Curse

Thargor · Aug 27, 2007, 10:33 AM // 10:33

I really don't see the problem with the titles. Honestly, there are people that got the armor already, thats 56K points in less than 3 days. Doesn't seem that it will be very hard to get the titles maxed out. I played for 8-10 hours total for the whole event and was able to get thru 3 of the dungeons and almost all the quests done and still came out with 4000 points and missed alot of extra points by not going around to all the shrines and grabbing the bonus points.

Sounds like business as usual around here, everyone crying about the most useless things.

Takeko Nakano · Aug 27, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

I think there should be a points requirement, but I do wonder if 56k is a little high. Maybe 20k or something.

On a side-note the Norn female warrior armour looks horrible if this is the real picture:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Image...rn_armor_f.jpg

Does anyone have an in-game picture to confirm/deny this?

Angelica · Aug 27, 2007, 10:47 AM // 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallomik

You get reputations points for just about everything you do in Eye of the North - including the underground dungeons. They rock, by the way -- gorgeous and challenging, but not impossible. There are relatively short ones (Sepulcre of Dragrimmar) and longer ones (Frostmaw's Burrows). There is a chest at the end with a guaranteed decent gold. I got a req 9 icy blade axe and a diamond from Frostmaw in addition to more than 1,000 reputation points. The quests in these dungeons are repeatable giving gold, experience and reputation points.

You can make the argument that the Luxon points require grind, because you only get points for AB'ing and questing and exploring certain areas of Cantha. In EotN, you get rep points for just playing the game.

I actually like the idea that no one can Ebay their Gwen armor. If you define what you need to do to get reputation points as "grind", you're basically saying "playing Guild Wars is grind." I do not agree with that.

I would like to know who told you that, there is a chest at the end with a guaranteed decent gold.? Because I got a purple useless crap out of it! :P

PS. I must add that I play the game the way I like/wish ... no one is forcing me to farm/grind and I don't care about titles or the looks of armour. I enjoy the scenary so much I can hardly wait to see the rest of it!
I'm the queen of purple!

Traveller · Aug 27, 2007, 10:54 AM // 10:54

My two cents: In previous campaigns elite armor hasn't been available at the beginning, but rather in the later parts of the game. So, it has been a time investment to reach the armor crafter - but on the other hand, you progress in the game as well as you try to reach it.

Prophecies: Sure, you can get run, but I'd figure most have gone the long way as well to build their characters.

Factions: You have to do the 10k faction quest before you reach the elite armor towns, let alone Canthan 15k where you have to beat the game. Again, time restriction, and you also progress along in the game.

Nightfall: Sunspeark 15k was available rather quickly, that was a surprise. Rest of the elite sets were available along the way, as you went through the game. Again, a time spent restriction, with progress coming as well.

See the pattern? This time, the formula seems to be that you reach the actual crafter fast, but have to do additional stuff besides fork up the money for the armor. Now, I see this in a lore sense - the various factions want you to prove yourself to them before they give you their l33t stuff.

Since we've just seen the preview, I won't cast my final judgment yet. The key question is this: Will the time spent by playing through the campaign net you enough reputation points to reach the ranks required to craft stuff, or do you have to grind additional points otherwise?

That's what we'll have to find out.

trobinson97 · Aug 27, 2007, 11:20 AM // 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angelica

I would like to know who told you that, there is a chest at the end with a guaranteed decent gold.? Because I got a purple useless crap out of it! :P

I saw a guildie complain about that and even though it's for a different subject, that is what really needs to be changed. The dungeons are challenging, but not impossible and no one should have to worry about getting a purple anything from that big shiny gold chest at the end. I understand locked chests, but Every item should be gold or a rare material if it comes from the end of those dungeons.

As for the Norn title, in my opinion, it's really no grind. I did not do a lot of grinding (I did do about 2 hours of Nornbear just to get to Wurms to check out the weapons) in the three day sneak peek but still ending up with 30k faction for the Norn title track, and 8k for the Dwarves.

allience · Aug 27, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

u can't reach r5 norn by doing 2 hours of nornbear quest. a run takes 15mins and gives u 500 points.

that makes 4k in 2 hours and you need 26k for r5. let's say you were extremly lucky and managed to avoid all aggro and do all the runs in 10 mins. that gives u 6k norn points in 2 hours. plz stop lieing about the things you post.

as for the dungeons, you get Dwarf points from the enemy u kill there, not norn. the only norn thing u get is the reward for completing the quest which is 750points for frostmaw. it takes about 1.5 hour average if you're fast.

i grinded to r5 norn and it is GRIND. i didn't enjoy it and i think it's a lame requirement. i gave up on r7, thinking to grind more when the game is out because frankly, i got fed up by the same areas over and over.

i think it was better to just have the crafters later in the game. it's a nice surprise to progress through the game and find the crafters. but now, just gotta stay in 1 place and grind...... as ppl mentioned before, what we seen in the preview is likely almost the entire norn area.

