Curse

Missmelady · Sep 07, 2007, 01:49 PM // 13:49

First off I believe Gw Team deserves a thank you. It has been a long time since I have enjoyed the beauty of Tyria. It was nice to come back. As stated in the many many other topics GW:EN is not a standalone campaign it is a expansion.

Def of expansion: Added content to a game that was not able to be added to normal game.

As an expansion GWEN is exactly what I expected.
1. Armors- People why are you crying about no new armors. First of all this is Tyria we are on NOT a new campaign.
2. Weapons- Again we are in Tyria NOT a new campaign
3. Story was too short- ITS A FREAKING EXPANSION NOT A STAND ALONE GAME. Hence forth it is supposed to be shorter because it is merely adding content.
4. Character slots- Everyone is very capable of spending say 10 dollars bringing total cost of GWEN to $50 to get an extra character slot. Plus why do you need another one there are no new classes.
5. Heros- I love em and so do many others. It allows me to play the game how I want it to be played. I dont have to group with people that are dumb either.
6. Grind- Needed to be added. If everyone was able to get the armors easily what would be the point. Everyone would be complaining that their was no challange. If people took half the time to farm rep. points then they did at flaming the game on guru they would have their armors all ready.
7. Grind/armors cont.- All i see are people complaining about the armors being reskins. Well if you dont like the armors why care about the grind?
8. Hom- Only thing in my opinon that needs some looking into.
9. Dungeons- Amazing addition to the game. Love it and looking forward to future content.
10. No new eleites- Lie there are new eleites granted they are pve only and do not count towards any titles but they are a blast with the personnal favorite of Ursan blessing.

Thank you and if anyone wants to farm Norn rep with me my Ign is Glyphofhealing

Ghryphon · Sep 07, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I agree..for the most part

This is leading up to GW2...its the last thing we have until it comes out. No new elites kinda sucked, I was looking forward to getting some new stuff but no biggie.

The best part though would be the graphical upgrade it seemed to have been given. The landscape and overall design is just beautiful, and it really shines through.

As for the grind, its not required to beat the game so people hae absolutly no right to moan and complain about it. You are not forced to grind, its if you want to do it, you have something to do. Im sick and tired of reading all of these peoples posts about "omg gwen is such a grind, i hate this game, way to ruin gw, omg its not supposed to be a grind mmorpg". Shut up, seriously.

As with all new games, especially massive online, there will always be spots to tweak and change. Be happy all of your accomplishments in gw1 is at least going to gw2, so it wasnt 3 years of wasted time. HoM is a good idea, just needs to be modified a little.

Kudos to them for what they have done. GW is an outstanding universe, and they are a trend setter in the world of mmorpg for being a non-grind game. Awesome, awesome, awesome.

Only downside though is the release and how extremely poorly planned it was. They should have allowed people to buy keys online a week before release to better stop problems. My gf had to wait a few extra days because it kept saying our credit card was stolen, uhm...no. Poor planning ruined the launch, something that could have been fixed easily. A lot of people were turned away and quit because of this...and that sucks since GW is a really great game. That was my only complaint, but not game related.

Anyways, thats my 2 cents. Some will agree, some will disagree, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions

-Tiki

Star Gazer · Sep 07, 2007, 02:04 PM // 14:04

omg quick, close the thread!

Yanman.be · Sep 07, 2007, 02:05 PM // 14:05

GW:EN is exactly what I expected. That means good.

Rothen Kithkanan · Sep 07, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

I've refrained from adding to any of these posts before but i just want to add something to this regarding the setting. When i first stepped out intot he Ebon Vannguard area, its probably the first time i've gone "wow" since walking out into pre-searing all those years ago. is without doubt my favourite area in the game. even more so as it doesnt have annoying Assura all over the place calling me Booka are telling me they're busy

Sparda · Sep 07, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missmelady

First off I believe Gw Team deserves a thank you. It has been a long time since I have enjoyed the beauty of Tyria. It was nice to come back. As stated in the many many other topics GW:EN is not a standalone campaign it is a expansion.

Def of expansion: Added content to a game that was not able to be added to normal game.

