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MithranArkanere · Aug 07, 2007, 02:02 AM // 02:02

Well... you eat in real life... and drink alcohol... should we remove food and spirits form the game because they are too real-life-like?

The omost important point to consider about an addition or suggestion to the game is this one:
- Would players enjoy it?
For this, the reason is yes. Most of them would love it.

pamelf · Aug 07, 2007, 03:42 AM // 03:42

I agree. People would either love it or completely ignore it. There are no negative side effects, so it is something you can choose to use, or not, as you see fit.

Krusnik The Second · Aug 07, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Okay, so, White Knight, there's just one thing that doesn't make sense to me...why are you so against this?

It's not like we are forcing you to change your hair style if this is added on, it just gives users some more choice after there character's initial creation.

People's tastes change, it's just what happens, so why can't their character change slightly too?

GloryFox · Aug 07, 2007, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Okay, so, White Knight, there's just one thing that doesn't make sense to me...why are you so against this?

I'll tell you why ... because someone suggested or invented the idea of pants and some people like their bushes and think everyone else should too.

(Can anyone name this pop culture reference?)

Operative 14 · Aug 07, 2007, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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with all do respect...your "examples" are not up to par....because that would be relatively dumb, and that is REAL LIFE.

You clearly have never heard of an analogy. It's not an example, it was applying this sort of situation to something you might be able to understand. I was trying to give you a situation you would understand that would make you sympthize with others. I won't make that mistake again.

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I don't know who would mow a lawn for 2$

Thank you for proving my point. I was trying to make it so that the bare minimum of what someone would make in real life might reflect the amount of money and time someone spent on recieving an ingame item. Perhaps I should rephrase this; People have spent 200+ hours building funds and garnering materials and items for some of their armor, weapons and other items. What would be an acceptable amount of money for you, $5? That would give you the equivilent of $1000 for that amount of time, and I know other people have spent more or less depending on their techniques for money gathering.

And BTW, $2 an hour was just a random figure I pulled out of my hat for a young kid going out and mowing lawns for a neighbor, I don't know what the going rate is. I'm glad you do.

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I wait for Chistmas or my B-day to get items like...well my computer.

I'm glad I have finally found someone other than myself in the same boat, I thought I was the only one

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To answer your question I wouldn't pay hundreds or thousands of dollars just to change my wallpaper on my comp...

Again, thank you for proving the point of my analogy.

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And there is a BIG difference between a pixel image and Money

Look up analogy in a dictionary...

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So I am going to leave this topic letting you all DREAM about your "Hair Stylists","Plastic Surgens", and w/e NPC you all want to fix your mistakes on your characters

How wonderful, and you will be continued to be unaffected by it just like you would if they did add "Hair Stylists" or Plastic Sugens."

White knight lord · Aug 07, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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Originally Posted by Krusnik The Second

Okay, so, White Knight, there's just one thing that doesn't make sense to me...why are you so against this?

It's not like we are forcing you to change your hair style if this is added on, it just gives users some more choice after there character's initial creation.

People's tastes change, it's just what happens, so why can't their character change slightly too?

I am against this because I believe people should deal their chars they way they made them in the 1st place and accept their "unique" character, and im just voicing my opinions. Guess foks just like voicing their opinions too that is what forums are for are they not?

Btw sorry glory don't watch too much TV so I dunno...

trielementz · Aug 07, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

I am against this because I believe people should deal their chars they way they made them in the 1st place and accept their "unique" character, and im just voicing my opinions. Guess foks just like voicing their opinions too that is what forums are for are they not?

Btw sorry glory don't watch too much TV so I dunno...

When I made my monk from Prophecies, there were no factions/ nightfall hairstyles. it's not simply about sticking by your choice, it's about not having all available choices at that point in time. i guess what others cannot understand is how having a hairdressing option would devalue your own beliefs. you can accept your unique character, and others can choose not to accept theirs. since having this feature doesn't stop you from doing what you believe in, why should your beliefs impose upon others?

