Curse

Jongo River · Sep 03, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

The issue I have with titles for armour is the slight problem that I don't want the armour for the same character that I'm taking through the game.

I planned on bringing over my monk to cap a polar bear and pick up some Norn armour (I like the look of the female norn monk armour), unfortunately, I can't do that without playing her through a big chunk of the game, that I've just done on my Ranger. Very irritating.

Oh and can people stop exaggerating how quickly Norn points are achieved? I have cleared Norn areas, some more than once and I have a little under 11K (rank 3, so even my Ranger, who has just helped them fight Destroyers, can't ask them to craft armour). And yes, I do keep picking up the bonuses, which is another annoyance - they simplify the bounty system by having it apply to everything you kill, then force you to keep running back to the shrines. Grrr.

Besides, a prestige armour is already going to take a large chunk out of my savings - was I not earning it when I started saving my cash?

Redfeather1975 · Sep 03, 2007, 09:50 AM // 09:50

malko050987, I just meant the faction requirements for getting the armor and weapon skins. Unlike previous games, I haven't see any collectors in the wilderness offering any new weapon skins or any of the profession armor. It just seemed like content that's always been available through casual play in previous GW games is a lot more restricted in how it's accessed. There are collectors out there, but none that offer the regular armor. And the weapon collector NPCs I've only seen offer old skins.
I like some of the dungeons. They have puzzles and I'm sure there will be lots of secrets in there too. I like secrets.

My favourite dungeon so far was the lab. It had some fun puzzle elements to it.

freekedoutfish · Sep 03, 2007, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

The issue I have with titles for armour is the slight problem that I don't want the armour for the same character that I'm taking through the game.

I planned on bringing over my monk to cap a polar bear and pick up some Norn armour (I like the look of the female norn monk armour), unfortunately, I can't do that without playing her through a big chunk of the game, that I've just done on my Ranger. Very irritating.

Oh and can people stop exaggerating how quickly Norn points are achieved? I have cleared Norn areas, some more than once and I have a little under 11K (rank 3, so even my Ranger, who has just helped them fight Destroyers, can't ask them to craft armour). And yes, I do keep picking up the bonuses, which is another annoyance - they simplify the bounty system by having it apply to everything you kill, then force you to keep running back to the shrines. Grrr.

Besides, a prestige armour is already going to take a large chunk out of my savings - was I not earning it when I started saving my cash?

No ones exagerating how easy you can get Norn points. I got rank 7 in 2 days of the preivew and that was only from about 10 runs into Drakka Lake and clearing the ENTIRE area.

The bounties dont work to their best potential unless you clear an area and speak to every Norn at a re-shrine every 25-50 points you earn.

You need to kill around 100 creatures then speak to the next Norn to get to +3 then at about 125-150 kills speak to the next Norn and you +4. Then the Norns give you Norn points from that point on.

Eventually you dont need to fight them either to get the bounty. You have to work out how the bounties work and you need to clear entire areas for it to work 100% and to get the 3-4k points per run.

Its just not a case of getting the bounty, killing about 50 creatures and thinking you'l earn 500 points. You need to fight and fight and fight to increase the bounty.

I dunnno how Asura and Drawfs works, but i guess in the same fashion!

But the more kills you have when you speak to a Norn at a res-shrine, the more points he gives you. You have to think about it a bit. You can increase Norn points VERY fast, VERY easily.

Otherwise how did i each rank 7 in just 2 days? and i only started in the afternoon on the saturday.

Tyras · Sep 03, 2007, 10:14 AM // 10:14

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Are you talking about the vanguard reputation earning when you say you only get 1 point per kill?

Because when I was Norn farming, you get +2, +3 and +4 points and you also get bonuses too.

If the vanguard bounties dont have that, and you only get 1 point max then Anet needs to resolve that issue. Its not about removing the need for certain ranks to unlock armor and weapons, its about adding more ways to earn reputation points for all races.

If there are very few vanguard quests then Anet needs to add more, if you get only 1 point per kill in the bounty then they need to improve that.

But they dont need to remove the rank requirement.

You dont ask for something to be removed, because the way you earn it doesnt work. You ask them to improve how you earn it!