As an expansion GWEN is exactly what I expected.
1. Armors- People why are you crying about no new armors. First of all this is Tyria we are on NOT a new campaign.
2. Weapons- Again we are in Tyria NOT a new campaign
3. Story was too short- ITS A FREAKING EXPANSION NOT A STAND ALONE GAME. Hence forth it is supposed to be shorter because it is merely adding content.
4. Character slots- Everyone is very capable of spending say 10 dollars bringing total cost of GWEN to $50 to get an extra character slot. Plus why do you need another one there are no new classes.
5. Heros- I love em and so do many others. It allows me to play the game how I want it to be played. I dont have to group with people that are dumb either.
6. Grind- Needed to be added. If everyone was able to get the armors easily what would be the point. Everyone would be complaining that their was no challange. If people took half the time to farm rep. points then they did at flaming the game on guru they would have their armors all ready.
7. Grind/armors cont.- All i see are people complaining about the armors being reskins. Well if you dont like the armors why care about the grind?
8. Hom- Only thing in my opinon that needs some looking into.
9. Dungeons- Amazing addition to the game. Love it and looking forward to future content.
10. No new eleites- Lie there are new eleites granted they are pve only and do not count towards any titles but they are a blast with the personnal favorite of Ursan blessing.

Thank you and if anyone wants to farm Norn rep with me my Ign is Glyphofhealing

1 Woot armors are reskins why did they do that, thats just fail /puke
2 Weapons no comments on that HoM related
3 yes it is to short 16 hours for the story line
4 char slots no comments
5 hero's some are nice but Anton a ascalonian sin ???????? and a Shining Blade Paragon WTF
6 Grind Still mad @ Anet i've started to play GW for the fun not for the grind iff i wanna grind i play Wow or Kalonline
7 Agree
8 Agree very soon IMO
9 Nice desig but people demant gimpbuilds and im not a fan of that kind of play
10 who care's it doesn't count for ya title titels are not a sign how good you are just that you where stupid anough to do it (purple heart syndrome)

Have nice day im off

Floski · Sep 07, 2007, 02:33 PM // 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missmelady

First off I believe Gw Team deserves a thank you. It has been a long time since I have enjoyed the beauty of Tyria. It was nice to come back. As stated in the many many other topics GW:EN is not a standalone campaign it is a expansion.

Def of expansion: Added content to a game that was not able to be added to normal game.

As an expansion GWEN is exactly what I expected.
1. Armors- People why are you crying about no new armors. First of all this is Tyria we are on NOT a new campaign.
2. Weapons- Again we are in Tyria NOT a new campaign
3. Story was too short- ITS A FREAKING EXPANSION NOT A STAND ALONE GAME. Hence forth it is supposed to be shorter because it is merely adding content.
4. Character slots- Everyone is very capable of spending say 10 dollars bringing total cost of GWEN to $50 to get an extra character slot. Plus why do you need another one there are no new classes.
5. Heros- I love em and so do many others. It allows me to play the game how I want it to be played. I dont have to group with people that are dumb either.
6. Grind- Needed to be added. If everyone was able to get the armors easily what would be the point. Everyone would be complaining that their was no challange. If people took half the time to farm rep. points then they did at flaming the game on guru they would have their armors all ready.
7. Grind/armors cont.- All i see are people complaining about the armors being reskins. Well if you dont like the armors why care about the grind?
8. Hom- Only thing in my opinon that needs some looking into.
9. Dungeons- Amazing addition to the game. Love it and looking forward to future content.
10. No new eleites- Lie there are new eleites granted they are pve only and do not count towards any titles but they are a blast with the personnal favorite of Ursan blessing.

