Curse

lord dragon · Sep 06, 2007, 11:38 PM // 23:38

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Originally Posted by Mineria

How doest it work with max prophecies armor? (Droknar)
Faction Kurzick/Luxon/Imperial armor?
Nightfall elite and the vabian set?

For not to forget the fact that GW:EN is an exspansion for level 20 characters.
If you don't like to get the last rank by grind, then don't.
Just remember that you need to do a bit more to get the sets from the campaigns.

Yeah, win the game. What a concept. LOL

Kinn · Sep 07, 2007, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by lakatz

Here's a no-brainer for you (and this is based on my priorities of course)...

<--- Drok's? Norn? --->

Doh... Norn!!!

Hehehe, it's interesting that you chose that picture because my main character happens to be a female ranger

Anyway, that said, if your enjoyment of the game revolves around what clothes your character is wearing, then that's fairly pathetic.

For me, Guild Wars is all about the mission/quest content, creating cool team builds, coming up with clever skill combinations, and interacting with others.

shmek · Sep 07, 2007, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Arcain

Yes, I have noticed those responses, and here is my reply to that kind of thinking. The armor looks nice, so I want the armor, I have paid for the game and I have beaten the story. So I should have access to something without having to grind for hours, turning something that should be fun into work.
Now for the people saying that the grind is easy, well….. get a job, and get a life…. Just because you like mindlessly clearing an area many many many many times over does not mean we all do, or even have the time if we wanted too.

You haven't "beaten" jack squat until you finish the grind you are talking about. You have merely completed a storyline... call that beating a game if it makes you feel like a conquerer or something you need.

HolyHawk · Sep 07, 2007, 01:53 AM // 01:53

At first, I also thought it was too much of grind, but later I realised that the amount of points required is ok. I scored 6k+ vanguard points while vanquishing Sacnorth Valley today in one run, and I didn't even went in the fire forest, just got the bonus from the shrines near it. That's one area with over 400 monsters, so it's easy to reach bonus+4 per kill and to keep the double points bonus one you get one. Same thing for Asura points and Magus Stones. Basically, leave the bosses alive, so you can run back to their spot and get the 200 points for killing a boss.

I don't mind if the rank did not count for the armor, but I think it kills the point of the title; I do however agree that it should be account based and not character based. FoW armor has been hard to get ever since the first day, yet people went for it; you get around 10k points just for doing the storyline and skill quests, 16k left that can be done in 4/5 runs. Really, I think it's balanced as it is. And remember it's just been one week, we should take some time to, well, play it, but that's just my opinion.

AaronSwitchblade · Sep 07, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

I agree that it isn't too much of a grind for the Norn armor. I played last night and manged to get 4000 Norn points in two runs of Drakkar Lake. It won't take me long to get up to the required 26.

Given, you might argue that it does take a lot of points, but I think the idea is that you just play, and accumulate the points gradually. If you don't want to grind, that's cool, but it'll take you a few weeks to get the points instead of a few days. That's reasonable to me considering the new armor is just art, and doesn't differ stat-wise from the usual endgame armor. If that ever ceases to be the case, I'll be the first to complain.

GloryFox · Sep 07, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

So its another episode of Whammo and the Vekk...

Whammo : So Vekk what do you want to do tonight?
Vekk : The same thing we do every night, try to GRIND some more and eventually we can play this stupid game.

lord dragon · Sep 07, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

So its another episode of Whammo and the Vekk...

Whammo : So Vekk what do you want to do tonight?
Vekk : The same thing we do every night, try to GRIND some more and eventually we can play this stupid game.

Would be very funny if it wasn't so very true. Still had me smile though. You know, hitting c, space bar, c, spacebar watching grass grow is so much more interesting now. LOL

lord dragon · Sep 07, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by shmek

You haven't "beaten" jack squat until you finish the grind you are talking about. You have merely completed a storyline... call that beating a game if it makes you feel like a conquerer or something you need.

Right, c, space bar, c, space bar, got it. That is the skill in it. Almost missed it.

