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White knight lord · Aug 14, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

One of the extremes you mentioned was to just have a wig system, putting quite a dent in builds *and* removing the armor rating from the head.

Well, what a nice and fair/reasonable cost.Prob would have some people rethinking bout getting a new hair style and I must say it is way better then loseing your all your armor if you change hair styles..yet that would work well too

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

One of the extremes you mentioned was to just have a wig system, putting quite a dent in builds *and* removing the armor rating from the head.

Hmm that is soo very extreme...Still don't know where you got the whole "shoot our selves in the head throught" from....maybe you should just take it easy dude...

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

You've pretty much proved to me that you don't know what you're saying. Why do I have to prove something that was said by you in the first place

It was a simple request, so just let me know if going through millions of codeing is hard.I never said you had to prove anything, I was just makeing a statement of why Anet should or in this case shouldn't have to go through the codeing no matter how hard or easy it may or may not be to change something the player can alerady change (aka remakeing).

Bryant Again · Aug 14, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

Well, what a nice and fair/reasonable cost.Prob would have some people rethinking bout getting a new hair style and I must say it is way better then loseing your all your armor if you change hair styles..yet that would work well too

Why? Why would that work well? Those are the extremes I'm talking about. You're just saying "YUS THIS WOLD WORK" without really saying why, unless you're just here to upset people.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

Still don't know where you got the whole "shoot our selves in the head throught" from....

See above please.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

maybe you should just take it easy dude...

You're confused? Why did you quote me twice?

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

It was a simple request, so just let me know if going through millions of codeing is hard.I never said you had to prove anything

You were the one that said it was hard in the first place. Why should I have to prove your claim?

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

I was just makeing a statement of why Anet should or in this case shouldn't have to go through the codeing no matter how hard or easy it may or may not be to change something the player can alerady change (aka remakeing).

That's kind of the whole point of why we're asking for a hairstylist - so we DON'T have to remake our character which we've spent so many hours in. Remaking does not equal changing.

White knight lord · Aug 14, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Why? Why would that work well? Those are the extremes I'm talking about. You're just saying "YUS THIS WOLD WORK" without really saying why, unless you're just here to upset people.

I am not here to upset people and I do not know how my opinions upset people...if they do well life sux. people don't have to read my posts or throughts on the forums. As far as why it would work, If Anet should have to go through the troubles of recodeing peoples mistakes because they are lazy and don't want to remake their chars (I have remade chars). The player should have to pay a reasonable price rather then 1-10k bs. I am going off the assumption that is is hard because of the MILLIONS of people that play and would probably want to do this (if you haven't figured that out).

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

You're confused? Why did you quote me twice?

I am quoteing you so people can refer to the comment made by you so they know what i'm talking about. How bout you?

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

You were the one that said it was hard in the first place. Why should I have to prove your claim?

lol, Never asked you to prove anything just asking.

JUST MY OPINIONS/THOUGHTS

Bryant Again · Aug 15, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

I am not here to upset people and I do not know how my opinions upset people...if they do well life sux. people don't have to read my posts or throughts on the forums.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

As far as why it would work, If Anet should have to go through the troubles of recodeing peoples mistakes-

Cutting you off right there. Not everyone's hairstyle was a "mistake". You obviously ignored my older post. I'll snip a bit of it here for you to read (again):

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Originally Posted by Me, a few posts back

I'm not saying that I don't like my hair, I'm just tired of it. I'd like to be something different, and I think that's the mindset most people have.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

-because they are lazy and don't want to remake their chars (I have remade chars).

Well good job, not everyone wants to delete their characters that have 10 maxed titles, obsidian armor, and countless skills unlocked. Some people would just like to change their hair. In other words, not everyone's character is so disposable.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

I am going off the assumption that is is hard because of the MILLIONS of people that play and would probably want to do this (if you haven't figured that out).

Nay, you're simply going off the assumption that it's hard. I don't see how the number of people play into that.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

I am quoteing you so people can refer to the comment made by you so they know what i'm talking about. How bout you?