Thank you and if anyone wants to farm Norn rep with me my Ign is Glyphofhealing

Why do people feel the need to be apologists for Anet. It's really sad.
1. When Anet touts "40 NEW ARMOR SETS!" for the game, then I expect, 40 actual new sets. Not 35 reskins and 5 kinda newish ones.
2. Grind. I love when pvers refer to grinding as "a challenge" It's not a challenge. It's just plain boring. What's so challenging about going outside and taking a blessing and watching your 3 SF eles blow shit up super fast? I was never /once/ challenged by grinding in any of these GW games. I have r5 asuran btw, just for the glasses.
3. Armor/Grind. There are a FEW pieces of armor, and I say pieces because let's face it, what are the most desired armor pieces right now? It's not whole sets of armor, it's chaos, destroyer, dragon gauntlets, ninja mask, asuran glasses. You can see people buying materials for those pieces everywhere. Go to longeye's ledge and you can see a good 5 people spamming WTB ALL YOUR CHARR CARVINGS!!! Go to Doomlore and you'll see more. That's where the grind is. Farming 250 goddamn charr carvings or 250 destroyer cores or 75 ecto or rank5 asuran just for that one blasted piece of armor.
4. I've never actually see anyone complain about weapons beyond in context with Hall of Monuments.
5. Who complains about heroes other than the fact that they seem to be retarded? For example, monsters quickly move out of aoe. My heroes seem to love to stand in it.

In short, you trumped up your list here of complaints. The only significant amount of complaining about GWEN was done about the poorly reskinned armors and the grinding, both of which are totally legitimate complaints. Anet shouldn't boast 40 new armor sets if more than half of them are shitty reskins. That's pretty deceptive marketing. And for a company that said grinding was something they were trying to keep their games away from, they sure failed here. More than half of this new game /is/ grinding. PvE skills? If you want them to be effective, better grind that title! Want consumables? Armor? Weapons? Better grind that title! Want those cool gloves or that cool headpiece? Better go grind 250 collectors items!

BTW: Dungeons, pretty... anticlimactic. I was totally expecting a different feel from previous GW games, what I got was more of the same, except.. worse drops. I just beat Frostmaw with a friend and heroes last night. Super duper easy, people complaining about difficulty = had really bad bad bad bad bad bars.

mafia cyborg · Sep 07, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

this is clearly a troll
i rate it at 7/10

Rothen Kithkanan · Sep 07, 2007, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floski

If you want them to be effective, better grind that title! Want consumables? Armor? Weapons? Better grind that title! Want those cool gloves or that cool headpiece? Better go grind 250 collectors items!

Well you've kinda hit the nail on the head there. IF you want the skill or the armor or the weapons or the consumable or the gloves you grind for it. If you dont want them you dont grind.

Its totally 100% optional.......

OlMurraniKasale · Sep 07, 2007, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Thanks ANet, great game.

I wish people would read the thread title and then decide logically, rationally to not just spam the opposite attitude in the threads that say THANK YOU/GREAT/AWESOME, etc etc. lol (I know, its a pipe dream, but still . . ..)

Floski · Sep 07, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rothen Kithkanan

Well you've kinda hit the nail on the head there. IF you want the skill or the armor or the weapons or the consumable or the gloves you grind for it. If you dont want them you dont grind.

Its totally 100% optional.......

That was my point. If you don't grind, you can finish this game in like 10 hours. More than half the "content" (lol, grind is content now) is pure grind. You don't want to grind? You're going to get 33% of a real game.

SpeedyKQ · Sep 07, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Yeah, I agree. It is easy to find little things to complain about, but there is far, far, more good than bad in EoTN, just like the first three games.

Sparda · Sep 07, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

the game is fine a little short but fine.
But why the grind al the sudden i started playing GW couse it was fun to play and no grind.

darktyco · Sep 07, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missmelady

1. Armors- People why are you crying about no new armors. First of all this is Tyria we are on NOT a new campaign.
2. Weapons- Again we are in Tyria NOT a new campaign

So what if it isn't a new campaign? What does it matter? If quality sucks, it sucks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missmelady

3. Story was too short- ITS A FREAKING EXPANSION NOT A STAND ALONE GAME. Hence forth it is supposed to be shorter because it is merely adding content.
4. Character slots- Everyone is very capable of spending say 10 dollars bringing total cost of GWEN to $50 to get an extra character slot. Plus why do you need another one there are no new classes.

Let me get this straight. You think it is fine that the armor and weapons stink, the story was short, and there were no character slots, all because the game is an expansion? But purchasing one extra character slot for a total of $50 USD, the price of a full campaign, is okay for an expansion? Eh? As to your question, people who would like to create one of every profession, or have an extra slot for a PvP character would like one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missmelady

6. Grind- Needed to be added. If everyone was able to get the armors easily what would be the point. Everyone would be complaining that their was no challange. If people took half the time to farm rep. points then they did at flaming the game on guru they would have their armors all ready.
7. Grind/armors cont.- All i see are people complaining about the armors being reskins. Well if you dont like the armors why care about the grind?