Mineria · Sep 07, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

Yeah, win the game. What a concept. LOL

Sorry, but either your sarcastic or you don't get my point.
In every campaign you needed to do some kind of grind to get another piece of armor then what is regular.
I as instance, play 1-3 hours each day, sometimes just logged in to chat a bit, and playing a bit more in the weekends. I played GW for 2 years, where I was away for 1 year playing another mmo whit so much grind content that some would start to pull their hairs out.
But anyway, it still was enough to get Elite Kurzick, Elite Ice Forged and a Vabian set.
And when I look over the reputation system I can in no way see that it requires any more then what we had previous.
So saying that GW:EN armor requires a lot of grind is looking away from facts.
Wonder what people say in a few months when a lot of casual players run around in new armor sets.
It shouldn't be a big such a big surprise that you need to play the game just a little bit to gain something.
If you want everything in game without playing, why play in the first place?

lord dragon · Sep 07, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Mineria

Sorry, but either your sarcastic or you don't get my point.
In every campaign you needed to do some kind of grind to get another piece of armor then what is regular.
I as instance, play 1-3 hours each day, sometimes just logged in to chat a bit, and playing a bit more in the weekends. I played GW for 2 years, where I was away for 1 year playing another mmo whit so much grind content that some would start to pull their hairs out.
But anyway, it still was enough to get Elite Kurzick, Elite Ice Forged and a Vabian set.
And when I look over the reputation system I can in no way see that it requires any more then what we had previous.
So saying that GW:EN armor requires a lot of grind is looking away from facts.
Wonder what people say in a few months when a lot of casual players run around in new armor sets.
It shouldn't be a big such a big surprise that you need to play the game just a little bit to gain something.
If you want everything in game without playing, why play in the first place?

If I want Imperial armor, I win the game and buy it. If I want primeval armor, I win the game and buy it. If I want elite Luxon amror, I get 10k faction points in luxon (1 hour at most in pvp or maybe, at most 2 hours of missions) and buy it. It is not neccessary to farm for titles. No titles required to get it at all.

So, what made me laugh was not sarcasm, and if interpreted as such, I apologize. What made me laugh was the premise that you have to work to get other armors too.

If we are discussing the materials to make it, that comes as you go through the games, no farming required by me at least on 5 sets of elites. Maybe I got lucky over the last few years, but never had to farm for it.

The premise that it is OK to add grind to a game that previosly had very little of it is the real issue here.

As I have stated before, if you like grind I appreicate you enjoying that part of the game. If GWEN had more content that was fun, I probably would be playing right now instead of bringing up these points. I still enjoy the other areas of the game. I believe they were done well. This introduction of endless grind is what I have issure with when it unbalances the game with skills and ties armor to sensless C, Spacebar actions that take no skill to complete.

Star Gazer · Sep 07, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And an MMO without grind is an RPG which...is pretty much what Guild Wars WAS.

edited and quoted for truth. guild wars was much better when I could just go out and kill and not work for some crappy title (btw, 17 maxed here)

lord dragon · Sep 07, 2007, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

edited and quoted for truth. guild wars was much better when I could just go out and kill and not work for some crappy title (btw, 17 maxed here)

I don't know if I would call it work. C, spacebar, C, spacebar, watch the grass grow, C, spacebar. Nah, not work, boredom, but not work.

william1975 · Sep 07, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

I'm not finidng it that problamatic to gain reputation in any of the titles, I've simply been following the story and doign the quests and when comign into an area clearing it. in this way i have gained 40k of norn, 13k of agent and 15k of dwarf. as soon as i hit 25 kills when i come to a shrine i talk to the person next to it and get whatever bonus is there till i reach bonus hunt of 4.

Personally im finding lightbringer far more of a pain to level up being on 24k or so.

Vinraith · Sep 07, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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guild wars was much better when I could just go out and kill and not work for some crappy title (btw, 17 maxed here)

If it's no fun to get titles, why did you bother to max 17? Are you some kind of masochist? People on this board make such a howl and fury whenever Anet adds another "grind" but none of them ever seem to consider not doing it. I can only assume most of you are bitching for the sake of bitching. If the game's fun, play it, if it's not fun, don't. It's not that complicated.

There doesn't seem to be any shortage of folks maxing titles, if the favor system is anything to go by. I'm sure Anet has the sense to value what people do over what they say.

lord dragon · Sep 07, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

OK, maybe I am not being clear enough here. Let me explain the difference in philosophy between someone who doesn't care to grind and someone who does. I will use Prophecies as an example if you don't mind as this happened today.

A guilde created a monk. He needed a staff to get him going with. Kephets is a good one to get him running we both agreed to.