No no - why did you quote me, the same quote, twice? Read your previous post.
If you're doing it to look clever, ain't workin', homie.

kilkelo · Aug 15, 2007, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Do it! Make it happen! I can't believe it still doesn't exist!

Operative 14 · Aug 15, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

This thread is nuts.

It's turned into flaming over hairstyle changes. I am still trying to figure out why people are so militantly against this, and after fourteen pages, I have yet to see a good reason why we shouldn't have this option. I can understand not wanting to introduce fads into the game, and making it difficult in some way to keep people from changing their hair style simply dependant on what armor someone is wearing at this minute. But, quite frankly, who cares? I do not see any reason why anyone in this game shouldn't have the option to change their hair.

If you don't agree with it, don't use it. Just like I refuse to use runners my first time through a campaign, or any manner of other small moral delimas you face every day. The only way it will affect you, if you don't agree with the option and don't use it, is if a friend uses it. And if a friend uses it then you might want to take that up with them; perhaps you will respect their opinion enough to actually listen to why they choose to change their hairstyle instead of militantly restating the same points over and over again while steadfastly fighting it for no apperant reason other than to... Well... uh, I can't come up with anything.

And I certainly agree with the coding issue, I have no idea how hard this is to code. In fact, I am probably one of the least qualified people on this forum to evalute that. However, computer code was meant to be changed. And having to go through 3.5+ million individule characters codes to change their hairstyle? Please. I change my headgear on average at least 8 times a day simply to match the set of armor I'm wearing at the time (oh, wait, I also change the rest of my five peices of armor at that same time to) so there is a way to do something incredibly similar on your own already. And certainly having an NPC interface to do this would make it so that it was probably a lot easier. I imagine that the coding for the NPC to change your hair would equate to something saying;

Access character: Count Operoe
Change Codeline 666: change line "hairstyle=proph5" to "hairstyle=nightf8"

Again, I have no idea about coding or how complicated it is. However, according to the suggestion that we reroll our characters... We would have to do the EXACT SAME THING. Just simply that it would be associated with also deleting an old character. I imagine a process that takes quite a bit of coding in itself to enact, for instance; erase the name, make that name available on the database, delete that characters armor set, runes for those five peices of armor, inscriptions for those five peices of armor, weapons, staff wrapping, weapons staff head (in a casters case), delete titles and all the hundreds of other various items you might have associated or on that character accidentally, and consign them to the ether.
Then, after that seemingly arduous process, you also start a new character. Which means you have to file for a name, check that name, assign that name, then bring up the interface to select a face, then skin color, then hair, then hair color, then make five new peices of armor, add inscriptions for the armor, then start this new character. Not to mention buying the items and customizing them again. And then repeat this entire task if you want another hair change after that process because, of course, this character is meant to be disposable for something as petty and simple as a hair style change.

In short, the coding is there already. It's just simply that we are asking to be able to access the ability to change the hairstyle without having to hack the main database. Which I'm pretty sure would defeat the purpose since our accounts would be banned and deleted afterwards thus rendering our hours of gameplay, year(s) of loyalty to characters, titles, and customized weapons that we were trying to save though that process moot.

And as far as body changing, face or otherwise; honestly I don't agree with it. When you make a characters face you are tied to that. Same logic that you don't put a baby up for adoption becuase it doesn't look on par with your specifications, and then try again later to get a better looking child. (However this arguement, at least in my mind, does not relate to hairstyling becuase if you don't like a childs hairstyle you can simply change it. You don't have to create a new child becuase you don't like it's hairstyle. But I digress)

However, that option would never affect me in anway. The only way it would affect me is in a positive way. I will never use it because of the afformentioned logic, it's just my own sentimentality. Therefore, the only way I will be affected is if a friend uses it. In which case my friend will have wanted to use it for, probably, a good reason. My point: I'm probably not going to ever agree with nor want the ability to change my characters face. However, I won't waste my breath (or in this case the tips of my fingers) arguing against it becuase it won't affect me.
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As far as implimentation of the plan, I'm looking for something like this.

