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Fr_3_aK · Sep 06, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Consider all armors in EOTN to be "end game". You cant get them normally even if u do all the quests.

So after you beat the game (and are in the "end game") you think "ok, i'll get armors now. Ok, u have to grind for them. Hmm i'll look them up before i invest 12 hours of mindless grinding. Ok, they're all reskins... "

- RQ GWs and bitch on a forum about how shit it is cuz it's not worth playing -

Scary · Sep 06, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Why cant they just make more hard to get Collector armors.
Wouldnt it be nice if there where full armors like the Chaos Gloves
or Destroyer Gauntlets or a dread mask.
And yes I agree that end game armor should be something special.

Sure there must be some basic armors but it would make the game a lot
more interesting if there where all kind of hard to get special skin armors all around the GW world.

Chiiya-Chiiya · Sep 06, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

Yeah, the armours are pretty disappointing.

Mai · Sep 06, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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Originally Posted by Day and Night

I'm not sure if this is 100% true as i don't play WoW, but...
i heard that World of Warcraft players don't like how some of WoW's high end armour look. Did they try a petitions to Blizzard? Has Blizzard change that armour? As i said i'm not 100% sure, but i think the answer is No. So even in game with monthly fee there were no such kind of changes?

Yes it's happened, two classes had it changed,Hunter class and Paladin class end game armor to be exact. Players hated it and the vast majority of the players wanted it to be changed so a couple months later blizzard had redesigned it.

Curar Partida · Sep 06, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

People jsut arn't getting it. This is an Expansion. Not a new campaign. Its the same old Tyria just new areas. There is no need for completly different looking armors. Its the same place. Im happy enough that they if put new armor in. Stop complaining about the reskins and enjoy them.

Factions armor looked completely different, right? Welll it was a different location with different culture. As with NF. Tyria is still the same continent area as Tyria. Once again, EXPANSION, not new game. GW2 will have way better seeing as its many years later. And expect a new part of the territories with different cultures.

CHunterX · Sep 06, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

The most you can say is, IMO, it sucks or its ugly. Which is fine.

Its not just me, its a great deal of people (or possibly a great deal of the same people, I haven't bothered to read the entire thread). And I'm not arguing that the Hero armor isn't great looking! It is great looking! Quite the contrary, we players should have gotten that high of quality for at least one set, not some heroes that no one could really give a rats ass of what they are wearing.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

No i get it. Warrior Kurzick base model is used in: Kurzick, Elite Kurzick, Sunspear, Elite Sunpear and Asura. Its repetitive and you get used to seeing that silhouette.

But what if the person who bought GW:EOTN doesnt have Factions OR Nightfall? What then?

Thats the thing, I think Areanet expected you to have the other Campaigns. See: Hall of Monuments, Baby Black Moa minipet, Norn Fighting Arena (which includes characters from all games).
Also, people have been running around in these armors regardless of what games you own, you are going to recognize them unless you spend minimal time in towns and with real players.

EDIT: Some more thoughts. I assume there would be less complaining if the armors had a decent requirement to achieve. As it is now, finishing a good majority of the quests for one race isn't nearly enough to even have the rank required to view the armor crafters. So you are forced to grind the title points to see the armor. (Whether this is a bad thing is an argument for another thread/time) I think after the dedication it takes to see the armor crafters, regardless how quickly you can farm the titles up (remember, not even half the players come to this site to look up the "best" farming locations, its going to take most players a lot longer than you or I), all players expected a little more than mismatched sets and reskins.

Also, this goes with the "resuse of armors no one liked"
The sets as it stands now don't even match themselves, I've heard complaints from Elementalists and Rangers for the most part, and could give you the example of the Warrior Monument armor; the top doesn't match the bottom. It looks like Elementalist Dwarven has this problem as well. I'd give you more examples but I'm only looking at the tiny thumbnails on the wiki, and spotting the two worst and viewing those. Running 56k and all.

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Originally Posted by Curar Partida

People jsut arn't getting it. This is an Expansion. Not a new campaign.

So the difference between 90% reskins of armor and weapons, and the apparent "copy paste" of dungeons I've been hearing (and lets face it, is a huge part of content for PvE players, which this expansion is geared towards) and 90% unique weapons, armor and area textures is $10?

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Case in point: 15k Aeromancer. It's the favorite set of quite a few, and it's only reskinned Krytan armor. You know, the armor set you can acquire in Pre? Took me awhile to notice it, at least.

