Curse

Rhedd · Aug 26, 2007, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Not that a video game "making sense" should ever take precedence over fun and lead to fun gameplay features being gimped and having the fun sucked right out of them, as is happening here with animal forms that don't change your apperance at all.

Amen.

Note that I can already turn into a rollerbeetle, so Norns aren't all that awesome. ^_^

Go for over-the-top! Make the game fun!

Due to the precedent set by rollerbeetles and the Junundu, you have to admit it's pretty surprising to see these skills come from where they do, replace our skill bars the way they do, and then NOT change our physical forms.

Promises? Not really. Reasonable expectations? Yep.

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Originally Posted by John Bloodstone

Yes! Please A-Net make animal forms available to all classes so that instead of joining a group of human characters, I can join a group of random animals instead. Next, you can drop the name Guild Wars and rename it Zoo Wars to better reflect the style of the game. Also, what's all this crap about having to use a skill slot for the animal skills and being limited to certain areas only? I should be able to use my bear form whenever and where ever I want, even in towns, and especially in pvp. This is my game because I paid for it and I should be able to dictate it's design because it's my money. Thank you.

You, sir, are an idiot.

I wouldn't usually resort to calling someone an idiot, but since you went so far out of your way to act like one, I can only assume that's the response you were looking for.

pigdestroyer · Aug 26, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

gtfo furries

-Makai- · Aug 26, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by John Bloodstone

Yes! Please A-Net make animal forms available to all classes so that instead of joining a group of human characters, I can join a group of random animals instead. Next, you can drop the name Guild Wars and rename it Zoo Wars to better reflect the style of the game. Also, what's all this crap about having to use a skill slot for the animal skills and being limited to certain areas only? I should be able to use my bear form whenever and where ever I want, even in towns, and especially in pvp. This is my game because I paid for it and I should be able to dictate it's design because it's my money. Thank you.

My sarcasm detector is blinking red at this point...hehe.

I don't see the big deal about not physically transforming. We're humans, not Norns.

Wulfgast · Aug 26, 2007, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Okay, I was extremely pissed by this at first, but I do suppose it may take away some of the "specialness" of the Norn race if you could easily shapeshift into the animal forms. If they don't implement this in GW:EN upon release, they at the very least need some sort of unique animation -- possibly the outline of a bear- or wolf-spirit form that surrounds you and mimics your movements while the blessing is in effect. I could dig that.

Exoudeous · Aug 26, 2007, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by Rhedd

Amen.

Note that I can already turn into a rollerbeetle, so Norns aren't all that awesome. ^_^

Go for over-the-top! Make the game fun!

Due to the precedent set by rollerbeetles and the Junundu, you have to admit it's pretty surprising to see these skills come from where they do, replace our skill bars the way they do, and then NOT change our physical forms.

Promises? Not really. Reasonable expectations? Yep.

You, sir, are an idiot.

I wouldn't usually resort to calling someone an idiot, but since you went so far out of your way to act like one, I can only assume that's the response you were looking for.

so how exactly would looking like an animal make the game more fun?

its pretty hilarous you call people dumb yet dont get it through your head what these skills do, theya re not the same ones teh norn have, their skills specifly say FORMS, while our skills say ASPECT. The norns special racial trait is that they CAN transform.

this game is a lead in to GW2 and it would make no sense at all to take away the Norns only exculsive race attribute.

Erik Fox · Aug 26, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

They've said over and over again that the Bear/Animal forms are a RACIAL trait of the Norn. We are not Norn. Be glad you can take on aspects of them now.

Rhedd · Aug 26, 2007, 07:36 AM // 07:36

Okay, okay. Fine.

God forbid the NPCs be robbed of any of their coolness so that I, a mere player, can do something nifty. Yep, I said they're NPCs. Don't hand me anything about GW2. That game isn't for years, yet, and I'm playing this game, not that one. GW2 is irrelevant.

All I'm saying is that no matter what level of the gaming industry I worked in, I'd keep the exact same goal. That goal would be to never give anyone the reason to say, "Meh, that's kinda lame."

Exoudeous · Aug 26, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

thats impossible you can't please everyone, EVER. You really have no clue about anything related to designing games.

And you are still acting that the mere act of looking like a bear would change the game, you would have the same skills, stop acting as if you are being robbed of gameplay.

But what next? are you going to say its unfair that you can't use enemy skills? Are you going to complain that all the other skills in the game don't have extra side effects you want added? You were never promised or giving the hint of transforming into anything, and you refuse to read the skill description, what you use are not the same as what the norns use

It doesn't matter how far away 2 is, fact is the humans in this game cannot transform into animals. Its not a matter of them being NPC, its a matter of all the races being playable in 2 and having their own traits. The whole point of this game is to link to the 2nd game so it isn't irrelevant, how would it make sense for humans to be able to transform and then in 2 say only Norns can do it?

Everblight · Aug 26, 2007, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Rhedd

All I'm saying is that no matter what level of the gaming industry I worked in, I'd keep the exact same goal. That goal would be to never give anyone the reason to say, "Meh, that's kinda lame."

While I agree with the sentiment, if you so badly want to play a class/race that can turn into a bear or a raven, go play a druid in "That Other Game." The ability to become a werebear is racial. The ability to adopt aspects of animals is spiritual...so I can certainly see some type of aura or visual effect while it is being used. I can just as easily see not.

To answer the original question, the three aspects (Bear, Raven and Wolf) are all available from the Truthseeker questgiver AFTER the primary quests and the Truthseeker quest are completed. Each is an Elite Norn title track skill, and interestingly I was informed that you cannot equip more than 3 PvE-only skills at a time (by an on-screen error message). Something to consider now with all the Norn skills, Ebon Vanguard skills, Sunspear skills, etc.

