007, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Was in vault for 50+ minutes and then left..HA is reallllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy popular.

Honestly, it took me 4 days to get to r6 from r3 and took me more than a month to get legendary vanquisher. after that i gained fame but at my own leisure. will also get a tiger soon but, I don't think you can just grind to get legendary vanquisher or guardian title. However, you can surely grind your way to r9 hero in HA or sync in RA to get high level glad as it stands today.

Dougal Kronik · Aug 28, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

The HoM definitely needs to be tweaked to allow PvE titles to be displayed.