I go to the desert. Set my skill bar up. Exit the city. I carefully evade every mob that I can and avoid the traps set as I know where they are going to be. I carefully pull the queen, then proceed to kill her. Grab the weapon then go to guild hall and give it to him. This is a non grinders way to play.

This gave me a challenge and some fun.

Go to a grinders perspective. We will kill everything on the way. We will hit the traps as they come and have the monk heal us.

I know people like to play that way. That is cool with me.

When though, you tie skills that are not purchaseable or capturable to the people who just hit C, spacebar, you change the game.

The thing that WAS great before GWEN was everyone was on a leveling playing field. That has fundementally changed now in favor of a mass mob instead of a skilled player.

Leave the skills in GWEN stay in GWEN that are not purchasable or capturable. Works for me then as I don't have to play it as so many have stated. Will put it down to the cost of a couple of bad movies.

As for the ones stating that this should apply to the skills in Nightfall and Factions, I agree with you. I have no problem with exactly that. They were designed for that campain, leave them there.

Now, for the ones that are going to state that I am only complaining because it effects a solo farm. If you read above, I didn't sell and wouldn't sell to a guilde. Also, this was an example. If you need more, please let me know.

lord dragon · Sep 07, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by Vinraith

If it's no fun to get titles, why did you bother to max 17? Are you some kind of masochist? People on this board make such a howl and fury whenever Anet adds another "grind" but none of them ever seem to consider not doing it. I can only assume most of you are bitching for the sake of bitching. If the game's fun, play it, if it's not fun, don't. It's not that complicated.

There doesn't seem to be any shortage of folks maxing titles, if the favor system is anything to go by. I'm sure Anet has the sense to value what people do over what they say.

Actually, as long as it doesn't effect the other campains, I agree to just put it down to a couple of bad movies.

As for titles, the only ones I cared about, where skill based. Hence still obtaining elite skills for my ranger. He is over 200 now and counting.

Can I use this to my advantage in the future with him? Absolutely.
Does it take time to do? Absolutley.
Does it take some skill? Yup.
Do I have to kill endless mobs to get it? Nope.
Will it effect my pve play when I get done? Yup.
Did it reward me for getting the skills over and above just a title? nope.
Do I feel it should? Absolutely not!

Mineria · Sep 08, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

If you get to r4 by quests an dungeons only, and even still do the avoid mobs on your way to locations, where is the grind except the missing points to get from r4 to r5?
Sure it would be nice if there where quests enough to get to the 5th rank.
But with the buff system adding more rep pr. monster doesn't make it such a big deal.
I don't care if the armor I use on my characters is archived by beating the game, it has to be the set / combo that I find good looking on them. (max armor for the class ofc.)
Concerning the EN sets, I will go for one for my Mesmer, and will overcome the little r4 to r5 grind to get it.
This doesn't mean that I enjoy the grind.
You could even pin it down to saying vanquishing is to grind, but there you got a challenge at the same time, oh and you have beaten the game to do so as well.

lord dragon · Sep 08, 2007, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by Mineria

If you get to r4 by quests an dungeons only, and even still do the avoid mobs on your way to locations, where is the grind except the missing points to get from r4 to r5?
Sure it would be nice if there where quests enough to get to the 5th rank.
But with the buff system adding more rep pr. monster doesn't make it such a big deal.
I don't care if the armor I use on my characters is archived by beating the game, it has to be the set / combo that I find good looking on them. (max armor for the class ofc.)
Concerning the EN sets, I will go for one for my Mesmer, and will overcome the little r4 to r5 grind to get it.
This doesn't mean that I enjoy the grind.
You could even pin it down to saying vanquishing is to grind, but there you got a challenge at the same time, oh and you have beaten the game to do so as well.

Still missing the point. Take the title requirement out of skills.

Arcain · Sep 08, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57

I hold rank 5 in Vanguard and Dwarf, I haven't bothered with the other two because they have nothing interesting for me. The point of the post was that the grind should not exist at all, not that I could not do it.

lord dragon · Sep 08, 2007, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by Arcain

I hold rank 5 in Vanguard and Dwarf, I haven't bothered with the other two because they have nothing interesting for me. The point of the post was that the grind should not exist at all, not that I could not do it.

Agreed. It doesn't take any skill to get it at all, just C, spacebar.