Curse

Diablo™ · Sep 03, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

It's a great expansion. I don't know where everybody is getting the impression of a so-called "grind", the expansion only came out just last weekend, and people are already complaining they can't get the high-end armors because they can't reach r5 Reps in just a few days...

Angelica · Sep 04, 2007, 12:39 AM // 00:39

If the "grind" is only required to get new armours ..... well it is fine by me because, I don't care much about armours.
What I have already satisfy my vanity and, if I really want a new one, I will have plenty of time to get it!

What I noticed in EotN is the scarcity of drops, even white one! No gold coins either, and the purple items you get from chests are #@@%##!!! Not worth the cost of lokspick.
I reached the conclusion that I'll be never surprised/pleased by a really nice drops again. Pity tho.

I think GW-EotN is a beautifull game with breathtaking scenaries, it makes me feeling the same way as the first time I started Prophecies in pre-searing!

/Angelica

Blkout · Sep 04, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

It's a great expansion. I don't know where everybody is getting the impression of a so-called "grind", the expansion only came out just last weekend, and people are already complaining they can't get the high-end armors because they can't reach r5 Reps in just a few days...

You seem to forget that PvE skills rely on that Rep also. I'm sure you meant to say that before you put your foot in your mouth.

Diablo™ · Sep 04, 2007, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by Blkout

You seem to forget that PvE skills rely on that Rep also. I'm sure you meant to say that before you put your foot in your mouth.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...94&postcount=7

no foot needed, thank you.

lacasner · Sep 04, 2007, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by Thom The Brawler

It would be nice if some MOD could take all these CRY ME A RIVER threads and merge them all together. It's becoming nothing but forum litter at this point.

This is like saying "I support cleaning our ocean and getting rid of pollution!", and simultaneously dumping your junk into a lake. GG.

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I think GW-EotN is a beautifull game with breathtaking scenaries, it makes me feeling the same way as the first time I started Prophecies in pre-searing!

I think if I wanted to see breathtaking pictures I'd go to an art museum. Games are about playing and, in the rpg case, advancing your character in different ways. SO the logic of scenery doesn't really cut it for me.

Diablo™ · Sep 04, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by lacasner

This is like saying "I support cleaning our ocean and getting rid of pollution!", and simultaneously dumping your junk into a lake. GG.

If there's a way we can get rid of them entirely, do let us know. Otherwise that lake will just have to do, at least the rest of us surfers wouldn't have to put up with the filth.

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Originally Posted by lacasner

I think if I wanted to see breathtaking pictures I'd go to an art museum. Games are about playing and, in the rpg case, advancing your character in different ways. SO the logic of scenery doesn't really cut it for me.

Not logic, it's difference of opinion. I think sceneries, gameplay and just about every factor in a game are all just as important. A little bit of shit is all it takes to ruin a barrel of whine.

lord dragon · Sep 04, 2007, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

It's a great expansion. I don't know where everybody is getting the impression of a so-called "grind", the expansion only came out just last weekend, and people are already complaining they can't get the high-end armors because they can't reach r5 Reps in just a few days...

I don't play GW for hours upon hours a day. I play to enjoy the game. When the game turns into a grind, I usually find something else to do. This is the reason I do not play WOW or other games like it. GW bills itself as a non grind game in the past. This has changed. You may not look at it as a grind, and for you it is not. I respect that.

For me, I look at $40 wasted. I have 1 character through the game to ensure I was accurate in my descriptions. For me, I am. It was a waste or time and money. The FUN value is not there for me. I will not take my other characters through the game, no reason when I can get all the skills I want right in the beginning.

As for the titles, I have no desire to even try for them. Heros? I have plenty of them already, why bother going through and opening up even more? Play areas, well, I have already said enough in other posts about that and how disapointing they are. Chests that require lock picks? I think I will take my chances on hard mode, better drops that are more useful.

So, with all of that said, I will not be playing EON as it sucks to me. It is not FUN, has no useful skills that I can't live without, is a waste of time in grinding that I swore I would never do again in a game.

I look forward to GW2 as from what I am being told is being done by the Prophecies/Nightfall team. I hope this is true as both were fine products that I felt I would pay a whole lot more for the fun I get. This expansion is disapointing. The graphics are great and I look forward to DX10 graphics in GW2.