Which is the point I was trying to get across to lyra. Reskins are fine if you can do them right. 15k Aeromancer is the best, hands down reskin throughout the entire game. Thats how you reskin an armor, not by hashing together mismatched sets and slapping a fresh coat of paint on them.

Scary · Sep 06, 2007, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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People jsut arn't getting it. This is an Expansion. Not a new campaign. Its the same old Tyria just new areas. There is no need for completly different looking armors. Its the same place. Im happy enough that they if put new armor in. Stop complaining about the reskins and enjoy them.

Arnt people just getting it ??? Its you that arnt getting it by mine opinion.

As the game says.. 40 NEW armor sets, the most players who bought GWen
where aspecting al lot more from it than we are getting now.
No, your right it isnt a new campain. But! There is a new story line, there are
new npc's etc. etc. So why not totaly differnt armors.
An as we all know, Arena Net did a great job at the End Game armors in
Nightfall, so they could surely put some more insperation in the armor design
in the expansion that is mented for al tose players that play GuildWars for such a long time.
No I realy dont care if the are extremely hard to get by getting titles.
But if they make it hard to get, let make it wurth al the time you have to
put in to it. Couse if the mijority of players dont like the armors, or when they
aspect more of it, than the expansion itself is half what it should be.

Its not tha case if you need new armor or not, its that those things give
these games that bit of extra to hold on to it.

Zunzun · Sep 06, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Curar Partida

People jsut arn't getting it. This is an Expansion. Not a new campaign. Its the same old Tyria just new areas. There is no need for completly different looking armors. Its the same place. Im happy enough that they if put new armor in. Stop complaining about the reskins and enjoy them.

GWEN is introducing new races, with totally different cultures. Same place, but not same people. I expected that norn armors look like actual norn armors (those norn are wearing), but they look like many human armors.

And many of the "new" armors are reskins of armors from factions and nightfall.

Tijger · Sep 06, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Scary

Arnt people just getting it ??? Its you that arnt getting it by mine opinion.

As the game says.. 40 NEW armor sets, the most players who bought GWen
where aspecting al lot more from it than we are getting now.

So basically what you are saying is that you expected something (based on nothing) and now you are whining that you didnt get what was never promised. Makes sense...

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No, your right it isnt a new campain. But! There is a new story line, there are
new npc's etc. etc. So why not totaly differnt armors.

I dont know, maybe they liked this better.

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An as we all know, Arena Net did a great job at the End Game armors in
Nightfall, so they could surely put some more insperation in the armor design
in the expansion that is mented for al tose players that play GuildWars for such a long time.

Umm..I have warrior Primeval armor and I am extremely disappointed by it, it looks like crap imho, funny enough I didnt start a petition to change Nightfall endgame armor.

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No I realy dont care if they are extremely hard to get, by getting titles.
But if they make it hard to get, let make it wurth al the time you have to
put in to it. Couse if the mijority of players dont like the armors, or when they
aspect more of it, than the expansion itself is half what it should be.

The majority of posters in this topic maybe and thats not even an overwhelming majority, please provide some proof that its the majority of players? Just because people had expectations that werent met doesnt mean the expansion isnt finished..but then, who knows what Anet has planned for the future.
In EVERY chapter before EN there have been crap, mediocre and great looking armors, EN is no exception.

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Its not tha case if you need new armor or not, its that those things give
these games that bit of extra to hold on to it.

I've seen 2 armors I've looked in EN...I only liked one in all of Factions, I only liked one in NF. For me, EN is therefore better then the other two.

fripple · Sep 06, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Tijger

I've seen 2 armors I've looked in EN...I only liked one in all of Factions, I only liked one in NF. For me, EN is therefore better then the other two.

Well, you're a known troll and blind Anet sycophant who can't tolerate anyone who doesn't spend their days blowing the devs, so who gives a shit what you think? Anyone who has it in their heads that there isn't an atypically strong negative response to player character options for this expansion is in denial. Period.

After a certain point anecdotal evidence becomes very hard to refute, and just because Anet are too bloody lazy to actually survey players themselves rather than relying on threads like these for their feedback is not our problem. In fact, the multiple official posts from Anet itself describing the importance of feedback threads should silence anyone who questions the representativeness of online commentary for an ONLINE GAME. This is not some TV show, you idiot. Every single person who plays this game has access to the internet, and a statistically significant number of them do visit online communities and websites devoted to it.

