Curse

Evilsod · Sep 17, 2007, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Erm... isn't the price of actually selling consumables to people less than the cost to craft them in the first place? Experience is completely irrelevant anyway.

lursey · Sep 18, 2007, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Erm... isn't the price of actually selling consumables to people less than the cost to craft them in the first place? Experience is completely irrelevant anyway.

there is not a common ruler to measure the value of an item for a person.

Evilsod · Sep 18, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

Actually, you're still sticking your foot in your mouth. As well as demonstrating your ignorance nicely. You are also supporting my own point at the same time. Good work.

Max items are only from pre-order bonus items that's true. However scrolls can get you LDoA in days. That circumvents a HUGE effort to get that title. Doesn't take more than a few brain cells active to draw a parallel to that and this Duncan run.

Saying one's ok, and one's not? Title of hypocrite is fairly leveled at you.

No, i'm saying i don't give a toss if they didn't do anything about it or not. Every single post-searing item should've been removed from Pre-searing, but the fact Anet are not going to no matter what happens pretty much makes any debate on the subject pointless. If Anet came out and said that this dungeon was meant to be skipped, or at least altered the quest/chest rewards to portray just how much of a reward you actually deserve then fine. Theres little i can do to make them change anything more.

A dungeon that takes 20-30 minutes to do start to finish with 2 people does not deserve 1 Armour, 1 Remnant and 1 random item as a reward. While doing it earlier my friend got an Amethyst Shield, r9 Tactics, the price he found was 100k +60e. He got that for a couple of hours work on top of 6 Onyx's and 5 Armours. People who are trying to defend this need to go to Sepulchre of Dragimmar again to see what a 20-30 minute dungeons reward should REALLY be like.

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there is not a common ruler to measure the value of an item for a person.

Not as such, but nobody is going to pay more than the materials cost from a materials trader.

Jessyi · Sep 18, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by lursey

to be more precise, this duncan incident also give you experience and 2.75k for the quest rewards,

the experience points can be transformed into consumable items, and people will then able to sell the experience points,

the chest items, the money and the experience point all have economical status, if this is really unintended and goes longer, it will still do harm to the community, of massive unintended gold and items being generated, when you try to think about how many people are doing this every 30 mins 24/7.

This of course also goes well if the quest is intended being that way, the massive gold and items being generated are intended as well, then there will be no problem at all.

Some exp and a few K? That's the problem? Who cares...hell, if you want to look at it that way - being able to sell experience, well shit, I'd be angrier about the introduction of consumables, period. It'll take me another 2 years to double the exp I've got on my monk right now. In the meantime, me and the thousands of others with millions of xp and hundreds of skill points will be rolling in dough. In the grand scheme of things, the exploit then is less profitable than legit consumable selling. lol

On the other hand, I haven't seen people selling consumables at all, really.

hmm

lursey · Sep 18, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by Jessyi

Some exp and a few K? That's the problem? Who cares...hell, if you want to look at it that way - being able to sell experience, well shit, I'd be angrier about the introduction of consumables, period. It'll take me another 2 years to double the exp I've got on my monk right now. In the meantime, me and the thousands of others with millions of xp and hundreds of skill points will be rolling in dough. In the grand scheme of things, the exploit then is less profitable than legit consumable selling. lol

On the other hand, I haven't seen people selling consumables at all, really.

hmm

firstly) not everyone can craft consumable

secondly) well, then if some experience and a few k and the items being generated in a faster than expected rate which have no one cares about, then why not just leave it that way.

Jessyi · Sep 18, 2007, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by lursey

why not just leave it that way.

I agree (12 chars)

kmburton · Sep 18, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Lets start with your whining then. Goodbye.

Oh yet another convincing arguement. Translation "Pretty please leave this open because i can't do the full dungeon". I care about the quest been done properly, all 4 bosses killed by the party before getting access to Duncan. The reward at Duncan is getting pathetic now, they increased it purely because the trip there was long, people are skipping it and are now demanding that there 30 minutes of effort are rewarded?

Please, if you want to see what reward a 30 minute dungeon gets you, go finish Sepulchre of Dragrimmar and compare it to Duncan taxi'ing. Either your precious elite dungeon skipping is stopped, or Anet nerf the chest to properly represent the length of time it took you to reach it. Your choice. I know i'd prefer a few hours with guildies doing the full run for some decent drops than 30 minutes to get a gold Blazing Wing Wand.

I don't need to be translated to put it in YOUR words. It isn't an elite dungeon, I have already done the whole thing once witrh Heroes/hench and it isn't worth doing over and over just to get a destroyer weapon for MY HoM. Which I have already done, now, so I could care less what they do with it. I won't be back. This has no effect on anyone else in the game. So who died and put you in charge of ANET that now you think you can't dictate choices for the rest of us?

lursey · Sep 18, 2007, 12:24 AM // 00:24

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

No, i'm saying i don't give a toss if they didn't do anything about it or not. Every single post-searing item should've been removed from Pre-searing, but the fact Anet are not going to no matter what happens pretty much makes any debate on the subject pointless. If Anet came out and said that this dungeon was meant to be skipped, or at least altered the quest/chest rewards to portray just how much of a reward you actually deserve then fine. Theres little i can do to make them change anything more.