It's one thing to say "i wouldn't change my hairstyle but i don't mind others doing it" and quite another to say "i wouldn't change my hairstyle and i want others to be unable to change theirs". this is a cosmetic effect we're talking about here, not a balance altering change.

Pickletron · Aug 07, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

DUDE THIS ISNT REEL LIVEZ!
DONT PUTZ IN HARSTEYLITS WE HEB ENUF USELESS NPCS, U ALRDY PIKD WUT UR CHAR LUKZ LIKE LIV WID IT.

Waiting for another post by White knight lord.

Perfected Shadow · Aug 07, 2007, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

If, if if if, they implement this, this would seriously have to cost twice the amount of FoW armor with an insane amount of materials, XP sacrafice (that would be a twist) and other things for it to be done.

You would be unaffected if the option was added, I don't understand why you want it to cost hell for others to be able to use the option.

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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

With all due respect, you may wish to think about what this topic is about. A hair stylist is a wish, want, desire - it is not a need. We are ALL being selfish in our campaigning for what we want (or don't want), but I doubt very few people are willing to admit it.

My comment was about the extent of selfishness. You ''don't want to see the ability to change appearance'' just because of the chances (probably slight) of others looking like you. I don't see much of anyone on par with that.

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It would be nice to have the ability to change the whole look of a character ONCE - to make up for mistakes made in character creation.

I prefer to have no limits on being able to edit chars, but if most want to impose some then fine. > once though

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Originally Posted by Pickletron

DUDE THIS ISNT REEL LIVEZ!
DONT PUTZ IN HARSTEYLITS WE HEB ENUF USELESS NPCS, U ALRDY PIKD WUT UR CHAR LUKZ LIKE LIV WID IT.

No one is forcing you to use any NPC.

Bryant Again · Aug 07, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by Pickletron

Waiting for another post by White knight lord.

Lol, gl. Op. 14 is on a pwning spree right about naw.

White knight lord · Aug 07, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Pickletron

DUDE THIS ISNT REEL LIVEZ!
DONT PUTZ IN HARSTEYLITS WE HEB ENUF USELESS NPCS, U ALRDY PIKD WUT UR CHAR LUKZ LIKE LIV WID IT.

Waiting for another post by White knight lord.

So you don't want them either eh? Like everyone else says don't want it don't use it..all im doing and can do is to give my thoughts and opinions on these forums .

By the way..there is a system to select new hair styles is there not? So I don't see why everyone is wanting a useless NPC when there is a option alerady implamented in the game.

LobsterMobster · Aug 07, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

I can't stand the "GET OVER IT" argument. It's the same as the "life sucks" argument, nothing more than a lazy way to dismiss someone because you don't like change.

If you're going to say "GET OVER IT" about this, then you know that thread in the dev forum about skill changes? You should go in there and post, "GET OVER IT." In fact, instead of buying Eye of the North you should just GET OVER IT because anyone that wants new content or any changes is obviously just a whinger. Throw away all your inscripted items, all your Nightfall and Factions weapons and armor, in fact, just throw away everything you didn't have right out of chargen. You know why? Because anything else is a change, and people that want change should GET OVER IT.

Guild Wars is a game, a service provided by a company that WANTS feedback from its players, and WANTS to make them happy. It's not a job and you shouldn't treat anything about it like a punishment. Unlike other games, Guild Wars lets you completely change your character build with absolutely no penalty. That's one of the things that makes it unique and friendly. But no, maybe you should just buy only 8 skills and never remove points from attributes. What? You want to try a different build? Make a new character! That's too much trouble for such a minor thing?

Get over it.

Snow Bunny · Aug 07, 2007, 06:34 PM // 18:34

It takes a lot of work to do this, a lot of work on ANet's part. It should be along the same lines as name changing, which is already possible. You change your hair, you're fundamentally changing your character in their servers, so your armor shouldn't work anymore. Pfft.

Aceracer · Aug 07, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

I say add the Hair stylist, I am not likely to use it (pretty happy with my choices right now) but this is a game and not a Military camp. games are fun and ever changing. if you want to get into the usefulness of NPC's make that in a new post(you will quickly find that 90% of NPC's are very much needed and used. and those not in favor of the new NPC here is a little fact: 1 new NPC in your standard MMORPG takes up about 500kb thats all! (not counting textures, I'm assuming that A-net will use standard NPC textures)

MithranArkanere · Aug 07, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

If new titles can be added, new variables can.

