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Zahr Dalsk · Aug 28, 2007, 07:03 AM // 07:03

I'd like to comment that many people (myself included) did not purchase the pre-order and never even saw these skills (although I have read about them in gamewiki). So it seems a bit early to be discussing this when plenty of people in the game have not yet even had the opportunity to test their effectiveness in the game and offer their opinions as well.

Pwny Ride · Aug 28, 2007, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by Roo Ella

DON"T nerf the Killer bunny lair
Lots of farming there.

Too true, i get tons of norn points killing around there <3

EDIT: at Zahr, thats your fault. You had plenty of opportunities to participate in the preview weekend, and you did not, so no matter what you'd like to comment about, it is relatively irrelevant.

Stormcloud · Aug 28, 2007, 07:38 AM // 07:38

Im baffled...you want nerfs to PVE only skills and titles? Leave my skills and titles alone...they dont hurt you in any way!

Nerf the ones that can be used in PVP if you want but PVE skills are MEANT to be powerful!

Zahr Dalsk · Aug 28, 2007, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

EDIT: at Zahr, thats your fault. You had plenty of opportunities to participate in the preview weekend, and you did not, so no matter what you'd like to comment about, it is relatively irrelevant.

I'm not really speaking for me (I never used the skills and so wasn't amongst the dozens of people whining in towns about their skills being disabled, in other words no skin off my back if they're just plain deleted; I never grew dependent on them) but commenting that I'd be surprised if there were major nerfs this soon. Perhaps I phrased it inaccurately. My apologies.

Well99 · Aug 28, 2007, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by Lord Palidore

Someone making a topic asking for nerfs?

That's a new one :P.

Someone trying to control how others play that is new also...)

Tijger · Aug 28, 2007, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

I'd like to comment that many people (myself included) did not purchase the pre-order and never even saw these skills (although I have read about them in gamewiki). So it seems a bit early to be discussing this when plenty of people in the game have not yet even had the opportunity to test their effectiveness in the game and offer their opinions as well.

Not to mention the TS got several skills wrong in the way they work.

Zahr Dalsk · Aug 28, 2007, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by Well99

Someone trying to control how others play that is new also...)

*experiences nasty flashback to being told (lied to) by some elitist or other that if a W/D doesn't use Mystic Regen, it automatically sucks and doesn't work*

Well99 · Aug 28, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

*experiences nasty flashback to being told (lied to) by some elitist or other that if a W/D doesn't use Mystic Regen, it automatically sucks and doesn't work*

Oh no!Dont you know "Leets" have all the answers?Ask them.My friend runs Para because some people says they suck.So far he has 2 that are Legendary Survivor.One of the fun parts of the game is createing new builds.If you enjoy it then it works.

TheLordOfLard · Aug 28, 2007, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by SPIRIT OF THE SEA

I would really like to see (seriously) them make norn title track much harder think its way to easy to get Im gonna get final rank anyway no matter how much but i want it to be more prestiege then just 80k psshhhh

So I guess you must think the LB and SS title tracks are also too easy then! Damn all these title tracks are the limit of my grinding (as to improve my pve skills). Why make these titles as annoying as the Kurzick/Luxon titles?!

Also on nerfing pve only skills: zomg wtf bbq?! Are you all working for The Great Destroyer?! although, i do agree with the "Dodge This!" bug

Navaros · Aug 28, 2007, 10:10 AM // 10:10

The only thing in EOTN that should ever be nerfed, is nerfing itself. All discussions about nerfing should also be nerfed.

Let's nerf nerfing once and for all. Break the nerf bat in half then cast both pieces into the Abyss, never to be found again.

No more nerfing, period. Nerfing is evil.

freekedoutfish · Aug 28, 2007, 10:12 AM // 10:12

You do realise that the vast majority of the skills are PvE only, so they wont impact PvP? There for leave the PvE only ones alone!

If we find in a few months they make PvE too easy then perhaps nerf them, but considering we only saw like 5% of the entire game during the preview, we have no knowledge about how much stronger the enemies get in PvE.

If you want to nerf the small number of new PvE+PvP skills then fine (but personally I dont think any of those were over-powered), but dont talk about nerfing the PvE only skills until we find out how the rest of GWEN is going to work.

I think its a safe bet to assume the creatures in later parts of GWEN are going to be very over-powered too!

Highlander Of Alba · Aug 28, 2007, 10:16 AM // 10:16

I have never came across such a bunch of wingers since i read this post

Lets get things clear here

IF you dont like it Do not play it..cancell your order

This is for all Campaigns whether you have 1 or the 3 of them

to the title wannabes..So what if its obtainable to a guy who has just Profices do you want to be a standalone guy parading your so called title this is for guys who may not play as much as yourselves(Grinding)

This game is to be enjoyed and playable BY ALL not the selected few who want it there way

This post is not made as a flame but to say one thing only

Thanks Anet your doing a good job so far keep it up...