Perfected Shadow · Aug 27, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by malko050987

Oh, and a big NO for making the rep titles account-based. I don't see how that would work in the game world. I mean, Character X did all the quests, so it's him/her that should have the rewards for it, not character Y, who reached level 20 just five minutes ago and has only the Boreal Outpost on the map.

It's a game world like you said. So how about it was Player X who did all the work, so Player X's work should be reflected on all Player X's chars. I don't know much about reputation titles but even if they're easy to work on, doing them N times (if you have N chars) seems heavy grind to me. N > 1 for me, so I want these titles to be account based especially since there are what, at least 4 of them? (Asura, Norn, Deldrimor, Ebon Vanguard or something)

zwei2stein · Aug 27, 2007, 11:49 AM // 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thargor

I really don't see the problem with the titles. Honestly, there are people that got the armor already, thats 56K points in less than 3 days. Doesn't seem that it will be very hard to get the titles maxed out. I played for 8-10 hours total for the whole event and was able to get thru 3 of the dungeons and almost all the quests done and still came out with 4000 points and missed alot of extra points by not going around to all the shrines and grabbing the bonus points.

Yes, those people grinded their ass of with nonbear pepeatable quest, 25 hours in row at least.

Given that playing throught all quests, dungeons and getting blessings nets you about 15k points, what are you supposed to do after that?

And dont tell me that I should "work" for that armor or whatever. One would think that actually getting enough to pay for that armor is ... suficient.

---

Most people also dont get one fact: Good design should be where everything comes naturally.

I.E. To obtain armors, doing all quests and exploring all dungeons/areas once should net enough of whatever to get it.

AS it stands, for 15k points to necesary amount, its just keeping people busy and online, but not entertained. One could play StatBuilder to get same entertaiment value.

I just dont understand why - it not like anet needs to keep people online to pay montlies or anything.

(btw: obsidian armor/vabbian armor costs are fine, mostly because they can be outsorced to other characters, i.e. character better at farming or simply character having spot in teambuilds)

omens · Aug 27, 2007, 12:09 PM // 12:09

As Traveller said its just a different kinda of work needed to get the armour, and something to keep us busy until gw2 comes out. If getting the armour took 2 hours then you would have it all in a weekend.

I grinded for the armour this weekend, and you can get it quicker than you would think, it took me 2 days of grinding, about 30k from the nornbear quest, which only takes 5-6 mins not 15. Hell someone in my guild said a mate of his got 46k rep in one day alone. Really this is the same sort of time investment as beating factions or nightfall for the armour. If you do the quest in 6 mins, which was my average it will take 11.5 hours to get from 0 to 56k rep.

trobinson97 · Aug 27, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by allience

u can't reach r5 norn by doing 2 hours of nornbear quest. a run takes 15mins and gives u 500 points.

that makes 4k in 2 hours and you need 26k for r5. let's say you were extremly lucky and managed to avoid all aggro and do all the runs in 10 mins. that gives u 6k norn points in 2 hours. plz stop lieing about the things you post.

as for the dungeons, you get Dwarf points from the enemy u kill there, not norn. the only norn thing u get is the reward for completing the quest which is 750points for frostmaw. it takes about 1.5 hour average if you're fast.

i grinded to r5 norn and it is GRIND. i didn't enjoy it and i think it's a lame requirement. i gave up on r7, thinking to grind more when the game is out because frankly, i got fed up by the same areas over and over.

i think it was better to just have the crafters later in the game. it's a nice surprise to progress through the game and find the crafters. but now, just gotta stay in 1 place and grind...... as ppl mentioned before, what we seen in the preview is likely almost the entire norn area.

Lol, you calling me a liar? I keep forgetting this place is full of know-it-all idiots. Obviously, I already had rank four of the title, and I got that from doing quests and dungeons. When I found out that the rank I was headed to would let me be able to craft Norn weapons, I did the Nornbear quests for about 2 hours to get to the title. Stop being an asshole, try at least. I said I did not do a lot of grinding, and I did not, yet still got to rank 5.

Oh yeah, I don't know your player skill, but it has to be low if you couldn't finish Frostmaw in less than 1.5 hours. 45 minutes is even too long lol. An hour and a half, sorry but you suck man.

Another thing you seem to have forgotten is that in every explorable, there are Norn, sitting at shrines waiting to give you blessing for single creature you kill in that area. Every increment of 25 get you extra points, or a bonus for every creature (up to 4), plus the chance for a quick 200 if you kill a boss. Oh yeah, if you're a semi-intelligent person you'd wait before you talked to another Norn at another shrine because after a certain number of kills, they give you an extra 140 points. Oh, and then there are the quests and dungeons...