Grind did not need to be added, however, I don't disagree with all grind. Grind to get vanity items and titles is fine, but grind to increase the power of your skills is not fine. Time spent > player skill FTL.

I love EotN but I think most of your points are crap. Just because you like something doesn't mean you have to blindly defend every aspect of it.

DeathShadowX · Sep 07, 2007, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missmelady

First off I believe Gw Team deserves a thank you. It has been a long time since I have enjoyed the beauty of Tyria. It was nice to come back. As stated in the many many other topics GW:EN is not a standalone campaign it is a expansion.

Def of expansion: Added content to a game that was not able to be added to normal game.

As an expansion GWEN is exactly what I expected.
1. Armors- People why are you crying about no new armors. First of all this is Tyria we are on NOT a new campaign.
2. Weapons- Again we are in Tyria NOT a new campaign
3. Story was too short- ITS A FREAKING EXPANSION NOT A STAND ALONE GAME. Hence forth it is supposed to be shorter because it is merely adding content.
4. Character slots- Everyone is very capable of spending say 10 dollars bringing total cost of GWEN to $50 to get an extra character slot. Plus why do you need another one there are no new classes.
5. Heros- I love em and so do many others. It allows me to play the game how I want it to be played. I dont have to group with people that are dumb either.
6. Grind- Needed to be added. If everyone was able to get the armors easily what would be the point. Everyone would be complaining that their was no challange. If people took half the time to farm rep. points then they did at flaming the game on guru they would have their armors all ready.
7. Grind/armors cont.- All i see are people complaining about the armors being reskins. Well if you dont like the armors why care about the grind?
8. Hom- Only thing in my opinon that needs some looking into.
9. Dungeons- Amazing addition to the game. Love it and looking forward to future content.
10. No new eleites- Lie there are new eleites granted they are pve only and do not count towards any titles but they are a blast with the personnal favorite of Ursan blessing.

Thank you and if anyone wants to farm Norn rep with me my Ign is Glyphofhealing

Sounds so fanboi'd!

My response:
1- By your logic because its Tyria the armors should just be reskins, but if your using that logic the re-skins should be from tyria only and im 100% sure i saw some factions armor reskinned, therefore this logic is retarded and they should have gave us new armor.
2- Weapons , same as above, and the new weapons, while some nice, other are just not worth their current price [destroyer]
3- Story was short... lack of new content?, Story= content, for those who are slow, dummies >_>..
4- It's called wanting to play more classes then you currently can, and not everyone has the ability to pay online for xtra slots, thus ii would have paid $50 to get a new slot
5- heros were in before, and you can only use 3 at a time, so its not too much different than before, the only one who sounds dumb here is you..
6- grind- self explanatory
7- Armors= content [which is barely even new] and whats the point of buying the expansion so widely advertised as brining new content.
8- agree with you for once
9- same maps, reskinned and darkened, with Over power'd boss at end, woo.
10- PvP is a fun part of GW and shouldn't be neglected, even in a PVE expansion they could have given some new regular elites, its not as if they aren't usable in PvE. +...Those new PvE skills don't seem too thrilling to me.

kaheiyeh · Sep 07, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

The budget and time for GW:EN was obviously not as much as the campaigns (Mainly because it's an expansion). With this in mind, that's mainly the reason why most of the armors/weapons are just reskins; new weapons/armors would require a new model and skin to be made meaning more time/resources. The time they spent on the scenery of the new areas though, is remarkable.

Keeping in mind that this expansion sold for half the price of a normal expansion here, i'm nothing but satisfied with what I got. Great job Anet!

A11Eur0 · Sep 07, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missmelady

First off I believe Gw Team deserves a thank you. It has been a long time since I have enjoyed the beauty of Tyria. It was nice to come back. As stated in the many many other topics GW:EN is not a standalone campaign it is a expansion.

Def of expansion: Added content to a game that was not able to be added to normal game.