See you in the other 3 areas as this is where I will be. Where the game is fun and I enjoy myself.

Just one quesiton for you that I asked in another thread, do you work for ANET? Asking only as you support the whole game completly without seeing any flaw that I have seen you post about.

Diablo™ · Sep 04, 2007, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

I don't play GW for hours upon hours a day. I play to enjoy the game. When the game turns into a grind, I usually find something else to do. This is the reason I do not play WOW or other games like it. GW bills itself as a non grind game in the past. This has changed. You may not look at it as a grind, and for you it is not. I respect that.

For me, I look at $40 wasted. I have 1 character through the game to ensure I was accurate in my descriptions. For me, I am. It was a waste or time and money. The FUN value is not there for me. I will not take my other characters through the game, no reason when I can get all the skills I want right in the beginning.

As for the titles, I have no desire to even try for them. Heros? I have plenty of them already, why bother going through and opening up even more? Play areas, well, I have already said enough in other posts about that and how disapointing they are. Chests that require lock picks? I think I will take my chances on hard mode, better drops that are more useful.

So, with all of that said, I will not be playing EON as it sucks to me. It is not FUN, has no useful skills that I can't live without, is a waste of time in grinding that I swore I would never do again in a game.

I look forward to GW2 as from what I am being told is being done by the Prophecies/Nightfall team. I hope this is true as both were fine products that I felt I would pay a whole lot more for the fun I get. This expansion is disapointing. The graphics are great and I look forward to DX10 graphics in GW2.

See you in the other 3 areas as this is where I will be. Where the game is fun and I enjoy myself.

Just one quesiton for you that I asked in another thread, do you work for ANET? Asking only as you support the whole game completly without seeing any flaw that I have seen you post about.

and here's your answer: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=83

I think it's a matter of difference in goals, I don't care for high tier titles, I certainly won't be making an ordeal to get them. I already had my share of grind... for my Fow armor.

Grind isn't fun, but its a synonym for "work", as anything we wan't in life takes some "Grinding" to get to. We go to work, we grind, and it overloads on us when we become fixed on the goal that we forget to just take a chill pill, and relax. It's not a competition... that's PvP, and this... is PvE. Everything you can achieve for will always be there, and it's the rush to be #1 ASAP that's whats sending us to the battlefields 3 am in the morning.

When the game becomes work, we need to take a break from the break itself.

lord dragon · Sep 04, 2007, 06:35 AM // 06:35

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

and here's your answer: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&postcount=83

I think it's a matter of difference in goals, I don't care for high tier titles, I certainly won't be making an ordeal to get them. I already had my share of grind... for my Fow armor.

Grind isn't fun, but its a synonym for "work", as anything we wan't in life takes some "Grinding" to get to. We go to work, we grind, and it overloads on us when we become fixed on the goal that we forget to just take a chill pill, and relax. It's not a competition... that's PvP, and this... is PvE. Everything you can achieve for will always be there, and it's the rush to be #1 ASAP that's whats sending us to the battlefields 3 am in the morning.

When the game becomes work, we need to take a break from the break itself.

On that we agree. When it becomes work, we need to find a different outlet for out enjoyment. I love the other 3 games, so I will spend my time there. I will encourage other people to get the games as I have in the past. I just will warn them that EON is not like the other 3 and def not worth the money so they know what they are getting. I know I have conviced quite a few to not buy it and get one of the other campains instead with the $$ so they would enjoy themselves more.

I just hope that people don't judge GW by EON.

Diablo™ · Sep 04, 2007, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

I just hope that people don't judge GW by EON.

That you can't judge for them. What if they're like me? What if they would've loved the game as I did?

They have to try it out for themselves to be the judge. If you ask me, I say it's worth the money, but neither of us can indoctrinate that opinion on anyone else.

Terra Xin · Sep 04, 2007, 07:32 AM // 07:32

Well, this game has been out for 4-5 days. Based on the initial half-thought reactions towards Nightfall and Factions, I'd say that we'd expect everything that was said in all threads like these become totally irrelevant in about a month. What a bore...

Gigashadow · Sep 04, 2007, 08:00 AM // 08:00

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

It's a great expansion. I don't know where everybody is getting the impression of a so-called "grind", the expansion only came out just last weekend, and people are already complaining they can't get the high-end armors because they can't reach r5 Reps in just a few days...

