Curse

Healers Wisper · Sep 04, 2007, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Ravi

dont get me wrong the dungeons are awesome, but there wont be much replay value, since i already have the important items, even if anet wouldve gave us stats like these i wouldve been grateful : sword: 15-22 , 15^50 20/20 hp +40 that's all...

Naw this is just a bad idea. I think the gear situation is just fine. This game is more about "looks" the "function" in leet gear. I like that. I like the fact that a causual player can have same functioning equipment as a hard core player.

I collect rare skins and minis and the like because I like rare skins, dont want to have to farm just to play the game.

As for too expensive, naw I dont think so. I think it is just fine for the amount of hours I will put into it. Also the charactor slot arguement is just flat out dumb. You gonna tell me proph only cost $10, now -$20 in content cause most people get 4 slots (cause it is the first game) Give me a break. The additional slots are given so you can play the game and are placed under the max number of class so you will BUY new slots. Campaign = free slots < total # of class so people buy new slot for greater profit. Also as GW doesn't have a monthly charge and I will prob spend mroe then 3 months on EoTN it is cheeper then most MMO expansions. Quit complaining.

Pompeyfan · Sep 04, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Yes, way to expensive for what it was - I actually paid more for the expansion than any of the individual full games cost me (£17.99 each for chaps 1 to 3, £21.50 for GW:EN). At best, what we got was worth £9.99 as there are no new professions, no new individual elites to cap, new armours/weapons are just poor reskins and the only longevity from the game comes from boring, repetative bloody farming of points or materials, even the scenary nice though it is, is only mainly a copy of what we had before.

Even the drops suck - I've yet to see an onyx and I'm near the end of the campaign, and out of 47 chests opened only 3 produced gold items and they were crap ones.

Pompeyfan · Sep 04, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Yes, way to expensive for what it was - I actually paid more for the expansion than any of the individual full games cost me (£17.99 each for chaps 1 to 3, £21.50 for GW:EN). At best, what we got was worth £9.99 as there are no new professions, no new individual elites to cap, new armours/weapons are just poor reskins and the only longevity from the game comes from boring, repetative bloody farming of points or materials, even the scenary nice though it is, is only mainly a copy of what we had before.

Even the drops suck - I've yet to see an onyx and I'm near the end of the campaign, and out of 47 chests opened only 3 produced gold items and they were crap ones.

Buster · Sep 04, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

It only cost me 35 dollars since I ordered through the online store , plus for the people who did we get the bonus mission pack as well. I like GW:EN alot and it was worth the money to me. If you rush through the game then you are missing out on alot.

HawkofStorms · Sep 04, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Eh, almost everybody is going to say yes of course. Just because its human nature. Why pay for something when it could be cheaper or free? That doesn't really prove anything except that most people are thrifty.

IlikeGW · Sep 04, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

I think they should have just made it a chapter and made the armors decent, another explorable area or two, and a pvp mode. It's too late though so is it overpriced, yeah a bit.

Tempy · Sep 04, 2007, 08:49 PM // 20:49

It is very well done, but I too think it was overpriced for what we got. No it is not comparable to a full campaign.

wolfwing · Sep 04, 2007, 09:02 PM // 21:02

I think the real issue on the price of the game is that it's not much cheaper then the full campaigns that had ALOT more. Thats the HUGE issue. Why are we paying full price for much less content? The game is good, but not worth the price of just under what you paid for NF and got tons more stuff.

acidic · Sep 04, 2007, 09:13 PM // 21:13

overpriced and underdelivered.

Lonesamurai · Sep 04, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Question...

Did you get more than 10 hours play from GW:EN?

Yes?

Then you just got more playtime than you would have from BioShock (complete in 6 hours) and i'm into my 30th hour of GW:EN

GW:EN = £25 including pre-release pack through ingame store

BioShock = £35 on Steam or £25 if I'd gotten it from Play.Com

Darksun · Sep 04, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Eh, almost everybody is going to say yes of course. Just because its human nature. Why pay for something when it could be cheaper or free? That doesn't really prove anything except that most people are thrifty.

hmmm, I don't know if you're missing his point or we are just looking at it differently
@Lonesamurai
... I'm looking at it like this:
"Was GW:EN too expensive compared to the previous campaigns?"

I think i'd say yes. I don't know that we got 4/5 of the content that we did from, say, Nightfall.(the price ratio for me was 4:5) No new classes. No Character creation. The Armor is not really new(although the masks & gloves are kinda neat) No Elite skills, the touted dungeons are cut a pasted. TONS of monster rehash. I dunno.... Maybe it's just because I'm not big on dungeons and I was really looking forward to the 40 new armor sets... And the faction grind to ACCESS the armor was the ultimate kick in the pants...

VitisVinifera · Sep 04, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by acidic

overpriced and underdelivered.

second that

we should get partial refunds for doing all the debugging and playtesting too

Lonesamurai · Sep 04, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Darksun

hmmm, I don't know if you're missing his point or we are just looking at it differently
@Lonesamurai
... I'm looking at it like this:
"Was GW:EN too expensive compared to the previous campaigns?"