And to the ones who put them down go play WOW or some other game dont attack a company that caters for all not just the title hunters and grinders of this world

we dont need you

Zeph · Aug 28, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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Originally Posted by Highlander Of Alba

I have never came across such a bunch of wingers since i read this post

Lets get things clear here

IF you dont like it Do not play it..cancell your order

This is for all Campaigns whether you have 1 or the 3 of them

to the title wannabes..So what if its obtainable to a guy who has just Profices do you want to be a standalone guy parading your so called title this is for guys who may not play as much as yourselves(Grinding)

This game is to be enjoyed and playable BY ALL not the selected few who want it there way

This post is not made as a flame but to say one thing only

Thanks Anet your doing a good job so far keep it up...

And to the ones who put them down go play WOW or some other game dont attack a company that caters for all not just the title hunters and grinders of this world

we dont need you

Couldn't agree more. The OP needs a serious b!tch slap.

Engel the Fallen · Aug 28, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44

Naturally people would react negatively to a post or thread regarding balancing and challenge. But if you look at the PvE only skills they are obviously FAR too powerful even at lower levels. Some say this is too early, but ANET did a commendable job in restricting these skills, and nerfing them before they became out of control. The new skills however still give you the ability to never be crippled or knocked down, perm +24 armor, the ability to constantly weaken anything attacking you, constant damage buffs, damage skills that can be spammed and cause knockdown and the ability to summon an assassin to combo a target.

People really believe this is balance? This is how you want to make an easy game easier? As high level content, this should be hard, but instead with grossly overpowered skills I can aggro with my monk and take little to no damage at all. My monk can basically tank now, anyone see something wrong with this?

Etta · Aug 28, 2007, 10:53 AM // 10:53

You want it hard? Play hard-mode.

shirosae · Aug 28, 2007, 10:56 AM // 10:56

How about this update, we get to play with it for a week or two before it all gets nerfed into disuse?

Anet made a brilliant move when they stopped giving mobs 248975645 obscene buffs, and started giving them dual professions with better skillbars and thought out party composition. Don't discourage them right now; we really need to be getting the message across that they did good.

If - a week or two into the release - it does turn out that players are being forced to take particular PvE skills to PUG, then so be it. But not now.

vergerefosh · Aug 28, 2007, 11:21 AM // 11:21

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Originally Posted by Roo Ella

DON"T nerf the Killer bunny lair
Lots of farming there.

Lots of fun there to. Found that one the friday, kept warning my friends about the "evil bunnies".

But seriously, the full game isn't even out yet, stop complaining, there hasn't been enough going on for people to properly explore all that stuff yet

fenix · Aug 28, 2007, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Everyone knows that Searing Flames is just SOOOO over powered, what with its' 15 energy cost, 1 second cast, and 2 second recharge. Not to mention, the burning duration is only 5 seconds. Yeah, totally over powered. *rolls eyes*

Searing Flames has been PVP-based nerfed like 10 times now. I don't even run it anymore, since it just plain sucks now because of it. Savannah Heat is more ace, as they took away that scatter from AoE in easy mode script.

But yeah, everyone knows Searing Flames is just SOOOOO powerful, it needs yet ANOTHER nerf.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic...or just stupid. Searing Flames IS powerful, just not as stupid as it was before. It's still probably the best Fire elite, since it does retarded damage. And bringing more than 1 is just gg to most mobs. There is a reason that almost ALL cookie cutter pve builds use Searing Flames eles. And it's not because they are bad.

the_jos · Aug 28, 2007, 12:07 PM // 12:07

Talking about nerfs and things like that...
I did not put any GWEN skills on my skill bar, ran balanced teams with no Eles in it and still was able to breeze through the game while alliance chat was full of people saying they were having difficulties with the game.

There is a huge difference between the seasoned player and the occasional player. GWEN is ment to be for both and making things stupid hard would scare a lot of people away.
I recall a lot of people having with missions like Hell's or Desert missions which in my opinion are not that hard at all.

When keeping this in mind, I don't see any need to nerf or buff anything at this moment.
The acccessible areas were relatively easy if you are seasoned or HM player, this has nothing to do with the PvE only skills.
It does not say anything about further content, which may be way harder and even 'require' the PvE skills for the not so experienced players.

What we have seen could well be part of 'starter-island' or 'pre' of GWEN.
For some easy, for others hard.

One more comment:

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There is a reason that almost ALL cookie cutter pve builds use Searing Flames eles. And it's not because they are bad.

No, it's because SF is very easy to play. Take 2 SF players and nuke away (single SF is a waste).
I know from experience that I can replace my 2 SF eles with 2 other characters and be at least as efficient.
However, I need to do consider more team synergy for that where with SF I just need 2 of them to work.
Hence, the dual-SF fits easy in many teams where two other builds need more allignment with the total team and enemies.

tyche7 · Aug 28, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

I don't think a single thing needs to be nerfed. Honestly.