Now sure, if you're the kind of player that just needs instant gratification, then I can understand how getting those points would be grind to you. Me? i like to take my time, explore the area, get the most out of the experience, so nothing felt like a grind to me. I was at rank four before I knew it. If you don't like grind, then why did you grind idiot? To see the armor? don't worry about it next time, check wiki in a week and you will see it, no grind needed; maybe I will post a few screenshots for you.

Oh yeah, and to get back on track, I love the way they have it set up. The rank required to get armor really requires no grind, unless you just like grinding. Playing though this game intelligently will get you the rank needed I am pretty sure about that.

zwei2stein · Aug 27, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by trobinson97

Me? i like to take my time, explore the area, get the most out of the experience, so nothing felt like a grind to me. ....

I woder what will you tell when you are done with exploring and still not having enough points for armor.

Besides, rest of world does not exactly enjoy "exploring" areas over and over and over again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trobinson97

... If you don't like grind, then why did you grind idiot? To see the armor? don't worry about it next time, check wiki in a week and you will see it, no grind needed; maybe I will post a few screenshots for you.

What a way to put someone down, eh? Feeling big and great because you like doing that someone else does not?

Guess what, people wnating armors give shit about title, for them it is pointless. They want to wear armor, not title. Screenshots of your awesomeness dont exactly cut it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trobinson97

Oh yeah, and to get back on track, I love the way they have it set up. The rank required to get armor really requires no grind, unless you just like grinding. Playing though this game intelligently will get you the rank needed I am pretty sure about that.

Hint: Playing game inteligently does not equaling playing game like you do.

Playing game intelienlty and exhausting content without repeating it nets you 15k. Then what?

We have seen all of the norn area, there is nothign else to push titles up for you than possibly hardmode.

---

For someone so sure abot fact that ist not grind at all, you seems to defent it quite a lot for no reason.

Naylyn · Aug 27, 2007, 12:48 PM // 12:48

I point which has been missed here is the fact that once the game goes live we will be able to access the "hero journals" which will (as far as I could tell from what the NPC's who will be selling them have said) somehow increase the speed that reputations is gained. Once this is introduced it will be even easier to get the required points to get the armour.

Seissor · Aug 27, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarianaeneas

I sure hope the requirement is temporary. There's no way in hell I'm farming 56k points for each armor set I wanna get. If this requirement stays I might forget about getting GW:EN.

I played this weekend at a leisurely pace to amuse myself and I found just by doing normal stuff I acquired Slayer of Giants with ease. It took me only one night of omg must farm to acquire Slayer of Wurms. If I can go from 0 to 29k Norn in a weekend when I'm not deliberately grinding it just means it will take a full week of standard play or half a week of grind play to move from 0 to 56k Norn.

Now considering GW:EN is it for a while, do you really want everything served up and done in under 3 days? Or do you want GW:EN to last you a bit and have your grinding rewarded with new items, better skills etc.

I know 56k seems steep but its not like you're using sub par armor and only the norn guy gives you good stuff. It might even make the armor a little more prestigeous.

TGgold · Aug 27, 2007, 12:54 PM // 12:54

I'm on the side of keeping the titles as-is for now. Maybe a slight decrease if it proves that exploring/dungeon crawling/questions/doing missions doesn't prove to be quite enough.

Personally, I enjoyed exploring the zones. On the way, I had to fight many enemies. When I explored Vajer Fells, I ended up killing about 250 enemies, discovered one of those nifty secret-ish bosses, got a few golds (including my beloved sephis sword), upped my reputation by talking to Norn Guards and Collectors. I waited until the end to talk to the Guards again, though. Then they all gave me 140 Norn points. I ended up gaining about 4k Norn points from all of this, in maybe 1.2 hours of play. I really enjoyed taking in the scenary and appreciating all of ANET's work on this expansion.

On that note, if people just want to blaze through the game, like so many seem to, then they *should not* be allowed *prestige* armor. What did they do to earn the prestige of the Norn? If people think taking the quickest route from point A to point B, oftentimes avoiding aggro to save time, then are they really deserving of the Armor given by a people who treasure the Hunt?

I think if more people had the patience to really enjoy everything in the game, all the little easter eggs and whatnot, they would be a lot happier. Finding the random bosses with cool areas that *are not* required to kill because of a quest, that got me really excited. I know that I am definitely going to explore the other areas more thoroughly now.

That, and I really won't mind doing the dungeons with guildies more than once. I really don't feel like getting 56k points is going to be all that hard. And if I play the game as I choose to, with my wide-eyed wonder and appreciation for the area, and STILL do not have 56k towards the title track, only THEN will I complain.

trobinson97 · Aug 27, 2007, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Quote: