Curse

freekedoutfish · Aug 27, 2007, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Dude seriously!

It took me a grand total of just two days (saturday to sunday) to get my Norn rank to 7 "slayer of heroes", which is the required level for Norn armor.

You can get about 3-4k Norn points just farming and using bounties in Drakker Lake. It takes about 30-45 minutes a run. Im sure the same will apply to other areas for Drawf, Asura and Vanguard when its released fully.

I now have Norn elemental armor (search the post entitled "elemental Norn 10k armor"). If I can manage that in just 2 days (and I hate farming), then why cant you?

Seriously get over this dislike of having to actually put some effort in for armor!!!

I honestly worry about some people and their expentations to get stuff for free. Increasing titles in GWEN is the easiest thing to do EVER!! You have bounties, quest rewards and dungeon rewards FCS!! Its not hard!

And for that exact same reason, the Norn, Drawf, Asura and Vanguard titles DO NOT need to be account based. It takes absolutely no time or effort to increase your rank that its pointless making it account based. A single character will be able to increase their points easily amoung the 18 dungeons and countless quests and bounties.

Luxon and Kuzack titles are account based because its ALOT hard to earn faction points and rank levels are HUGE!!!!

Lets compare...

The max Norn rank needs 80,000 (we assume) or over.
The max luxon and kuzack titles needs 10,000,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read that... 10,000,000!!!!

...now come on!!!!

This is also concidering you only need rank 7 for 10k armor, which is only 56,000 points in GWEN!!! And as I said, I made 56,000 points in just 2 days of farming and that is when only having access to about 5% of the entire GWEN map!

Imagine how easily increasing rank will be once you have access to 100% and dozens of quests!

Another point is that you (presumably) entering GWEN after you complete a compaign or all compaigns. You will already have a max set of armor and you DONT need GWEN armor to progess. Its not like starting a whole new campaign where you NEED to get armor to survive.

You have alll the time in the world while playing through GWEN to increase ranks, and THEN you can get your armor. If you are wanting to start GWEN and get armor "right away" then yes this will annoy you, but tough!

For those who say increasing Norn, Drawf, Asura and Vanguard titles is grind... NO IT ISNT! Increasing faction is grind, increasing wisdom and treasure hunter is grind!

However this is not.. and why?

Because you increase rank by doing quests and dungeons and bounties! Which are the ENTIRE point of the game!! If you dislike doing the 100s of quests to increase your rank, or you consider doing 18 dungeons to increase rank then why are you playing this game?

The entire point of GWs PvE aspect is quests, missions and dungeons (now). If you think that is grind, then OMG!

By the time you reach the end or probably mid-way through GWEN chances are that you will be rank 7 anyway due to the all the rewards!

WarKaster · Aug 27, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Fact 1: I have only 86,000 Points int my Kurzik alliance track and I have had Factions since Day 1 which does not even equate Rank 1 in that title track.

Fact 2: After playing preview weekend for a grand total of 5 hours over the weekend and have Dwarven and Norn rank 2. Thats after only clearing out Drakkar Lake, doing the Norn Bear quest and Frost Maw's Burrow.

Really a grind....you guys are just trying to find something to complain about. Like every other person here has said if you play the game like almost everyone who is interested in actually exploring in the game and grabbing the Shrine Bonuses along the way I can almost guarantee you will have enough points to get your Armor before you finish the game.

Also for some reason everyone who is already complaining some how where totally in the dark about the fact that it was preview weekend and that about 90% of the game content was still locked. Look at the GW:EN map. Look at how much is left unexplored in the Norn area alone. Just wait until Friday play the game for a week or two then do it. Who knows maybe then your complaints will have a foundation to stand on.

vikdog · Aug 27, 2007, 11:58 PM // 23:58

We only saw a small part of the game. Its entirely possible that later areas of the game let you get faction points much quicker.

Complaining about it now would be like complaining about how slow it is to get Sunspear points if all you had played was the noob island in Nightfall - it gets much easier to get points later in the game.

Series · Aug 28, 2007, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Hooray for grind!

Dervish Gnome · Aug 28, 2007, 12:37 AM // 00:37

It could be that only during the Preview was the armor acquisition so high to discourage farming points. Maybe when GW:EN goes live it will be a rank lower or so. Personally, getting the points isn't that difficult since farming the points is simple (areas range from 2k-3.5k points per hour).

