Curse

MithranArkanere · Sep 02, 2007, 06:20 AM // 06:20

It's the way Anet has to say 'thank you' to botters and ebayers.

Endow Gee · Sep 02, 2007, 06:58 AM // 06:58

This armor’s are made for high class people like me! They are not made for people who can’t afford. If you want armor then start doing solo farm to UW and collect ecto’s. It’s the reason why they change the favor to entire world so that it would be easy for everyone to farm. Think about knuckle head! It’s so easy to make Gold’s and materials if you use your brain.

Series · Sep 02, 2007, 07:19 AM // 07:19

I don't care about the gloves or anything like that. If people with absolutely no life want to make their e-peen look bigger, let them. My problem is the ridiculous rank requirement to access armor and weapon crafters. Anet provides NO way to access these crafters WITHOUT grinding. Quest all you want... the quests wont even bring you to the lowest title alone! I don't get it... please explain to me, anet. What does anyone have to gain by making these crafters exclusive to people who spend hour upon hour farming? The stuff STILL costs a lot of gold, it is just MIND BOGGLING why they would make the titles go SO HIGH and provide NO WAY TO REACH THEM without GRINDING AWAY. At least add some Fast-Faction-Farming-esque repeatable quests so we can spam the quests and get it over with... it is ridiculous and REALLY makes the game grind wars.

Jongo River · Sep 02, 2007, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Endow Gee

This armor’s are made for high class people like me! They are not made for people who can’t afford. If you want armor then start doing solo farm to UW and collect ecto’s. It’s the reason why they change the favor to entire world so that it would be easy for everyone to farm. Think about knuckle head! It’s so easy to make Gold’s and materials if you use your brain.

I'm pretty sure "high class" people are supposed to have manners and not brag or put others down. A chav, on the other hand...

Besides, your arguments don't really cover the collector stuff - which is rather hard to farm, since loot scaling.

Doucet · Sep 02, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

GW:EN was made to challenge the veteran players, everything in the game is optional, nothing is needed in order to do the game, its all just to add to our previous characters. If you cant get the items together to create Chaos Gloves, too bad then, stop whining about it. It's all for the experienced players who have horded away all their ectos and money for all this time, finally something to spend it all on. They made all the nice items that high priced for a specific reason, it's so not everybody can get them.

If you dont want to grind to rank 5 of a title to get armor, grind 100 of an item to get some new gloves, or anything else GW:EN has for that matter, then just don't bother, and stop crying about it all over these threads.

Series · Sep 02, 2007, 07:36 AM // 07:36

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Originally Posted by Doucet

GW:EN was made to challenge the veteran players, everything in the game is optional, nothing is needed in order to do the game, its all just to add to our previous characters. If you cant get the items together to create Chaos Gloves, too bad then, stop whining about it. It's all for the experienced players who have horded away all their ectos and money for all this time, finally something to spend it all on. They made all the nice items that high priced for a specific reason, it's so not everybody can get them.

If you dont want to grind to rank 5 of a title to get armor, grind 100 of an item to get some new gloves, or anything else GW:EN has for that matter, then just don't bother, and stop crying about it all over these threads.

lol, because all the best Guild Wars players are the ones with ecto stashed away...

The fact is, we bought this game with the following advertised: 40 new sets of armor. The only way to get this armor is to grind, endlessly killing the same old monsters over and over again. Sorry some of us have lives.

lunksunkunk · Sep 02, 2007, 07:46 AM // 07:46

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Originally Posted by RSGashapon

Gold Sinks or Loot Scaling... one or the other, you can't have both.

You don't drill a hole into the bottom of a leaky boat to drain the water.

Haha i got a good laugh out of that analogy, maybe cuz im a little drunk also but yea, back on topic.

GW:EN = Grind Wars : Excessive Nonsense.

But hey, i crafted Vabbian armor back when the cost for gems altogether was almost close to the cost of crafting FoW armor. I guess that makes me a hypocrite. o.O

MirageMaster · Sep 02, 2007, 07:47 AM // 07:47

Everything is optinal,even playing this bloody game or reading some RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOers here or buying GW 2... anet is also optiona lto grind for my money.