Option one: You walk up to an NPC in Kamadan, so you can get a Nightfall hairstyle. Then you come up with a window, similar to the dye preview that would allow you to look at all the Nightfall hair options for your characters proffession. To choose the hairstyles, you are able to click on little windows similar to the character creation screen. You can preview you character in full length, like the dye window, then you hit the button and it is your hairstyle, attached to your head. Make it so it costs 1k(arbitrary figure) or 2k(on par with a guild cape), to discourage frivolous changes but still be on par with what most players can pretty easily save up in a week, if not 15 minutes.

Option two: Same as above, except it is implmented as a sixth peice of armor, in between your head peice and your chest peice. No runes or insiginias, just a simple wig.

Dang I'm long winded, aren't I?

TsunamiZ · Aug 15, 2007, 09:12 AM // 09:12

yes we need an appearance change option for existing characters

Perfected Shadow · Aug 15, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

However, that option would never affect me in anway. The only way it would affect me is in a positive way. I will never use it because of the afformentioned logic, it's just my own sentimentality. Therefore, the only way I will be affected is if a friend uses it. In which case my friend will have wanted to use it for, probably, a good reason. My point: I'm probably not going to ever agree with nor want the ability to change my characters face. However, I won't waste my breath (or in this case the tips of my fingers) arguing against it becuase it won't affect me.

Yeah I'm just confused why some are arguing against it. The 'clone' argument is weak I think.

WinterSnowblind · Aug 15, 2007, 09:41 AM // 09:41

Long winded, but well said. I really have a hard time understanding why people are so against this too. If I want to change my character slightly, for my own satisfaction, I don't see why it matters. Sure, making him slightly taller or shorter may be "unrealistic" but this is a game. And honestly, who's going to notice? I doubt even the people I regularly play the game with would notice the difference, let alone random guys standing around in outposts.

There should definitely be some kind of fee on this, similar to the guild capes, to stop you from changing your character around constantly, but besides that I see no problem with being able to fix up your characters.

The "just recreate that character" is a very weak argument. Especially with the Hall of Monuments in GW:EN. Recreating a character just to get a different face or hairstyle means losing ALL of your achievements, armour, customised weapons and perhaps even mini-pets, etc, depending on how they work.

Bryant Again · Aug 15, 2007, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Good and well written post, Operative 14.

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

Yeah I'm just confused why some are arguing against it. The 'clone' argument is weak I think.

Agreed. If there was gonna be "clones", I think we would have them now.

The affro might be pretty popular, though.

MithranArkanere · Aug 15, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

On top of all, hairstyle changes would be one mor reason to get different campaings.

Make a Character in Prophecies, them take it to Cantha to get the last hit in Canthan hairdressing.

Aithieel · Aug 15, 2007, 06:02 PM // 18:02

I agree with that idea. I really hate how my mesmer looks and I'd like to change even her hairstyle. I just can't delete her, she's my oldest character. Operative 14 well said! About changing faces I could agree with that, I don't care what faces have others but maybe Tyrian charactes soudn't have access to Canthan, Elonian faces becouse there woudn't be any diffrence between character from other continetns.

White knight lord · Aug 16, 2007, 02:01 AM // 02:01

I am not comming at you with a bat just my point of view and/or opinions again....

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

I am still trying to figure out why people are so militantly against this, and after fourteen pages, I have yet to see a good reason why we shouldn't have this option.

Like I said I don't agree with this "NPC", Because it just isn't the char you created and IF you want it to be more like R/L they might as well add surgens to change peoples faces and/or height.

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

If you don't agree with it, don't use it.

A argument statement that can hardly be beaten.

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Originally Posted by Operative 14

As far as implimentation of the plan, I'm looking for something like this.