As an expansion GWEN is exactly what I expected.
1. Armors- People why are you crying about no new armors. First of all this is Tyria we are on NOT a new campaign.
2. Weapons- Again we are in Tyria NOT a new campaign
3. Story was too short- ITS A FREAKING EXPANSION NOT A STAND ALONE GAME. Hence forth it is supposed to be shorter because it is merely adding content.
4. Character slots- Everyone is very capable of spending say 10 dollars bringing total cost of GWEN to $50 to get an extra character slot. Plus why do you need another one there are no new classes.
5. Heros- I love em and so do many others. It allows me to play the game how I want it to be played. I dont have to group with people that are dumb either.
6. Grind- Needed to be added. If everyone was able to get the armors easily what would be the point. Everyone would be complaining that their was no challange. If people took half the time to farm rep. points then they did at flaming the game on guru they would have their armors all ready.
7. Grind/armors cont.- All i see are people complaining about the armors being reskins. Well if you dont like the armors why care about the grind?
8. Hom- Only thing in my opinon that needs some looking into.
9. Dungeons- Amazing addition to the game. Love it and looking forward to future content.
10. No new eleites- Lie there are new eleites granted they are pve only and do not count towards any titles but they are a blast with the personnal favorite of Ursan blessing.

Thank you and if anyone wants to farm Norn rep with me my Ign is Glyphofhealing

1: we were promised new armors

2: we were expecting new weapons

3: I'm with you there.

4: Alright, $50 for an expansion with one character slot. How much does Nightfall cost? $50, and that gives us 2 new character slots on an existing account, lots of new armor, new playable professions, and a huge storyline.

5: Also with you here. Love the new heroes. But nightfall has more than double the number.

6: GW was supposed to be a minimal-grind game. Noone is saying eliminate the grind. People are saying allow players to access the crafters at lower levels corresponding to completing the storyline and all of the primary quests. I.E. level 3...not level 5 which requires hours of grind after completing every dungeon, quest, storyline, etc for max points.

7: This is doublespeak. You say why worry about either because they're interconnected. Don't bitch because you won't like it anyway. Well, there are people complaining about the armors but not the grind, and visa versa. Oh, and HoM has slots for these new armors, so people who like completing everything they can are getting double hosed. Why have a second set of armor that looks like what they already have? I'd be pissed if I had ranger obsidian that looked exactly like one of the EOTN armors (vanguard?) that costs a tenth of what obsidian cost. Kills the prestige of the Obsidian...alot.

8: Needs more than "some" looking into. Everything needs to be changed.

9: Agreed

10: These elites cannot be used with any other skillsets or in PvP. May as well just fill up the bar with other signets and just have at it.

Nutshell: if Anet released an expansion with minimal new content, it should have a cost on par with the material gained. Half the new material or thereabouts as a new campaign: $25 max price. Not $40, which is what I paid for Factions after NF was released. We were hosed. Everything but the heroes and environment was rehashed. It's a good expansion, but it costs as much as a whole campaign.

Mai · Sep 07, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaheiyeh

The budget and time for GW:EN was obviously not as much as the campaigns (Mainly because it's an expansion). With this in mind, that's mainly the reason why most of the armors/weapons are just reskins; new weapons/armors would require a new model and skin to be made meaning more time/resources. The time they spent on the scenery of the new areas though, is remarkable.

Keeping in mind that this expansion sold for half the price of a normal expansion here, i'm nothing but satisfied with what I got. Great job Anet!

If the budget and time for GW:EN was obviously not as much as the other campaigns, then the main question still exists for many unhappy players...Why charge $40 for a half ass product?

Commander Ryker · Sep 07, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rothen Kithkanan

I've refrained from adding to any of these posts before but i just want to add something to this regarding the setting. When i first stepped out intot he Ebon Vannguard area, its probably the first time i've gone "wow" since walking out into pre-searing all those years ago. is without doubt my favourite area in the game. even more so as it doesnt have annoying Assura all over the place calling me Booka are telling me they're busy

Me too. I love it, it's like a really big pre-sear.

Darksun · Sep 07, 2007, 10:19 PM // 22:19

I pretty much love EotN except for 2 things:

RESKINS. That just hit me where it hurts.. HARD. (and then stomped on me with Faction requirements)

CUT & PASTE DUNGEONS. I mean.. Dungeons where the big selling point. Half the places are literally cut&paste sections. I dunno, I guess I is an XP. But I'm not sure if the % we payed for compared to the campaigns is equal to the % of content compared to the campaigns.