Iuris · Sep 02, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

There should always be a reward for playing - you need a goal to strive for while playing.

Guild wars is still grind free. While players with thousands of hours played may get extra good looking items, those who only play a little are still at the same performance level. You won't lose group compatibility if you are wearing 1.5k armor. That's what no grind means.

The only functionality related to the grind activities are the PvE skills. There, grind means extra functionality. But even there, you can see the benefits of a higher title are not all that great - most of the skill effect is already present at title levels about 3 - that's what you get for simply playing through the game.

On another note: stop abusing the term common. It's primary function is to express the notion of universality. Common cause, common ground.

Droniac · Sep 02, 2007, 08:19 AM // 08:19

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Originally Posted by Series

Anet provides NO way to access these crafters WITHOUT grinding. Quest all you want... the quests wont even bring you to the lowest title alone!
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At least add some Fast-Faction-Farming-esque repeatable quests so we can spam the quests and get it over with... it is ridiculous and REALLY makes the game grind wars.

Have you yet to play the game, or are you just commenting based on the sneak-peek weekend or other people's experiences? ArenaNet actually lowered the required ranks to be able to talk with faction-specific NPCs (3/4/5 instead of 3/5/7) - and those ranks are very easily attained, without grinding. Just make sure you click one of those shrine NPCs whenever you go out questing and take your time doing whatever you want - I've already reached rank 4 Norn and rank 3 Dwarf in that manner. There are also many dozens of repeatable quests that make for easy faction if you want to.

I understand complaining about the high cost for those gauntlets - because 75 ectos just seems ridiculous for a pair of gauntlets. Although I can understand why they raised the Glacial ones, because quite a few people already had them in the sneak-peek, and the required items are very easy to farm if you so desperately want them.

evil hambone · Sep 02, 2007, 08:28 AM // 08:28

I thought the whole "high-end/low-end" content was supposed to be for skill levels, not gold levels. 75 is way too much, even obsidian armor chest pieces don't require that much, 35-50 is a much more logical number. Also, to those who don't think title grinds are not "grinds," it took 20 hours to grind to ebon rank 5. More quests need to be added, so one can at least obtain rank 3 without doing numerous "map clearing" runs.

zwei2stein · Sep 02, 2007, 08:37 AM // 08:37

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

the whole point is to have more gold syncs, the prices of the items are fine the way they are, if you dont like them, GOOD NEWS you dont have to get them.

No, those collector thingies are time sinks.

Thou i can imagine they would be nice thing to sell to players when you dont want that armor piece.

DeathShadowX · Sep 02, 2007, 08:41 AM // 08:41

Its hard to actually get money, with the anti farm code kicking in once you do a map and such few drops, also its quite a pain to sell anything now days with green items around.

Tell me please, whats the point of and expansion with "new content" [and i use this term VERY loosely, more like re-skinned content] where none of the new content is attainable without quantities of money and materials that will almost never be seen by players who can only play during their free time. I don't remember factions [imo the best expansion] forcing you to kill monsters over and over, and OVER.. in the same map just to get points to buy some armor. Sure I am not FORCED to get these new items, but what the point of me or anyone else buying the game without getting the "new content" so widly advertised.

Yawgmoth · Sep 02, 2007, 08:52 AM // 08:52

Rotfl @ all whiners

Seriously, you want to be able to get any single item after playing 1 day? Maybe want a cheat code that displays a complete list of everything so you can pick as many as you want from it for free?

Instant gratification ftl !

There are good reasons for having those prices as high as they are and thankfully the devs knew them. They even helped ectos maintain their value which have been constantly dropping down and down. Remember that GW:EN is here to provide gameplay until GW2 release, there may be no more big content updates.

Also, I don't get how you call "Common" stuff which is obviously meant to be Elite. The only way it's "common" is that it's common for all professions which is a new feature.

There are much more important things to worry about, like the failure of HoM or horrible reskins of most armors...

Edit: typo...

