Curse

Celestial_Kitsune · Aug 30, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09

That true purpose and identity of that creature will be revealed in GW2 according to this developer. See this thread for some nice pictures of the beast.

ShadowbaneX · Aug 30, 2007, 06:06 AM // 06:06

I've had a couple of ideas about that beast. Namely that it was teleported (along with the water that made the lake) from somewhere else, perhaps the original ocean that was there before it became the Crystal Desert. Once it was there it was quickly, perhaps even flash, -frozen.

As for how it was frozen, you ever wonder how a frozen glacial mountain range managed to run so far south, when, on either side of it, there's temporate climate? I have, and I think that part of the solution is in the shrine to Lyssa in the Mineral Springs. There are two giant...I don't know what they are, but they're magical and judging from the way that one is half frozen in the pool that is there, I'm guessing that they have something to do with it...especially in a place called mineral springs, which usually involve water heated from geothermal energy and are usually quite hot.

If that beast was teleported from an ocean, to that spot, and then shortly after those things tipped over and frozen the shiverpeaks, that would account for it being frozen in the lake.

Thomas.knbk · Aug 30, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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Originally Posted by Aerv

I don't care what it is, as long as I get to fight it and I get a mini-pet of it.

So that mini pet would still be the size of a real life glint mirite?

Redfeather1975 · Aug 30, 2007, 06:21 AM // 06:21

It's Dhuum's pet turtle.
Mr. Wiggles. XD

Clord · Aug 30, 2007, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Maybe it is Dhuum who earned in time another name and got imprisoned eventually. Then another chance is that it is in fact "the great Dwarf" but then Dwarves get confused from look. Developers however say that they give hints during GW:EN who he is but they reveal it officially when GW2 comes out.

Pwny Ride · Aug 30, 2007, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Well one thing is for certain. This creature, whatever, and whoever it is, was not originally a sea creature. Why would there a forest frozen along with it? I makes little sense, if any at all.

Something would have had to hold that thing in place, and as for any teleportation theores, i doubt there had been any magic (or technology for all we know) that powerful to transport something of such mass over that long of a distance. And then where is what was the sister link of the teleporter?
Abaddon isnt even as big.

Now the Giganticus where enemies of the gods, the rivals, those of near equal power, whether it be magically, mentally or physically. Comparing the size to Abaddon, i'd say he is serverely out-matched, although there isnt no proof to this argument, since we didnt see all of Abaddon, and he was in a weakened form/state.

I'm all open for the Dhumm theory, the description of what Grenth did to Dhumm seems to nearly completely match what has appeared to happen here, but how did the water get there? Abaddon was the god of Water (in a sense of actual water, not so much the magic that water elementalists embue now) at the time (i wont say secrets as of yet), he would easily be able to conjure such a mass at one time. But why would Abaddon do this? Well from what i can see there is no lore as of yet involving both Grenth and Abaddon (unless this was before both gods took up their second mantle, Grenth taking on death and Abaddon taking on knowledge/secrets, it may have been a team-plan to get into the circle of the gods).

Well a theory for this is a deal. In return for Dhumm's military forces, which would increase Abaddon's overall power against his/her opressors, which would possibly ensure Abaddon's victory, Abaddon would break the seal on Dhumm, and release him from his icy prison. But of course all did not go to plan,and Dhumm will remain sealed till over 250 years from now. Yea i'd be pissed, but what is time to a god?

This would expain why we are to fight the forces of Menzies in Eye of the North, and that there is no mention of Dhumm, one of the key players in the trio's (Abaddon's, Menzies' and Dhumm's) invasion on the world of the free.

As they always say, save the best till last.

arcanemacabre · Aug 30, 2007, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

Now the Giganticus where enemies of the gods, the rivals, those of near equal power, whether it be magically, mentally or physically. Comparing the size to Abaddon, i'd say he is serverely out-matched, although there isnt no proof to this argument, since we didnt see all of Abaddon, and he was in a weakened form/state.

Where did you read that? The only instance I could find where the lore discusses Giganticus Lupicus is simply saying they were there, they were huge, they died off and their bones can still be found. That's it. Nothing about them doing anything, much less being enemies of the gods or equal in power.