Whether they do it in 2 days or 20 days, the total amount of real time spent actually doing the repetitive mob grinding is the same, so I don't see how that is relevant.

pamelf · Sep 04, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by blueone

I just can't believe the amount of people complaining over how the freaking armour looks. Who gives a crap? Except for the vain, of course.

AND THE GIRLS! oh wait...we usually are vain.

But seriously, for me the armour is the best part of the game, it makes the grind and the farming worth while. If I didn't have anythign good to work towards (like armour) I'd just stop playing, and I know a lot of people are just like me. If enough of us stopped playing it simply wouldn't be economically viable to even keep GW running anymore, so honestly, making crappy armour was a REALLY bad move...

Diablo™ · Sep 04, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Whether they do it in 2 days or 20 days, the total amount of real time spent actually doing the repetitive mob grinding is the same, so I don't see how that is relevant.

because killing 10,000 monsters in 4 days will feel more like a grind than killing 100,000 monsters over the course of 4 weeks, doing dungeons, finishing missions, and doing random quests.

If you're grinding for the sake of grinding, then there's no way around it, but most of the stuff that requires you to grind are not time sensitive, nor are they so mandatory. It's when you're rushing to get something are you forced to sit down, ignore everything else, and just do that boring thing. Why the rush?

Vlaamse Leeuw · Sep 04, 2007, 10:28 AM // 10:28

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Originally Posted by Angelica

If the "grind" is only required to get new armours ..... well it is fine by me because, I don't care much about armours.
What I have already satisfy my vanity and, if I really want a new one, I will have plenty of time to get it!

What I noticed in EotN is the scarcity of drops, even white one! No gold coins either, and the purple items you get from chests are #@@%##!!! Not worth the cost of lokspick.
I reached the conclusion that I'll be never surprised/pleased by a really nice drops again. Pity tho.

I think GW-EotN is a beautifull game with breathtaking scenaries, it makes me feeling the same way as the first time I started Prophecies in pre-searing!

/Angelica

Graphics of GWEN : OK
Getting Armor in GWEN : FAIL
(imagine getting new armor for my 10 char's...)
Bonuses from titles : FAIL
Hall of monuments : FAIL
(not necessary at all)
Story of GWEN : OK
New weapons skins : OK
Droprate : BIG FAIL

That's the reason I quoted the post bove. Used about 50 lockpicks by now and oh boy, big OMG feeling. Wellcounted 6 crappy Golds, old skins btw, rest purple crap. 1.5k for 1 key too get totally crap.... Common Anet, either chance the cost for lockpicks or place other chests. "Vanquished" every spot now with guildies, not a single green for no1. I looked forward too new weaponsskins but with droprates like this I can w8 till GW2 comes out too find a nice item...

Some peeps are disappointed in armors, some in titles, well I can understand that, after 2 years gameplay its hard too make something fresh and new but damn for Christs sake they can surely work on droprates. They changed dropsystem so that money is harder too get, but with droprates for weapons like this the price too pay if U want such item isn't low either. Some peeps will laugh now and think, dude just use a bot. Well I am not laughing,I dont use bots or have every day free too play. Asking around in our guild, I figured out most of the guy's were complaining too about the droprates and I bet a lot more peeps. So if u ask me if GWEN is good , I'd say: I've seen better, much better before...

IslandHermet · Sep 04, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

I agree with the post above me in the fact that Anet makes earning money soo hard but still charges a arm and a leg for items as well as keep nerfing the drop rates just because Bots are Farming to death how bout they give us a larger droprate and start focusing more on stoping the bot expliotation
Take UW for example i Dual run with a 55or 105 monk and ss clear to the point where their are no more monsters that are reachable do 2-3 spider quests if we have the people we to the spider capping service and still only yeald 1-2 ectos if that anymore seems as of latley the ectos have been getting scarcer i mean when you do 3-5 full complete runs and get no ectos whats the point in the UW anymore for that matter whats the point in Farming at all if the Drops/Loot/Money earned is not worth the Time invested thats just my opninion they seem to have changed the drops and loot prices to fix the Price scalling but failed since people are stil trying to rip noobs off with outragous prices changing the droprate seems trivial to how many people try to get some crazy price from a item knowing its not worth that much just cause they feel like riping some poor newbie off, that does not seem right and these are the same people who complain about prices its a loop
the problem is that all the people chargin and paying outragous prices seem to complain about it but dont change their ways which leads to no change in price scalling which in turn means Anets attempts to bring prices down are futitle