Zabe · Sep 02, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53

Why the hell is whiners whining from everything now? This will be a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing Grind Wars because there is 2 or 3 years to grind! There won't be any expansions that we would know at the moment, ofcourse they have the backdoor opened so there might be something coming. But still, you don't whine from FoW set prices? Why you whine from chaos gloves? They are end game armor, for 20 lvl characters and no, you don't need to buy them. Any kind of strange force won't say you: "GET THEM". So, if you can't afford them, then just cry moar QQ

Vahn Roi · Sep 02, 2007, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

the whole point is to have more gold syncs, the prices of the items are fine the way they are, if you dont like them, GOOD NEWS you dont have to get them.

Quoted for truth. So sick of people QQing about prices. Stuff is cheaper than it has ever been. But no, everyone wants to have every cool new item during the weekend of release.

Doucet · Sep 02, 2007, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by evil hambone

I thought the whole "high-end/low-end" content was supposed to be for skill levels, not gold levels.

To get the gold you need to have the skill level(unless your a bot farmer or an eBay'r, which in both cases you will probably end up getting banned)

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Originally Posted by Series

The fact is, we bought this game with the following advertised: 40 new sets of armor. The only way to get this armor is to grind, endlessly killing the same old monsters over and over again. Sorry some of us have lives.

Well actually, you can go do dungeons, Take the shrine NPC buff and go kill monsters(what your talking about, grinding) Or go do the many quests they have lined up to give the points. And it's hardly grinding as you have objectives, bosses to beat etc. Your choosing one of many options for getting the title and criticizing it just because you fight the same monsters over and over again, may I remind you that getting this armor, getting the titles are optional? They're not forcing you to grind these titles through fighting the same mobs over and over, your just trying to go about it in the fastest way because you want the armor quick and ArenaNet threw an obstacle in your plans. Meanwhile just normally taking the NPC buff at each shrine while you progress the storyline will get you at least r3 before you beat the game.

And they did what they advertised, in fact theres more than 40 sets, 4 for each profession plus the Common Armor. Your complaining over the fact that you cant afford it or you don't want to grind the title to r5. I guess you'll have to settle with Droknar's Forge armor then wont you? It's not ArenaNet's fault that your too lazy to get to r5, the reason they worked that into the game is so that you don't get everything you want right away, it takes work to get it which you obviously don't like. I think this is a better game for you: http://www.addictinggames.com/pingpong.html

Burst Cancel · Sep 02, 2007, 01:13 PM // 13:13

The argument of grind, when applied to optional content, is entirely without merit.

There is a world of difference between requiring 75 ectos to beat the game, and requiring 75 ectos to purchase a completely optional prestige item that has absolutely no tangible, practical effect on your character's in-game performance. In case the difference isn't immediately obvious (I wonder about some of you ...), in the former case the grind is mandatory, in the latter case the grind is optional.

Optional grind is designed into games in order to give the hardcore crowd more things to do; it was never designed for casual players to begin with. Ergo, the rewards of such grind are designed to be out of reach of the casual players who "don't have time", essentially by definition.

The takeaway message: Stop crying. If you want the shinies, you'll have to work for them like everyone else.

The Herbalizer · Sep 02, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Lool, 75e is a very reasonable price. no new classes, no expensive armour, from looks of it no expensive items. o no a set of gloves is 75e, its the end of gw...

2 years till gw2 there needs to be stuff to work for and armour sets costing 100k or so dont rly cut it.

lets face it more than likely if u whine about 75e gloves you will whine about fow armour. and anet hasnt lowered the required of fow armour have they...

WinterSnowblind · Sep 02, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

It's common in the sense that any profession can wear it. Not that it's easy to obtain.

In my opinion, I like that you actually have to earn it, if it was just downright given to you, it would mean nothing, it wouldn't be special, and EVERYONE would be wearing it. Imagine if the ninja or dread masks where easy to obtain? They would no longer be cool, just annoying. As it is now, if you see someone wearing them, chances are you're going to stop and say "wow!".

Guild Wars is still very much a game that can be enjoyed by casual gamers, but that does not mean everything in the game should be easy to get. It's the same with the 15k armour. If you want something special, then you have to go to the effort, but if you just want to casually play the game a few times a month with some friends, then standard 5k sets will do fine.

This whole argument is pointless. If you don't want to play, don't. But if you do, then you'll just have to accept that some things you have to work for, and that's what makes them special.