Its very hard to get the bonuses cause of the amount of enemies in em Dalada uplands has only 284 n Grothmar Wardowns has only 130!! you tell me if thats fair or not, also Vanguard only have 3 areas, the others have 4-6.

malko050987 · Sep 03, 2007, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

malko050987, I just meant the faction requirements for getting the armor and weapon skins. Unlike previous games, I haven't see any collectors in the wilderness offering any new weapon skins or any of the profession armor. It just seemed like content that's always been available through casual play in previous GW games is a lot more restricted in how it's accessed. There are collectors out there, but none that offer the regular armor. And the weapon collector NPCs I've only seen offer old skins.
I like some of the dungeons. They have puzzles and I'm sure there will be lots of secrets in there too. I like secrets.

My favourite dungeon so far was the lab. It had some fun puzzle elements to it.

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malko050987, I just meant the faction requirements for getting the armor and weapon skins. Unlike previous games, I haven't see any collectors in the wilderness offering any new weapon skins or any of the profession armor. It just seemed like content that's always been available through casual play in previous GW games is a lot more restricted in how it's accessed. There are collectors out there, but none that offer the regular armor. And the weapon collector NPCs I've only seen offer old skins.

Well, I disagree on that ^_^ As a casual gamer, why would you need prestige armor? You won't spend hours and hours talking/chatting or just sitting in an Outpost, displaying your stuff.

Max armor is available cheaply, and it will do what it needs to do.

And since Norn Armor IS prestige armor, you gotta work for it, just like you had to work for Marhan's Grotto armor. Sure, there was no faction requirement for those, but how far into the game are they? And how much work does getting them involve? Marhan's, by example, is about 5 missions before the last one, after you've explored two thirds of the continent. Ancient armor is the same, in NF. The amount of work that goes into getting to the armorer is less in EotN, compared to that.

Redfeather1975 · Sep 03, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

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Originally Posted by malko050987

Well, I disagree on that ^_^ As a casual gamer, why would you need prestige armor? You won't spend hours and hours talking/chatting or just sitting in an Outpost, displaying your stuff.

Max armor is available cheaply, and it will do what it needs to do.

And since Norn Armor IS prestige armor, you gotta work for it, just like you had to work for Marhan's Grotto armor. Sure, there was no faction requirement for those, but how far into the game are they? And how much work does getting them involve? Marhan's, by example, is about 5 missions before the last one, after you've explored two thirds of the continent. Ancient armor is the same, in NF. The amount of work that goes into getting to the armorer is less in EotN, compared to that.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

EotN only has Elite Armor.
I feel so stupid now.
I always assumed the 40 new sets were just like regular armor. That's why there are no collectors for the new armor.

I wish I could delete this whole discussion, but I guess a record of my ignorance will forever haunt guru.

Well that ain't so bad then. I never could afford 15k armor anyhoo and was fine with that.
I guess this clip is appropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxULYcZlEuM

Brockweaver · Sep 03, 2007, 10:30 AM // 10:30

Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember reading that when you finish the game you can select which reputation you would like to boost by 2,500 or 25,000 points. (sorry I can't remember which as I have yet to finish the game)

So, by doing the primary missions and every sidequest that has a reputation point bonus, add a few dungeons, rank 5 for armour really isn't that bad.

But, yes many players will want their armour prior to the end of the game, even though I've read of players finishing the primary game in the first day of release, so if this is the case, then yes.. it will take some point farming.

Honestly, I did all of the Norn and Asura quests before I decided I wanted Norn Ranger Armour. At this point with no farming I was already Rank 3 and a mere 3.5-4 hours of farming points later I had my armour.

Just put on a movie, plug in the IPod or start the laundry, it's not that bad. Heck, I let my 6 yo son run around with a "safety" party while I cleaned house. You just need to be resourceful and multitask.. :-)

Jongo River · Sep 03, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

No ones exagerating how easy you can get Norn points.

Oh, really?

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I got rank 7 in 2 days of the preivew and that was only from about 10 runs into Drakka Lake and clearing the ENTIRE area.

and from another thread:

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I reached rank 7 Norn in just the 2 days of the preview by farming Drakka Lake about 15-20 times.

Whichever is true, I'm pretty astonished you think repeatedly clearing the same area, that number of times, is a good or even fun use of your time.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

The bounties dont work to their best potential unless you clear an area and speak to every Norn at a re-shrine every 25-50 points you earn.

I've been doing that, but I can only suffer clearing an area once or twice. I guess I'm lazy.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

I dunnno how Asura and Drawfs works, but i guess in the same fashion!