I think i'd say yes. I don't know that we got 4/5 of the content that we did from, say, Nightfall.(the price ratio for me was 4:5) No new classes. No Character creation. The Armor is not really new(although the masks & gloves are kinda neat) No Elite skills, the touted dungeons are cut a pasted. TONS of monster rehash. I dunno.... Maybe it's just because I'm not big on dungeons and I was really looking forward to the 40 new armor sets... And the faction grind to ACCESS the armor was the ultimate kick in the pants...

But you can't compare it to the previous campaigns, because this is an expansion, not a standalone campaign like the others... you need one of the others to play it, so how could you possibly in any sound mind even attempt to compare?

now ok, if they do a second expansion between now and GW2 i could understand comparing then, but you can't compare this to Prophecies, Factions or Nightfall, thats just stupid

Darksun · Sep 04, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

But you can't compare it to the previous campaigns, because this is an expansion, not a standalone campaign like the others... you need one of the others to play it, so how could you possibly in any sound mind even attempt to compare?

now ok, if they do a second expansion between now and GW2 i could understand comparing then, but you can't compare this to Prophecies, Factions or Nightfall, thats just stupid

Wow, you totally missed the point didn't you. At least read what I type before you say something...Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Lonesamurai · Sep 04, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Darksun

Wow, you totally missed the point didn't you. At least read what I type before you say something...Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

But your the one making comparisons between an expansion and the stand alone chapters that came before...

That makes yours and others arguments invalid and pointless and again i ask, how can you compare an expansion to Campaigns that came before? You knew it had no new classes, you knew how many skills you where getting, you knew it was going to be more of the same with bells and whistles as thats what we were told in many interviews, you knew there was no character creation and that it was for existing max lvl characters already, so again i ask, how can you compare and then complain when you knew what you were getting before you bought this EXPANSION

ergo, stop comparing, stop complaining

Kyosuke · Sep 04, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Guess what. Extra content plus still getting to play online for FREE. Yes, still worth it.

You still have to remember they provide free servers for everyone to play on.

So $40 USD isn't that bad at all. I was happy to pay it and would still do it again. I'm having fun after all

the_jos · Sep 04, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Well, considering price vs playability, Guild Wars including GWEN was better for me than most games I've bought in the last couple of years.
Most games I'm used to are playable for about 2-3 months and then get boring.
Think I play GWEN longer without getting bored, so that will make the good value for money.

Corwin_Andros · Sep 04, 2007, 10:07 PM // 22:07

I have yet to consider for even an instant that GW:EN wasn't a good value for the price, compared to the full campaigns or not. I've already spent more time in GW:EN than I have in most non GW games in several years.

So what if it wasn't loads cheaper than a chapter. It's still more than worth it. By the time I get tired of the GW:EN content, I'll probably have at least a 1000 hours put into it if not more, given the characters I plan on putting through it for the armors I actually like out of the 40 sets added. Plus I'm enjoying the hell out if the scenery, quests, and dungeons.

As for the repetitive scenery some are complaining about.. well DUH!! It's in the Shiverpeaks and Jungle areas of Prophecies as well as being similar to parts of pre-searing Ascalon. Why would it not look similar? Same goes with the dungeons having similar parts... How many of you have actually wandered around in real caves or barring that, watched any of the shows dealing with underground environments? No matter where in the world these places are, they all have a lot of the same sorts of stuff, regardless of the culture that used them.

I'm not saying everything is perfect by a long shot, but some folks just place their expectations way off the charts and then feel a lot more let down than if they had kept things a bit more realistic. Part of the problem I think, is that GW, as a whole, raised the bar on what people expect from a game. Now, every little perceived slip on Anet's part just seems a lot worse than it actually is in reality when compared to the products of other companies.

Darksun · Sep 04, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

But your the one making comparisons between an expansion and the stand alone chapters that came before...

That makes yours and others arguments invalid and pointless and again i ask, how can you compare an expansion to Campaigns that came before? You knew it had no new classes, you knew how many skills you where getting, you knew it was going to be more of the same with bells and whistles as thats what we were told in many interviews, you knew there was no character creation and that it was for existing max lvl characters already, so again i ask, how can you compare and then complain when you knew what you were getting before you bought this EXPANSION

ergo, stop comparing, stop complaining

You opened you mouth and proved it again. If you don't care to find out what someone is saying and just rant "that's stupid!" do it to someone's face, not on a forum.

Since you're having trouble grasping basic concepts:

Cut & paste dungeons, Armor reskins, LOTS of monster rehashing, limited HoM & faction grinding for armor were NOT some of the things that were shown before it came out. Because of that I think, perhaps, it's not worth 4/5 of the price. I think it's interesting that the only armor they let us see in the preview event was the only set that wasn't reskins. They know.. Besides, even if we DID know for certain the game was only coming with 1/2 the content doesn't mean that all the sudden it's ok to charge 4/5 the price.

Pompeyfan · Sep 04, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Question...

Did you get more than 10 hours play from GW:EN?

Yes?

Then you just got more playtime than you would have from BioShock (complete in 6 hours) and i'm into my 30th hour of GW:EN

GW:EN = £25 including pre-release pack through ingame store

BioShock = £35 on Steam or £25 if I'd gotten it from Play.Com

Comparing to Bioshock it looks OK, but what about if you compare it to £25 Neverwinter Nights 2? Dosen't look as good then does it? Plus there's so much solo stuff now I might as well play an offline game with more depth and no repetative grind.