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

I'm all open for the Dhumm theory, the description of what Grenth did to Dhumm seems to nearly completely match what has appeared to happen here, but how did the water get there? Abaddon was the god of Water (in a sense of actual water, not so much the magic that water elementalists embue now) and Secrets at the time, he would easily be able to conjure such a mass at one time. But why would Abaddon do this?

I didn't realize Abaddon was the God of Water, that's interesting. Still, Grenth was and still is god of ice and death, unless of course it is Dhuum, who would have been god of death. Perhaps before that, Grenth was simply the god of ice? If so, it would explain why he would incase Dhuum in ice, seeing as that would be his main ability. I don't think "water" plays into it, per se.

TedTheShred · Aug 30, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that the storyline of GW:EN will be not unlike the story of Ragnarök, seeing as how much emphasis is being put into the Norse themes.

The first three chapters of Guild Wars were in essence the G-Dub equivalent of Fimbulwinter (Three successive winters with no summer between that will drive the world of man mad brother killling brother and so on and so forth.) I mean I know it didn't snow a whole lot but they were metaphorical winters. Come on, open your English text from time to time.

The sun the moon and the stars will be devoured and an endless night will fall (ie. Nightfall) then the earth will tremble with a ferocity the tears the ground open and Loki and his fire breathing son Fenrir will emerge.

Yadda Yadda Yadda. I dont want to wreck any of the storyline for you in case I happen to be right on the money here.

ANYWAY I believe that the Drakkar would be in essence a representation of Jörmungandr, the giant serpent that rises from the sea to do battle with Odin's son Thor, resulting in the death of the aforementioned serpent and the legendary god of thunder and battle.

He's not the big boss, but he may do away with someone important to the storyline.

Swish.

arcanemacabre · Aug 30, 2007, 08:50 AM // 08:50

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Originally Posted by TedTheShred

He's not the big boss, but he may do away with someone important to the storyline.

First off, it's not a sea, but a huge block of ice. Yes, yes, metaphorical and all that, regardless, the point remains. Secondly, it has already been said that this creature will not make an appearance or even be explained until GW2. So, if it happens, it will not have anything to do with GWEN.

I'm also not linking the rest of what you're saying to much in GW. I doubt the storyline was that well thought out from the beginning so as to mirror such epic mythologies. It would be nice to think that, but I doubt it. I mean, metaphorical winters? Explain, please, because I just don't get that one.

TedTheShred · Aug 30, 2007, 09:04 AM // 09:04

Times of strife and conflict when the world is cold and bitter.

ie. The Rise of the Lich, The Return of Shiro, The Revenge of Abbadon.

Spoiler

I was thinking that the Drakkar was the Jörmungandr because he "poisoned" Jora's brother.

However, I am beginnning to think it may be Nidhogg, the dragon that nibbled at the roots of the world tree, a harbinger to the conflict rather than an active member of the final battle.

arcanemacabre · Aug 30, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by TedTheShred

Times of strife and conflict when the world is cold and bitter.

ie. The Rise of the Lich, The Return of Shiro, The Revenge of Abbadon.

How were any of those situations "a time... when the world is cold and bitter?"

If anything, it brought everyone together to fight common enemies, not tearing them apart. The only real conflicts were White Mantle vs. Shining Blade. Kourna vs. Istan was mild, was going to happen anyway, and was short-lived till they knew who the real enemy was. Kurzick vs. Luxon had been happening for a long time and actually joined forces when Shiro came back.

So yeah, still don't see it.

TedTheShred · Aug 30, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Your too easily dismissing the sole conflicts of all three games as mild disagreements, the entire point of each chapter was that a terrible strife was ravaging the world.

Marth Reynolds · Aug 30, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35

He'll probaly return to live in gw2 and notice the lack of ice due to global warming.

he'll then open a ice shop with ridiculous prices just because he can keep it cooled at the bottom of the lake

Sword Liger · Aug 30, 2007, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Man I hope we get to slay that thing *sharpens axe*

arcanemacabre · Aug 30, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by TedTheShred

Your too easily dismissing the sole conflicts of all three games as mild disagreements, the entire point of each chapter was that a terrible strife was ravaging the world.