Series · Aug 28, 2007, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

It could be that only during the Preview was the armor acquisition so high to discourage farming points. Maybe when GW:EN goes live it will be a rank lower or so. Personally, getting the points isn't that difficult since farming the points is simple (areas range from 2k-3.5k points per hour).

That's what I am hoping, they just didn't want everyone and their mothers getting Norn armor before the game was even released.

Tranquilis · Aug 28, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by Dervish Gnome

It could be that only during the Preview was the armor acquisition so high to discourage farming points.

Wrong psychology... If there's no reward for grinding, no one will grind. Setting a high grind value on a sought-after reward absolutely guarantees people will grind like mad.

LifeInfusion · Aug 28, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

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Originally Posted by neooki

Grinding, lol I say, these titles are no grind, its just some people want things in life too easy. You want a new car, you have to grind at work, save up money to buy it. You want that new 15k prestige armor, you have to grind for the materials, gold etc, maybe even a little faction.

Life not = GW.

Armor should require rank 1 like Luxon/Kurzick skills, IMO. ON top of rank1 in the title, it should have a quest requirement like the minigames (Norn fighting tourney) or depend on the quest line.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilis

If there's no reward for grinding, no one will grind. Setting a high grind value on a sought-after reward absolutely guarantees people will grind like mad.

If they removed the high requirement, the reward for grinding reputation is the factional Norn/Aura/Vanguard/ Dwarf skills getting better.

freekedoutfish · Aug 28, 2007, 09:08 AM // 09:08

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Life not = GW.

Armor should require rank 1 like Luxon/Kurzick skills, IMO. ON top of rank1 in the title, it should have a quest requirement like the minigames (Norn fighting tourney) or depend on the quest line.

If they removed the high requirement, the reward for grinding reputation is the factional Norn/Aura/Vanguard/ Dwarf skills getting better.

Rank 1 faction is 1000 points.
Rank 7 Norn, Drawf, Asura and Vangaurd is 5600 points.

Your only talking 5 times more and Norn, etc points are ALOT easier to achieve them luxon andd Kuzack.

You get upwards of 100+ species points for quests and dungeons in GWEN, so you only need to do about 56 quests (give or take) and some dungeons to have enough for armor.

This isnt going to take your life away to reach rank 7, I mean it took me 2 days of about 10-15 runs in Drakka Lake to get to rank 7 Norn.

Do you not think Anet would purposely add enough quests, with enough rewards and enough dungeon rewards to make it easy to reach rank 7 by the time you are 3/4 way through game?

Anet arent cruel, they like to make things easy to achieve.

You dont need this armor straight off when you start, because people should already have 1 or 2 max sets of armor when they start.

You have more then enough time to just casually play the game, earn points, incraese ranks and THEN get the armor when you have enough.

The people who are winging and complaining, are those who want to rush into the game, get the armor straight away and then just prance around in LA going "look at me, I have Norn armor, ahaha"!

Well news flash.. I've been walking around LA in ele Norn armor for days and no body has noticed!

You dont need this armor straight away, so give it time to earn the ranks you need and there are enough quests and dungeons to do that.

Uber Mass · Aug 28, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Its fine as it is work for you armor thats the way i like it just take time and effort to get the rank required....
Im gonna do every single quest on my main char and going for the ebon vanguard title starting from friday it will take time and take work but imho its playing the game as it should be.... No need to change or lower requirments for the game imho

Marth Reynolds · Aug 28, 2007, 09:41 AM // 09:41

You know that you can get max 750 norn points a dungeon, right?

i've seen only dwarven reputation hunt in the dungeons and the quest rewards give up to 750 points :/
i'm hoping they will have some dungeons in dwarven territory for getting norn hunts or like somone else said here points for completion of the campaign.

If we get neither of those, youre probaly stuck to doing these ares we had acces to now for norn points and nothing else :/

SetsunaSamurai · Aug 28, 2007, 10:12 AM // 10:12

Cry more, folks. I got Slayer of Giants (Rank 4) just playing this weekend casually.
Remember to grab the Hunts before you run off to do your quests and those points build up really fast.

WarKaster · Aug 28, 2007, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by SetsunaSamurai

Cry more, folks. I got Slayer of Giants (Rank 4) just playing this weekend casually.
Remember to grab the Hunts before you run off to do your quests and those points build up really fast.

"Really Fast is nice.......but I want it them now!!"

How dare you suggest that people play the game as it was intended an not rush through everything in 24 hours only to complain about what they are going to do next. How dare you sir!!!