Hair changes could perfectly do not change the 'base' character, but masking her starting properties.

Clients would receibe the info in the same way their receive armor dyes. One value for the hair, and another for the color.

Hm... yup. Still possible.

White knight lord · Aug 07, 2007, 07:04 PM // 19:04

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Originally Posted by LobsterMobster

I can't stand the "GET OVER IT" argument. It's the same as the "life sucks" argument, nothing more than a lazy way to dismiss someone because you don't like change.

If you're going to say "GET OVER IT" about this, then you know that thread in the dev forum about skill changes? You should go in there and post, "GET OVER IT." In fact, instead of buying Eye of the North you should just GET OVER IT because anyone that wants new content or any changes is obviously just a whinger. Throw away all your inscripted items, all your Nightfall and Factions weapons and armor, in fact, just throw away everything you didn't have right out of chargen. You know why? Because anything else is a change, and people that want change should GET OVER IT.

Guild Wars is a game, a service provided by a company that WANTS feedback from its players, and WANTS to make them happy. It's not a job and you shouldn't treat anything about it like a punishment. Unlike other games, Guild Wars lets you completely change your character build with absolutely no penalty. That's one of the things that makes it unique and friendly. But no, maybe you should just buy only 8 skills and never remove points from attributes. What? You want to try a different build? Make a new character! That's too much trouble for such a minor thing?

Get over it.

Well..its easy Lobster Get over it simple as that. It seems that you have a negative out look on life but that is up to you. I dont mind change at all, but Bunny has a very good point.

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It takes a lot of work to do this, a lot of work on ANet's part. It should be along the same lines as name changing, which is already possible. You change your hair, you're fundamentally changing your character in their servers, so your armor shouldn't work anymore. Pfft.

Just because someone wants to change their char by either changeing the hair,face,height,or skin tones, means its not the same char at all in which you created and accepted. I think there should be soem kind of penalty/sacrifice from either costing a lot or loseing armor as Bunny stated. I say if you want to be able to change your characters hair well do one of two things, remake the char or go work for Anet and implament the NPC your self.

Bryant Again · Aug 07, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

It takes a lot of work to do this, a lot of work on ANet's part.

Regarding adding NPC's to do so, I would agree that that would be a minor inconvienience.

However, regarding the difficulty of programming and how hard it would have to be, remember April 4th? Where every character in a major outpost became the opposite sex?

I think if ANet can change our gender, there shouldn't be much of a problem to change our hair.

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

Just because someone wants to change their char by either changeing the hair,face,height,or skin tones, means its not the same char at all in which you created and accepted. I think there should be soem kind of penalty/sacrifice from either costing a lot or loseing armor as Bunny stated.

Why should we have to sacrifice something just to change our hair?

GenobeeX · Aug 07, 2007, 10:01 PM // 22:01

I don't get why you insist on attacking people on this thread White Mantle, we are only giving input on what the gaming population on a whole wants. Its not like we are whining. Why should we have to be punished for something for options we didn't have at the time? I would give an arm and leg for the option to change my hairstyle. My taste have changed since creation of my Warrior and I for one don't want to delete all the time and money spent on him just to get a simple haircut. I can live without it and so can many other people. I am only giving imput to Anet as to what the gamers want. Isnt that what this game is about?

Lady Lozza · Aug 07, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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My comment was about the extent of selfishness. You ''don't want to see the ability to change appearance'' just because of the chances (probably slight) of others looking like you. I don't see much of anyone on par with that.

You want your characters to be pretty.
I want my characters to be unique.

Both are equally valid opinions and both are equally selfish.