Option one: You walk up to an NPC in Kamadan, so you can get a Nightfall hairstyle. Then you come up with a window, similar to the dye preview that would allow you to look at all the Nightfall hair options for your characters proffession. To choose the hairstyles, you are able to click on little windows similar to the character creation screen. You can preview you character in full length, like the dye window, then you hit the button and it is your hairstyle, attached to your head. Make it so it costs 1k(arbitrary figure) or 2k(on par with a guild cape), to discourage frivolous changes but still be on par with what most players can pretty easily save up in a week, if not 15 minutes.

Option two: Same as above, except it is implmented as a sixth peice of armor, in between your head peice and your chest peice. No runes or insiginias, just a simple wig.

Option one, with the prices that low won't stop people from changeing hair styles at a constant/fast rate. It may slow down the non farmers and the folks that don't play the game much, but the others that do farm and do play a lot will not be effected by it.Option Two isn't a too bad of an idea with the "wig" but still should cost around 10k atleast I think (and don't say it is hard to get 10k).

All in all this is a big topic with the GW community.I personally do not see this being implimented from an Anets perspective.I persoanally think this wouldn't be such a great addition to the game this late in the game,especially with with GW2 comming out but in about a year or so. Maybe hey are implimenting this into GW2 (or more "hairstyle" topics will show up).

oceanicdemigod · Aug 16, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

I also am perplexed by the images in the armor section of the official wiki.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/0/0...ed_armor_m.jpg

That Face = Tyrian

That Hair = NOT Tyrian

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/b/b...an_armor_f.jpg

Not expert on Female Rangers but is that Tyrian Hair?

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/4/4...an_armor_f.jpg

Don't recall that Hair in the Tyrian Female Necro Line-up

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/6/6...an_armor_m.jpg

Necro Men in tyria DO NOT have this hair...I WOULD SO MAKE A TYRIAN NECRO MAN FOR THAT HAIR!!!!! ::drools::

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/c/c...nt_armor_f.jpg

This is Tyrian Mesmer with Canthan Hair for sure...my Canthan Mesmer has that hair.

So what's with that? Sound like a Cross-Campaign Hair Pool is best idea

on a Side note....what's an Event Hat but a glorified Hairstyle? (not sure if that was mentioned) - Thats why I don't really like my witch hats cuz it removes her hair and she looks bald with a hat on...i like some hair sticking out to show she has hair underneath the hat.

White knight lord · Aug 16, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

The Female Ranger is all NF I believe and the Female Necro Has Factions hair, But I want to say that is a Tryian face...

Paloma Song · Aug 17, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

Yeah I'm just confused why some are arguing against it.

Because some people don't like the thought of you doing something they wouldn't do (or are afraid to do, or have been told is immoral to do, blah blah). It's a control issue - they want to control what you do, so that it conforms to their view of how the world should be. Even if what you do has absolutely zero direct impact on them, they will invent an indirect impact as they cling to their comforting stasis. To them, it's more important that they feel in control of their surroundings, than to allow other people's individual right to control their own... whatever. A million real-life examples (quite a bit more important than Guild Wars hairstylists) spring to mind about uppity people getting in our bidness, but it's the same principle, and why derail this trainwreck? (Incidentally, these are the same people who throw fits over the idea of modding the client to display textures differently. They just want to control the way you play.)

I'd un-retire several characters for a hairdresser/face-changer option. Ditto with names. Genders too. I'd pay for it, in-game or out, and I'd pay a lot. Anet should take a lesson from games like UO, which charges a premium for name and gender changes, automates the process, and makes a fortune on an aging game and people who just can't bear to delete old characters even if the ugly tree had its way with them.

White knight lord · Aug 17, 2007, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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Originally Posted by Paloma Song

Because some people don't like the thought of you doing something they wouldn't do (or are afraid to do, or have been told is immoral to do, blah blah). It's a control issue - they want to control what you do, so that it conforms to their view of how the world should be. Even if what you do has absolutely zero direct impact on them, they will invent an indirect impact as they cling to their comforting stasis. To them, it's more important that they feel in control of their surroundings, than to allow other people's individual right to control their own... whatever. A million real-life examples (quite a bit more important than Guild Wars hairstylists) spring to mind about uppity people getting in our bidness, but it's the same principle, and why derail this trainwreck? (Incidentally, these are the same people who throw fits over the idea of modding the client to display textures differently. They just want to control the way you play.)