Asura seem to be the same, but you don't have to kick their asses first (pity

). Dwarf points seem to be earned in dungeons (even the ones in Norn areas).

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Otherwise how did i each rank 7 in just 2 days? and i only started in the afternoon on the saturday.

Presumably, you like pursuing titles. I never have. I spent the preview following the primary quests and doing a few dungeons. That killed several hours a day and generally left me knackered by the time I logged off. I'm continuing the same way now, except I can't justify the same amount of time to a game, that I did that weekend. So I'll finish GW:EN and then that'll be it. If grind was supposed to keep me around until GW2, I'm afraid it's having exactly the opposite affect.

Oh and to the guy who just said prestige isn't for casual players - BAH! Ancient and Grotto are easy and less tedious than title grind. Even taking having to do those NF missions into account - I got those down to a fine art treasure hunting.

Hyper.nl · Sep 03, 2007, 10:51 AM // 10:51

I like the new titles. It's a nice extra that you build over time when playing the game. Or if you want it quick - grind for it.

I am not in any rush, but sooner or later I WILL get them maxed to make them count for KoaBD title track.

freekedoutfish · Sep 03, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

Presumably, you like pursuing titles. I never have. I spent the preview following the primary quests and doing a few dungeons. That killed several hours a day and generally left me knackered by the time I logged off. I'm continuing the same way now, except I can't justify the same amount of time to a game, that I did that weekend. So I'll finish GW:EN and then that'll be it. If grind was supposed to keep me around until GW2, I'm afraid it's having exactly the opposite affect.

Oh and to the guy who just said prestige isn't for casual players - BAH! Ancient and Grotto are easy and less tedious than title grind. Even taking having to do those NF missions into account - I got those down to a fine art treasure hunting.

Believe me I DID NOT enjoy getting to rank 7 to get armor, but I was willing to endure it because I think that mechanism is correct.

Its just a complete kick in the teath that the armor sucks!

Etta · Sep 03, 2007, 10:59 AM // 10:59

The armor should be available without having to grind, imo. Don't get me wrong I like the titles, the norm title give you extra life, the dwarf let you do extra dmg vs the destroyer, and so on. Not to mention the pve skills will get a lot stronger as well.

But yeah having to get to rank 5 just to buy armor set is just stupid, oh well at least it's not rank 7 anymore.

Pompeyfan · Sep 03, 2007, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Personally I don't give a monkey's about getting the armours/weapons, but the rep points are also needed to increase the benefit of the PvE skills, but getting the rep points is so bloody boring - the points should be able to be got by completing every quest and clearing each area once only - forcing things to be repeated makes them boring and is very poor and lazy game design plus you end up having to them solo and what is the poiint of playing an online game then going solo? might as well stick to a far better offline game as the appeal to online is to play and co-operate with other people.

The other argument I've seen mentioned is that Eye is only an expansion - well it wasen't priced as an expansion and with the amount of content an rrp of £9.99 would be more like it than £24.99 as it is now (in fact the 'expansion' was more expensive than the full games were - the first three chapters cost me £17.99 each, Eye was £21.50 so yes I expected a hell of a lot more than I got).

Arcain · Sep 04, 2007, 08:01 AM // 08:01

I ground out Rank 4 in Vanguard today, and got my Armor, and yes it was boring, mindless area clearing over and over. I still think i should not of had to do a pointless grind to get the armor, when I finished the game they should of been unlocked.

Terra Xin · Sep 04, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

EotN only has Elite Armor.
I feel so stupid now.
I always assumed the 40 new sets were just like regular armor. That's why there are no collectors for the new armor.

I wish I could delete this whole discussion, but I guess a record of my ignorance will forever haunt guru.

Well that ain't so bad then. I never could afford 15k armor anyhoo and was fine with that.
I guess this clip is appropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxULYcZlEuM

ohhh you're not 'that' bad...

The grind is far more optional than it is in Factions and Nightfall - both of which had a grind requirement in order to complete the game. Has anyone said anything about this? I didn't bother reading the whole thread before posting. lol. Sorry Redfeather that was mean.

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Now for the people saying that the grind is easy, well….. get a job, and get a life…. Just because you like mindlessly clearing an area many many many many times over does not mean we all do, or even have the time if we wanted too.