But seriously Samurai is right get the blessings at the res shrines and before you know it POOF!!!!! R7

ReZDoGG · Aug 28, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

I agree the title should be lowered to atleast lvl 4 for each. There are alot of people that would love armor, but are not hardcore enough to farm countless hours for points... Top it off, you have to do it for each character that you want armor. Some people do have lives that do sleep and eat. lol Not everyone sits there in play guildwars for 3 days straight without sleep.. those people need help. Level 7 title is jus too much work to get some new armor and make the most outta GwEN.

I do agree that they probably put the titles so high so everyone did'nt get Norn armor over the weekend. I hope so. I think lvl 4 title would be reasonable, still take along time... but alot easier than lvl 7.

Ravi · Aug 28, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG

I agree the title should be lowered to atleast lvl 4 for each. There are alot of people that would love armor, but are not hardcore enough to farm countless hours for points... Top it off, you have to do it for each character that you want armor. Some people do have lives that do sleep and eat. lol Not everyone sits there in play guildwars for 3 days straight without sleep.. those people need help. Level 7 title is jus too much work to get some new armor and make the most outta GwEN.

I do agree that they probably put the titles so high so everyone did'nt get Norn armor over the weekend. I hope so. I think lvl 4 title would be reasonable, still take along time... but alot easier than lvl 7.

excuse me sir, but getting r7 is not hardcore and its doable, getting r7 fast that's hardcore, and still, some people managed to do it in a weekend, the titles are fine as they are.

ALICE WInterLand · Aug 28, 2007, 07:35 PM // 19:35

i think its fine....well, first of all this expanstion is meant for veteran..by doing quest exploring dungeons. and farming..it really easy to achieve tat.before i knew it.i am already on lvl 3 norn....i think maybe half a day or 1 day u can reach tat 50...doing quest and farming stuff.Its easy...the only thing i am concern is the material..i hope its not freakishly expensive like my vabbi

freekedoutfish · Aug 28, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG

I agree the title should be lowered to atleast lvl 4 for each. There are alot of people that would love armor, but are not hardcore enough to farm countless hours for points... Top it off, you have to do it for each character that you want armor. Some people do have lives that do sleep and eat. lol Not everyone sits there in play guildwars for 3 days straight without sleep.. those people need help. Level 7 title is jus too much work to get some new armor and make the most outta GwEN.

I do agree that they probably put the titles so high so everyone did'nt get Norn armor over the weekend. I hope so. I think lvl 4 title would be reasonable, still take along time... but alot easier than lvl 7.

I have to argree that getting rank 7 doest not require hardcore play. It takes no more then 10-15 farming runs in Drakkar Lake to get to rank 7 if you do it properly!

You can get 3-4k each run!

Thats not hard core gaming. Are you telling me that between your life away from the game, you cant find the time to do maybe do 2 or 3 runs a day or night?

It would take about a week at most doing it casually, and even just by playng the game you will also get reward from quests aswell!

This is norn points im talking about mind, but im certain the other racial points will work the same way!

Mohnzh · Aug 28, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

What I am surprised at is that people were even ABLE to get all the way to getting the new armor during the preview weekend. I would have thought that they would have made it a little tougher, but I guess everyone will max out EotN way too fast. If ANYBODY could get that far during a PREVIEW, then it is too easy already. It should not be called a PREview anymore. Oh well, I hope the game still poses a challenge.

Diablo™ · Aug 28, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

At this point, 80,000 seems like alot is because we had only 2~3 days to play the game. Once it's released, we have plenty of time, and plenty of ways to acquire such reputations.

Remember, beating Bison automatically gives you 100 rep!

silvershock · Aug 28, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by mikez himself

because every player in guild wars loves grinding.

..

I just wish I could walk into lions arch, snap my fingers and have a heap of 15k armors spawn in front of me. Then suddenly i would get stuffed with ecto's and ripped to pieces by all the obsidian shard flying around the air. Then when I respawn, i get my nuts chopped of by a crystaline sword, and a chaos axe flies inches from my neck. Then gwen and some snowmen would pick all that crap up for me, deposit it in my storage chest which has 1000000 spaces, and mallyx would come by, say hello and give me all his items.

And you know why?

BECAUSE GRINDING SUUUUUUUUCCCKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSS

I don't wanna spent ages getting this or getting that, i have more to do then waste my entire day on guild wars!