Camulus Great Point I posted mine in another thread but its the same jist Anet And the Company Nscoft love Money dont charge a monthy fee but dont release the game people would like to see which in turn=loss of money Anet needs to work on getting a few more smart people incharge of these things and they cant say money is a issue due to your statment
Here is Anets Head/head in Dirt righting with pen on Legal Documents hey he signed it seems it works send it to the prints!!!!
A little joke their for you guys hope you see the point

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"AND THE GIRLS! oh wait...we usually are vain. But seriously, for me the armour is the best part of the game, it makes the grind and the farming worth while. If I didn't have anythign good to work towards (like armour) I'd just stop playing, and I know a lot of people are just like me. If enough of us stopped playing it simply wouldn't be economically viable to even keep GW running anymore, so honestly, making crappy armour was a REALLY bad move... "

the fact is not alot of people care about armor and the statment GW would not be economicall viable is just ingornent pardon spelling people who play to get armor only consist of maby 10% of the Gw commnuity Their is not enough armor diversity to simply play for that one reason.

wetsparks · Sep 04, 2007, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

I agree with the post above me in the fact that Anet makes earning money soo hard but still charges a arm and a leg for items as well as keep nerfing the drop rates just because Bots are Farming to death how bout they give us a larger droprate and start focusing more on stoping the bot expliotation
Take UW for example i Dual run with a 55or 105 monk and ss clear to the point where their are no more monsters that are reachable do 2-3 spider quests if we have the people we to the spider capping service and still only yeald 1-2 ectos if that anymore seems as of latley the ectos have been getting scarcer i mean when you do 3-5 full complete runs and get no ectos whats the point in the UW anymore for that matter whats the point in Farming at all if the Drops/Loot/Money earned is not worth the Time invested thats just my opninion they seem to have changed the drops and loot prices to fix the Price scalling but failed since people are stil trying to rip noobs off with outragous prices changing the droprate seems trivial to how many people try to get some crazy price from a item knowing its not worth that much just cause they feel like riping some poor newbie off, that does not seem right and these are the same people who complain about prices its a loop
the problem is that all the people chargin and paying outragous prices seem to complain about it but dont change their ways which leads to no change in price scalling which in turn means Anets attempts to bring prices down are futitle

Camulus Great Point I posted mine in another thread but its the same jist Anet And the Company Nscoft love Money dont charge a monthy fee but dont release the game people would like to see which in turn=loss of money Anet needs to work on getting a few more smart people incharge of these things and they cant say money is a issue due to your statment
Here is Anets Head/head in Dirt righting with pen on Legal Documents hey he signed it seems it works send it to the prints!!!!
A little joke their for you guys hope you see the point

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"AND THE GIRLS! oh wait...we usually are vain. But seriously, for me the armour is the best part of the game, it makes the grind and the farming worth while. If I didn't have anythign good to work towards (like armour) I'd just stop playing, and I know a lot of people are just like me. If enough of us stopped playing it simply wouldn't be economically viable to even keep GW running anymore, so honestly, making crappy armour was a REALLY bad move... "

the fact is not alot of people care about armor and the statment GW would not be economicall viable is just ingornent pardon spelling people who play to get armor only consist of maby 10% of the Gw commnuity Their is not enough armor diversity to simply play for that one reason.

I've got to say, that is one impressive run on sentence. But if I read your post right, I think I agree with you. People like to play RPGs to experience the story, advance their characters, feel the hero, and gather awesome loot from beating up on bad guys. The story in Guild Wars I so-so, there is no character advancement (which we were told would happen in GW:EN), you don't feel the hero because you are so dependent on other people, and they keep taking away more and more loot. The armor in GW:EN could have been the greatest armor that they had come up with yet, but unless you are lucky enough to find a "rare weapon" and then even luckier to find a buyer or just like to power trade, you can't get the money to get the new armors.