And... you completed the game in... how many days? I think your dead and ignorant insult needs a buff. Last I heard, grind doesn't ask you to play at hours at a time... but apparently mobbing through the game is a totally different story. Please don't post that offensively, or at the least, don't post at all - it's not nice.

I can afford to play for an hour or two, and even I know that you don't have to grind your heart out to get the things that you want. Just be thankful you're not one of the unfortunate people that are still waiting for EotN to be available for them to purchase. Take your time.

freekedoutfish · Sep 04, 2007, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by Tyras

Its very hard to get the bonuses cause of the amount of enemies in em Dalada uplands has only 284 n Grothmar Wardowns has only 130!! you tell me if thats fair or not, also Vanguard only have 3 areas, the others have 4-6.

I actually got my copy of GWEN yesterday and you know what..

...in just a day of doing quests, exploring and dungeons I am up to 11k points for vanguard. That is only 4k from rank 4 and then only about 14k frm rank 5.

I there for stand by what I say that it isnt hard to get these points. I havent done any real farming of vanguard points, other when while I explored the new areas and my rank went in really fast.

I accept there are less vanguard areas to farm, but there are certain vanguard areas that are very heavily populated by creatures and if you do it right and make sure you are 4+ when you get there, that will be quite a few points.

Diablo™ · Sep 04, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by Arcain

I ground out Rank 4 in Vanguard today, and got my Armor, and yes it was boring, mindless area clearing over and over. I still think i should not of had to do a pointless grind to get the armor, when I finished the game they should of been unlocked.

It's unfortunate that you have work and college coming up in just a few days, sorry it was a rush to beat the clock for you. I guess having the game released at the end of summer break wasn't a good idea. It inadvertently forced people with school schedules to make that last "inch" grind.

For the rest, they should just take their time and take it slow. No need to hurry.

JMUN23 · Sep 04, 2007, 09:37 AM // 09:37

I've already posted on this topic before but to restate it here, I'd prefer if they made a change to the system rather than eliminate it altogether. I wish they'd add new quests and just make them much more difficult (for all level 20 material it's quite easy) and make the enemies harder and the rewards better. I'd rather be tested on skill rather than patience.

For the people who are referring to the other games as to why we shouldn't have to grind now (my theory): Because A-Net probably found a shortcut. They needed to fill a two year gap-ish before GW2 hits the market and rather than add more content which would be more work, they just decided to cut it and make us grind. Why add 10 more hours of game play when you can add 100 hours of grinding?

As for the 100 number, I'm totally not willing to do that but I wish I could get my 15 characters some armor. Or at least 5 of them... Or 2. Hypothetically let's say I like Asuran armor for all my characters. That means I have to grind in the same place. Not even a scenery change. In reality I think I only like 2 or 3 of the armor sets. I just want my glasses. Grinding for hours just to get an expensive pair of glasses FTL!

lakatz · Sep 04, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

It's unfortunate that you have work and college coming up in just a few days, sorry it was a rush to beat the clock for you. I guess having the game released at the end of summer break wasn't a good idea. It inadvertently forced people with school schedules to make that last "inch" grind.

For the rest, they should just take their time and take it slow. No need to hurry.

You know... you keep saying that... and I have no doubt that's 'right'... for you... but if it's all the same to you, I prefer to decide myself what's right for me. And personally... I want my Norn armor... and I want it now...

I think the point you're missing here is that, whether intentionally or not, the rep system is indeed designed to favor grinding. Do the math... as your kill count and your hunt party rank increases, your rep points increase 'exponentially'.

CHunterX · Sep 04, 2007, 05:24 PM // 17:24

If they upped the point rewards for quests and Polymock re-fights, people would actually do them, possibly having fun doing them. The quests I've done lately are actually rather interesting, compared to the mindless babble the other campaigns have dished out, and Polymock is just plain awesome. People might not complain about having to zone into an area and kill all the mobs for a measly 5k points if the rewards for other things that ARE fun were actually worth the time.

Seriously, re-fighting Polymock Master nets 50 points. Thats it. Master Difficulty quests give 100 points. These aren't fair rewards, and encourage people to just skip over quests altogether and go grind mobs, because by the time you complete (and find) 50 quests for points (100 points x 50 quests = 5k, which is what the upper-average for clearing a zone is) you could have mindlessly C-Spaced 5+ zones.

Kinn · Sep 04, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

There is more to the game than playing dress-up with your little dolls. Enjoy the game, use 1k Droks, and be freeeeeeee!