Rhedd · Aug 26, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

You really have no clue about anything related to designing games.

You have no idea how cute that is. Seriously. Yay for internet anonymity.

Anyway, nothing more for me to say on the matter. Don't know why I posted this many times, since I'm not so much arguing as bitching.

It's cool that you're all happy with the non-visual transformation. It's also cool how none of you are ever going to complain about anything in the future. Because, of course, you'll remember that "you can't please everyone!"

I'll just have to get used to the fact that in this game, people turning into animals would be just stupid.

Now, where did I put those beetle juice tonics... ^_^

SirDigi · Aug 26, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

It doesn't matter how far away 2 is, fact is the humans in this game cannot transform into animals.

However you can transform into trees.

Edit: Plant/tree/wood thing I suppose.

wolfwing · Aug 26, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Why bother having any changes to your chars look, they don't effect the game, lets all keep the same armour no matter where you get it. I think some people just look to get upset or make fun of other peoples suggestions or such.

Why would I want to have a visual change with the wolf/bear/raven aspects? Because it's feels odd having the abilities of a wolf and running around with a scythe. It just doesn't really fit what the skill does.

But I guess people hate progress, or suggestions, why ever bother to post any ideas, or thigns you would like to see in the game becaues it's not needed. Sheesh I really hate the "IF you want this go play another game." attitude, all it does is make you sound like a arrogant tool. Games improve and get better through suggestions, maybe you should learn people have a right to suggest thigns they would like to see added.

Exoudeous · Aug 26, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Rhedd

You have no idea how cute that is. Seriously. Yay for internet anonymity.

Anyway, nothing more for me to say on the matter. Don't know why I posted this many times, since I'm not so much arguing as bitching.

It's cool that you're all happy with the non-visual transformation. It's also cool how none of you are ever going to complain about anything in the future. Because, of course, you'll remember that "you can't please everyone!"

I'll just have to get used to the fact that in this game, people turning into animals would be just stupid.

Now, where did I put those beetle juice tonics... ^_^

what anonymity, I am not hideing behind crap, and I am serious when I say you know nothing of game design.

Im sorry that your brain is to small to understand that the skills we get arnt transformations, I think you need to go look up what aspect means.

I also never said its not ok to complain, its just you are complaining about something you dont even understand. and THAT is cute, no wait not cute, Idiotic, yea that fits better.

IlikeGW · Aug 26, 2007, 06:35 PM // 18:35

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Originally Posted by Erik Fox

They've said over and over again that the Bear/Animal forms are a RACIAL trait of the Norn. We are not Norn. Be glad you can take on aspects of them now.

it's not racial they get it from a spirit. I think Anet is calling it racial in terms of it's the only race that will do that in GW2. however in GW1 we commune with the SAME spirit they do and get powers from it just like them.

and even if we don't shapeshift, the current spell effects seem to be utter crap/ not finished at all.

wolfwing · Aug 26, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Thats my same thought about it, it's something they do normally due to their connection with the animals, but not something they HAVE just because they are norn. Remember Jora loses her ability to become the bear after she loses favour.

DeBron · Aug 26, 2007, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Anyone else think that you should get a full bar of skills when you use the Raven/Ursan/Volfen blessings? Those 3 empty slots seem like such a waste.

Rhedd · Aug 26, 2007, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

what anonymity, I am not hideing behind crap, and I am serious when I say you know nothing of game design.

Im sorry that your brain is to small to understand that the skills we get arnt transformations, I think you need to go look up what aspect means.

I also never said its not ok to complain, its just you are complaining about something you dont even understand. and THAT is cute, no wait not cute, Idiotic, yea that fits better.

Sorry. What I said was easily misunderstood. I meant I was hiding, not you.

And, that would've been the end of my post, but then you had to go and get all nasty and insulting, and I've been working hard all day to make games for people like you, (Yes, I know it's the weekend.) and it's late, and I'm in a bad mood. So, with no excuses for bragging, and without further ado, here are some of the games I've worked on:

Unreal Championship
Unreal Tournament 2003
Pariah
Unreal Tournament 2004
The Movies
Auto Assault
Star Trek: Legacy
Oblivion
Empire Earth III
Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s
Mythos
To End All Wars
Fracture
Hellgate: London

So, what about you, Exoudeous? What games have you worked on that I've enjoyed playing?

See, I understand your position just fine. I just don't agree with it.

(Man, making that list made me realize how horribly out of date my website is. Bleah.)

Derek · Aug 26, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

What if the Norns actually use these blessings spells to change themselves!? I mean A.net might have given us these blessings to give some feeling of the Norns in GW 2. What they will be like.

Also with racial I think a.net means more like the Norns are the only ones capable of transformation, NOT that they get it at birth or something.

wolfwing · Aug 26, 2007, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Well I can see them keeping the transformation to them in 2, but since we can't chose Norn it be nice if we could check it out ourselves.

Exoudeous · Aug 26, 2007, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Rhedd

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lol if that isnt a list of "meh" games I dont know what is.

And unless you had complete creative control over any of them ( and even then id have to lol cause none of those are close to being original) my statement still stands.

I don't care what you don't agree with becasue you refuse to understand anything at all, and now you try to show an e-peen by claiming you work on this stuff. You claim that the game doesnt push enough stuff and yet nothing on that lsit of yours pushes anything at all.

show me the part where this has anything to do with transforming into an animal? fail