May I ask how giving opinions on a FORUM is "controlling"? I thought forums were implimented for people to speculate or give opinions about topics (please correct me if I am wrong)? So anyway, this means people that want the NPC want to control what I do too. Hmm...human nature to control..interesting...thought,Eh?

Cyon · Aug 17, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27

For those wondering y some people are against this idea...
Honestly, i think the only person that is so vehemently opposed to a hairstylist is Mr. White Knight Lord, who has posted since the 2nd page of this thread and has managed to find enough spare time to keep reading this thread and making responses.

I don't know where his particular attraction to this topic stems from though i suspect that it extends beyond the issue in deliberation. Maybe he really feels it would be a horrible injustice for anet to have to code "so so so" much even though anet said themselves that they sell a SERVICE and their responsibility is to make the game so that it fulfills the wishes of its players [They have been doing so and thats y I and many people support ANET], maybe he is bitter that he had to remake some of his characters and he feels the rest should have to do the same, maybe he just likes to argue [but i think there might be better places or more important issues for that], or maybe hes here to make friends with all of us because of a certain lacking elsewhere >.>, or maybe having an extra NPC in town will be a serious health concern for him

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Whatever the case maybe i think he should just respect other people's opinions. I mean, they don't really affect him in any adverse way do they?

And just for anyone who may be curious...
-I support a hairstylist [Hair style and color] because variety makes a game more entertaining, and for a billion [exaggerated of course] of other reasons which somebody must have posted somewhere in this big huge thread.
-I don't support face changes, body changes, name changes, etc because my own sentimental reasons [probably people have mentioned my reasons as well]
-AND YES mr. Knight, I have remade lvl 20 characters decked in 15k armors and other such customized fineries

For everyone else who may have similar opinions to either Mr. Knight's, I'm fine with that. For anyone who agrees with me I'm fine with that also.

I'm expecting Mr. Knight to have a response to mine in short time since he has proven that he checks this thread with such fervor and enthusiasm. If he doesn't reply, i congratulate him on a new Life. And Mr. Knight, if you take offense to anything in this post, my sincere apologies, but you brought it upon yourself by being so persistent. GL everyone and have a nice day. =]

Bryant Again · Aug 17, 2007, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

So anyway, this means people that want the NPC want to control what I do too. Hmm...human nature to control..interesting...thought,Eh?

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No. That's not what that means.

Operative 14 · Aug 17, 2007, 06:00 AM // 06:00

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May I ask how giving opinions on a FORUM is "controlling"? I thought forums were implimented for people to speculate or give opinions about topics (please correct me if I am wrong)?

The reason why giving your opinion in this issue is controlling is becuase you have so vehemently argued that people should not have the right to an option that does not affect you in anyway. And, also, stating that people should play the game the way you do (creating disposable characters and not springing for the expensive items) and anyone who plays the game in any other way is making a 'mistake' adds to that idea.

And you're quite true that that is what a forum is for. However, it's not the fact that you have stated your opinion; it's the fact that for fourteen pages you have strongly argued against hairstylists for no apperant reason.

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So anyway, this means people that want the NPC want to control what I do too. Hmm...human nature to control..interesting...thought,Eh?

No, actually it does not mean that people who want a hairstylist are trying to control what you do. As has been stated literally countless times in this thread, usually aimed directly at you, you are not going to be forced to use a hairstylist in any way, shape, or form based upon what people in this thread have asked for. Human nature to control; well, I can't really argue with that. But I'm not the one whose been arguing for fourteen pages to play the game my way (I.E. make disposable characters and delete them for frivolous reasons). I've just been asking for the ability to give my Dervish a ponytail.