A dungeon that takes 20-30 minutes to do start to finish with 2 people does not deserve 1 Armour, 1 Remnant and 1 random item as a reward. While doing it earlier my friend got an Amethyst Shield, r9 Tactics, the price he found was 100k +60e. He got that for a couple of hours work on top of 6 Onyx's and 5 Armours. People who are trying to defend this need to go to Sepulchre of Dragimmar again to see what a 20-30 minute dungeons reward should REALLY be like.

I guess the logical answer is that, he is very lucky.

Chthon · Sep 18, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

Something to point out:

Remember when the HoD sword was eliminated? While perhaps it closed some small gear inequity in PvP, it created a far bigger inequity between those who had one and those who could never get one. Ultimately the price rose insanely and a-net ended up reintroducing +5e single-handed weapons.

We're staring down that same path right now. Some people have stashed away hundreds of onyx during the past few days. Not to mention more than a few greens and golds. If the tap gets turned off now, we're going to end up with a huge inequity between the people who got in and farmed early when it was easy, and everyone else.
While I hold very little sympathy for those who spent 10k per onyx before this farm was discovered, I do hold a little. But I want to ask you, which is worse: You spending 100k for what is now 30k worth of onyx, or turning an early farmers' 600k worth of onyx into 2000k? If you think all the farmed onyx is ill-gotten gains, why are you so eager to drive its price up?

I don't think nerfing this was ever a good idea. But it is certainly a bad idea by now. It's too late.

unienaule · Sep 18, 2007, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Game Updates

In the Slavers' Exile dungeon, the entrance leading to the final boss, Duncan the Black, will now be closed unless all party members have completed the appropriate steps in the quest "The Last Hierophant."

Well, that's the end of that.

Xanthier · Sep 18, 2007, 01:19 AM // 01:19

Indeed, now I'm interested to see the effect on the price of Onyx, as it was falling pretty fast. The Heirophant weapons will probably jump up in price too.

Gli · Sep 18, 2007, 01:23 AM // 01:23

Fixed? Was there ever any doubt?

I'm actually someone who enjoys saying "I told you so." I don't hate it one bit. Sue me.

natuxatu · Sep 18, 2007, 01:38 AM // 01:38

I don't like it. It should be fixed. Because I know and everyone else knows that this was not intended to be this way. I understand what the OP is saying which is it ruins the fact that you have to do the hard work to get to him in the first place. "So what?" So the dungeon is ruined and they may as well take out all the other parts of that quest if people are just going to ferry to the last part. That's work down the drain on A.Nets part... and again it's not how it's suppose to be.

I'm sure they will fix it though however it might be a litle bit.

Edit: Just saw it was fixed. Good job A.Net, I'm glad it was.

plasmasword · Sep 18, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

So how many runs did you guys get in before it was fixed?

Evilsod · Sep 18, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by lursey

firstly) not everyone can craft consumable

Yes they can... If you can't craft consumables, which require rank3 in a title track then you've obviously not reached a point in the game that would actually be worth taking them along with... If i recall you can get 8k in most allegiences purely by doing the primaries.

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I guess the logical answer is that, he is very lucky.

He was yes. But its the same as the Zodiac farming. You shouldn't have that much chance to get 1 so easily or its not a rare skin anymore.

Evilsod · Sep 18, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Well they fixed it. And its listed as:

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Bug Fixes
In the Slavers' Exile dungeon, the entrance leading to the final boss, Duncan the Black, will now be closed unless all party members have completed the appropriate steps in the quest "The Last Hierophant."

It was a bug. No need for this thread anymore so can a mod close it please?

Whirlwind · Sep 18, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Yeah so how are you going to ban several thousand people who were doing it in all districts of all 3 areas over a very long period of time... unrealistic.

And for the record it wasn't a bug imo, it was something they didn't plan for and therefore never checked. If they had it wouldn't of worked like that in the first place.

wolfwing · Sep 18, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Well they could possibly ban people, remember they have stated it repeatedly that using a bannable exploit for what ever reason is still bannable. Just because it's common doesn't mean it's right.

Evilsod · Sep 18, 2007, 02:31 AM // 02:31

I really can't see them banning people for this. Its just not worth the effort tracking people down. The people who made the most money from this are most likely the ones doing the taxi'ing. You could maybe say the ones who farmed tons of money from it deserve it... but i'd rather they sort out bugs and get on with HM.

wolfwing · Sep 18, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

Maybe a partial solution is delete all Onyx gems in the sellers, though that might benefit some...but it at least kill the overflow of them, I would say delete all gems period, but I have 3 and they are all legit *2 from non duncan chests and 1 from quest*, plus many people probably have a few legitly.