As an RPG player (right back to the tabletop times) I understand both sides. Tastes do change, mistakes are made, new expansions bring new options. I understand the desire to change. I desire a change, or at least the option of it, but I would like there to be limits to it. By having a hair stylist this gives two of the five total options up for messing around with - just under half. True, I've said I would not necessarily be fond of seeing Canthan characters walking around with Elonian hair, but to be honest it doesn't bother me that much. It is merely something that would appear a little strange to me.

However the - "Oh I need to look like an Arabian belly dancer for 15k Sunspear, oh and now a European ice princess for 15k aero" is something I would rather avoid seeing in game, and before you say it isn't likely to happen just think about fashion in the real world.

If you are male, you probably haven't made its acquaintance yet, so let me introduce you.
Shadow, this is fashion.

Being a female, I've a more intimate knowledge of fashion than I really care to have. I've my style, which isn't fashionable, and I stick to it because it is what I like and it looks good on me. But the social world of many young women actually revolves around fashion. They pick friends by the clothes they wear, the shoes, the accessories, the colour and cut of their hair, their makeup, and how frequently they visit the tanning salon in any given season. All these things are fashion, and to many young women they change with every season. A look becomes flavour of the month and they strive to emulate it.

But this is a game, you might say. True, but real people play it. Real people who have the same concerns in real life that (possibly quite accidently) do carry across to the game. To see examples of this you only have to browse through the screenshot pages to see things like "oh, that armour looks great on ________" and pages later, "I just had to create another ________ because this armour looks so great on the character."
Right back before Factions came out, before titles, when playtime and bonuses and all sorts of other things were unimportant, players WOULD recreate their characters to look like others if they found that "look" to be appealing to them at that time, afterall, there wasn't too much to do once you'd finished the game so why not?

To have all character creation options available to all characters all the time WILL bring flavour of the month into play. It's not simply a possibilty, history and society says it WILL happen. My characters might not become flavour of the month, true, in fact I think the chances are small that they will - but the possiblity is there, and I'd rather it not happen.

Furthermore it would be weird to see clones running around all of the time. Take bots. For a long time bots had one kind of look. The "default" look that loaded in the character creation screen. This "look" was the same all the time - something which has now changed. At Augury the number of blonde, half bald, female monks (all with the same, default face) running around was amazing. The half-bald look is not popular with the general population because many consider it to be ugly. Of course once you realise that these were bots, it became obvious as to why they all looked the same. The grab it and go principal - gold farmers (of this type) don't care about their characters, they aren't there to play the game.

Which brings me to another point. While it is a game, it is a certain type of game. An RPG. We are suppose to BE our characters (or pretend to be). Changing our character might be fun, but it isn't "realistic" in terms of any fantasy game/story/movie that I've played/read/seen. In all those cases magic and the like can change the appearance, but not permenantly.
You might say, here's a chance for Guild Wars to be different. True, but IMHO I don't think it would be a good addition to the game. When you can change your whole appearance like you can armour, you don't and can't become attached to a look, look = character - the name is meaningless unless there is a permenant, identifyable physical embodiment of the being. This is an important point because RPGs draw a large amount of their power to entertain from immersion, the ability to (or pretend to) BE a character in a different world. There is no immersion if you can change your character from - icy mesmer princess, to tribal mesmer, to canthan orphan mesmer in what would effectively become the blink of an eye.
I know that some who play don't think too much about their characters, they don't give them stories or backgrounds, they don't care for the story, they don't become immersed, they don't give in to escapism. They are there for the phat loot and to prove how completely uber they are to the rest of the noobish population. The game for them is an ego trip. But that doesn't mean that the game should stop trying to immerse the players in the world and their characters. Being able to change your character's entire look whenever you want PREVENTS immersion, and is counter to the idea of RPGs in general.

I'm not, as you suggest, against change. Change (in general) is good. What I am against is anything that runs against the general idea of RPGs (and my enjoyment of them), and anything that might add "flavour of the month" in big red letters to the equation.

"GLF NUKER, MUST BE BLONDE, HOT, AND FASHIONBLE!"
Just what I always wanted to see in game...

White knight lord · Aug 08, 2007, 01:44 AM // 01:44

Very well said Lady Lozza, and everyone is different (as we can all see).Personally I am still against it, but that is my opinion.