You said "Three successive winters with no summer between that will drive the world of man mad brother killling brother and so on and so forth." and claim it is similar to what has happened in GW so far. I disagree. The events that happened did not bring about the madness of man "brother killing brother." That is my point. These "winters" didn't cause inner strife - they directly caused the destruction of much of the world of man, but not inner turmoil or strife. That is where the stories differ, and that is a major point.

I did not say anything about the conflicts being "mild disagreements," either. They were wars - full-out bloody wars in many instances. I did say they had nothing, or little to do with the events that plagued the lands of Tyria. Honestly, the only one you can say truly was directly caused by the evil influence was the plague that mutated people in Cantha due to Shiro's return.

TedTheShred · Aug 30, 2007, 10:45 AM // 10:45

I admit, the phrase brother vs brother was going a little far.

Are you saying that the Titans did not influence the Mursaat and the Charr to destroy Ascalon and enslave Tyria, that the Lich did not ravage the lands with droves of undead, that Abbadon did not manipulate his followers to wreak havoc upon Elona? Evil influence is everywhere.

What I meant by winters was the three major events in the world of Tyria that caused chaos and destruction rivaling and even surpassing the conflicts of times before. The fact that there were three in succession mirrored the story of the prelude to Ragnarok which was Fimbulwinter: three brutal winters that caused conflict in the world of man.

The quote you chose was not my description of the conflicts that carried on for three chapters, but rather what I have learned was the result of Fimbulwinter.

Etta · Aug 30, 2007, 10:50 AM // 10:50

Just imagin if that thing will be awake in GW2. How will we fight something that big? The Azuras gonna have to build some really big robots to fight it. It'll be like Transformers VS Godzilla.

TedTheShred · Aug 30, 2007, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Understand that I am not suggesting that GW:EN will word for word follow the story of Ragnarök; instead that A-Net has taken inspiration from classic mythos. They have done this through topics ranging from historical legends to popular culture references. For example, the Tengu are derived from ancient myths about Half-Bird men in the lands of the far east, and the Asura are most likely derived from the hit television show Stargate SG-1 (in SG-1 the asurans are a mysterious, never seen race in an alliance with the ancients, a race of people who built rings that allowed travel across the galaxy.).

All I'm saying is that there is a good chance that the frozen Drakkar could easily be a translation of some part of the story of Ragnarök: the epic battle immortalized in all norse lore, to which I draw many similarities with the story so far. Be it someone as pivotal as the Jorgmunder, or a simple harbinger of things to come such as Nidhogg.

arcanemacabre · Aug 30, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by TedTheShred

Are you saying that the Titans did not influence the Mursaat and the Charr to destroy Ascalon and enslave Tyria, that the Lich did not ravage the lands with droves of undead, that Abbadon did not manipulate his followers to wreak havoc upon Elona? Evil influence is everywhere.

Quite a few things wrong here. The Titans didn't influence anyone. They patiently waited for someone to free them - cause they had no choice. The Lich did (inadvertently) ravage Kryta with undead, but Shining Blade vs. White Mantle was going on long before that. Abaddon didn't manipulate anyone - his followers freely worshiped him and did his bidding. The only people that were manipulated, of sorts, were Varesh's Kournan soldiers, specifically Morghan, who blindly followed her because of her lineage.

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Originally Posted by TedTheShred

What I meant by winters was the three major events in the world of Tyria that caused chaos and destruction rivaling and even surpassing the conflicts of times before. The fact that there were three in succession mirrored the story of the prelude to Ragnarok which was Fimbulwinter: three brutal winters that caused conflict in the world of man.

They weren't "in succession," at all. In fact much of it happened at about the same time. For instance, the battle against the Lich and the battle against Shiro took place at roughly the same time according to the story. The fact that we can influence both is a testament to the odd layout of GW itself. The fact that you can do things out of order and go back in time to do earlier missions. The only thing that was afterwards was the torment areas of Nightfall.

There may be a few similarities, but nowhere near enough to consider it a "mirror" of mythology. Like I said before, I just don't see it.

R!ghteous Ind!gnation · Aug 30, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

One thing is certain, the depth of the world and the lore make GW an awesome game.