DrD · Sep 06, 2007, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Fr_3_aK

They need to REDESIGN all the EOTN armors. They're all shit reskins. If this is the level of quality to expect for GW2, im not buying it.

Agreed........

Mordakai · Sep 06, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

I think all Anet needs to do is add 10 unique, new complete sets of end game armor to GWEN and people will be happy.

Yes, this is "only" an expansion. But Anet said that the content would actually be more than a regular chapter, becuase they wouldn't have to spend time on "beginner areas" and new professions. The PvE skills dont have to be balanced as much, so that's less time. Reskin some old monsters and armor, use an existing Prophecy map, and you've saved yourselves some time. All this is acceptable to me: I like GWEN, I think the graphics, skills, Heros, voice-acting are the best ever in the Guild Wars series.

But I just don't get the lack of time spent on the armor. For many, it could just be the most important part of the game. Obviously, Anet spent some serious time working on GWEN, but they couldn't even fullfill their own promise of 40 new sets of armor? (Dwarven is not considered a set, not even by Anet).

I just don't get it. Anet dropped the ball on this one. I can't think of an easier thing that would please people. Just 10 new sets... 9 if they allow Eagle to be in HoM.

I MP I · Sep 06, 2007, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by KingKryton

excuse the poor quality

edit first ones leggings are luxon 1.5 not canthan

This is exactly what I was thinking. Well more plat to blow on some nice new weapons and shields.

Farcry Deathblade · Sep 06, 2007, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Curar Partida

Stop complaining about the reskins and enjoy them.

How the hell do you enjoy crap???

Bryant Again · Sep 06, 2007, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by I MP I

This is exactly what I was thinking. Well more plat to blow on some nice new weapons and shields.

Besides the face of the helmet, the rest of the Silver Eagle armor is completetly new, even though it does have a similar shape (mainly in the shoulders and skirt) as the 15k Luxon armor.

Curar Partida · Sep 06, 2007, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Reskinning makes plenty of sense. I mean, I can 8understand clearly how some of you, err most of you, are comlpaining about the armor, but think about for a sec. The continent is the same place, basically Tyria, right? Okay so there jsut reskinned.

I MP I - Well done with that iamge. But you have to admit it looks better in GW:EN than they did from the other other campaigns.

But, i have to agree with the some of the parts about them not being too great looking. I was depressed by the Monk armors. But they look better than most Prophecies ones. And i guessing they skipped the Tat's. But overall they arn't THAT bad of reskins. If it was a completely different region i could understand completely different armors. But, its not. Same place. They just changed them up a little. The Main endgame armors are really should be the different ones.

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Originally Posted by Farcry Deathblade

How the hell do you enjoy crap???

If ya dont like them then dont buy them? Then you dont have to worry about trying to enjoy them.

lyra_song · Sep 06, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Farcry Deathblade

How the hell do you enjoy crap???

Probably for the same reason some people like 15k Monk Kurzick (yuck).

Its called personal preference and tastes.

EinherjarMx · Sep 06, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

In the end, all I really can say is that I'm sorry to hear that some of you don't like the new armors, tell you that the dev team is actually quite proud of the GW:EN armor sets, and let you know that there are absolutely no plans to rework any existing armor in the game --Gaile

taken from here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...y/GW:EN_Armors

genofreek · Sep 06, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Well of course the dev team likes it. They slapped some new textures on existing meshes and called it a day. Nice job if you can get it, I guess. :-\

If every class had just one new set of armor, not a tired-looking reskin, well... it'd still be 1/4 of what we were promised, but I'd be happy enough with that. The sad offerings in GW:EN just look like the dev team phoned in one of the areas of the game with the highest demand in variation and quality. Ensign put it best:

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Low quality hackjobs on your armor models is a monumental failure on the part of your art management. If there is one set of models and textures that you want to be at the highest possible quality, it is those. A big part of the game for many players is avatar building and dressing up their character. Player armor models aren't one or two use models that get overlooked over the course of gameplay. They are heavily scrutinized and talked about models, whose main purpose is to occupy the very center of a player's screen 99% of the time.

When the graphics used to represent *your customers* look like rushed, slapped together rehashes, but the graphics used to represent their followers are gorgeous, displaying a lot of care and talent, it implies only one thing - the person in charge of allocating art resources failed spectacularly at understanding their product.

Bryant Again · Sep 06, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

taken from here: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...y/GW:EN_Armors

That's fine. At least give us the hero armors, or release new ones.