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LONGA · Sep 20, 2007, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Thats why I always bring paragon in party.Work almost like a warrior.

My Sweet Revenga · Sep 20, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Keeping a spare vamp weapon or a +energy item could be handy for this. Never tried it while I was dead and my hero was alive though but I don't see any reason why you can't swap out your hero's weapon while dead. Vamp can kill them and everybody should spawn at the nearest point, or a +energy weapon/focus to get her over the 10 she needs to use rebirth. Be nice if ANET added a new command that FORCES respawn at the nearest rez point.

Count Feanor · Sep 20, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by My Sweet Revenga

Keeping a spare vamp weapon or a +energy item could be handy for this. Never tried it while I was dead and my hero was alive though but I don't see any reason why you can't swap out your hero's weapon while dead. Vamp can kill them and everybody should spawn at the nearest point, or a +energy weapon/focus to get her over the 10 she needs to use rebirth. Be nice if ANET added a new command that FORCES respawn at the nearest rez point.

That's actually a good idea. I do have vamp weapons but not on my Dervish, who I was playing with. Also, I didn't make Jora a warrior/monk to use monk skills. She has all warrior skills with just the rebirth. I just wanted a rez that she could use more than once without a moral boost. Some of those other options for rez look like they may be better options.

korcan · Sep 20, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

something similar happened to me in a dungeon. i forget which dungeon it was but the end boss was a necro with these really annoying minions.

i was with a guildie but my guildie ended up dying as we killed the boss. i had used up my res sig so there was no way i could res. not long after we killed the boss, the end chest spawned along with the 3 minute count down timer. i felt terribly bad for my guildie as i could do absolutely nothing.

it seems stupid that you dont get automatically res-ed after beating a dungeon if you havent claimed the rewards.

Count Feanor · Sep 20, 2007, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by korcan

something similar happened to me in a dungeon. i forget which dungeon it was but the end boss was a necro with these really annoying minions.

i was with a guildie but my guildie ended up dying as we killed the boss. i had used up my res sig so there was no way i could res. not long after we killed the boss, the end chest spawned along with the 3 minute count down timer. i felt terribly bad for my guildie as i could do absolutely nothing.

it seems stupid that you dont get automatically res-ed after beating a dungeon if you havent claimed the rewards.

Yup, that's the exact one I was in. I really do think it's a reasonable request since it was (or hopefully was) everyone on the team that contributed to the completion of the dungeon. It's only fair that everyone get to share in the rewards.

Darkobra · Sep 20, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by Count Feanor

That's actually a good idea. I do have vamp weapons but not on my Dervish, who I was playing with. Also, I didn't make Jora a warrior/monk to use monk skills. She has all warrior skills with just the rebirth. I just wanted a rez that she could use more than once without a moral boost. Some of those other options for rez look like they may be better options.

That's exactly what I do. I might see how Signet of Return would work though.

Darkobra · Sep 20, 2007, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Actually, something just occured to me. Why doesn't the res sig recharge after you kill the boss to get the chest?

Count Feanor · Sep 20, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Actually, something just occured to me. Why doesn't the res sig recharge after you kill the boss to get the chest?

That's a good question. Why wasn't Vekk's res sig renewed when the boss died? I really don't know.

Lluvia · Sep 20, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

This definately needs to be done!
But the solution to all possible situations is rez the entire party AND kill all remaining enemies. Because in many dungeons there are still enemies near the chest, after you killed the final boss.
Additional foci or vampiric weapons help in some situations, but not in all. It is still possible that you and your heroes die and only hench without useable rez signet remain (because you don't seem to get a morale boost after completion).

Crom The Pale · Sep 20, 2007, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Gotta love Slavers Exile. Kill the boss in the Justicar Thomas dungeon and it spawns a chest..and more badguys right ontop of you!!!

Heven help you if your party is near death when the boss goes down.

I actually grabbed the chest and reward just before a total party wipe, Hench/Heros.

Since I had the reward I mapped out, never woundered if I would have resed at that point had I stayed, till I read this thread that is.

Corwin_Andros · Sep 21, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

I had the same thing happen with Dunkoro refusing to rez me once. Absolutely would not no matter what I did. Had to get him to rez Lina first and then she rezzed me. Needless to say, he's been on an unpaid leave of absence, with a malpractice suit pending

On a side note... I don;t know if this will work if you are dead yourself and your last hero with a rez skill..ala the OPs situation, is a wammo with too little energy... Try swapping out their weapon or shield with a staff or offhand from one of your other heroes or something else you might have in inventory. Even if they don't get the full energy boost, they aren't likely to get less than 3 pts, which should be enough for them to activate the skill.

cliffchai76 · Sep 21, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Feanor,

I experienced a problem similar to yours during preview. I was into sepulchre for the first time ill equipped against the ele boss. When I finally managed to kill it with 60%dp, I too died together. But the problem is the ele boss died a nano sec before I did and all the H/H with rezs were also dead. Only 3 or 4 of the non-monk chars were alive. I thought a rez countdown would then kick in so I waited. 5 sec...nothing...10 sec nothing.....1 min nothing.........10 mins nothing. It was then I realised I was screwed. All that effort to kill the damn ele boss for the first time went down the drain!! The dungeon chest was right in front of me and I could open it. How frustrating!!! So yeah, i understand how you feel.

Just to side track a little, on the second time I did it, I breezed through the dungeon and the ele boss. And from the dungeon chest (the first one I opened in EN), I got a gold gaki polymock.

So that kind of compensated for the frustration I received from the first time round.

cliffchai76 · Sep 21, 2007, 03:27 AM // 03:27

To add a further note, I also noticed that in a situation where you have say 2 out of 3 of your monk heroes plus you dead and the only one remaining monk is say a prot hench. The prot hench will somehow refuse to rez you even if you flag her on top of your corpse. However, if you flag her on top of the other monks' corpse, she will rez them immediately! How silly is that? Why must she only rez her fellow monks? By the way, this happened to me more than once, so I'm pretty sure it's got something to do with the hench's AI.

Curse You · Sep 21, 2007, 05:41 AM // 05:41

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Originally Posted by Masseur

DP decreases by exp or holiday items that remove it in full or partially or morale boosts

You can't use items while dead.

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Originally Posted by KelemvorOAK

Just toss a staff onto the whammo (surely a non-max white raven staff dropped *somewhere* in that dungeon) and they'll turn into a rebirthing machine.

You can't change weapons when dead either.

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Originally Posted by Count Feanor

That's a good question. Why wasn't Vekk's res sig renewed when the boss died? I really don't know.

Almost all dungeon bosses aren't actually bosses. They have no aura and don't give a moral boost.

Count Feanor · Sep 21, 2007, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by cliffchai76

Feanor,

I experienced a problem similar to yours during preview. I was into sepulchre for the first time ill equipped against the ele boss. When I finally managed to kill it with 60%dp, I too died together. But the problem is the ele boss died a nano sec before I did and all the H/H with rezs were also dead. Only 3 or 4 of the non-monk chars were alive. I thought a rez countdown would then kick in so I waited. 5 sec...nothing...10 sec nothing.....1 min nothing.........10 mins nothing. It was then I realised I was screwed. All that effort to kill the damn ele boss for the first time went down the drain!! The dungeon chest was right in front of me and I could open it. How frustrating!!! So yeah, i understand how you feel.

Just to side track a little, on the second time I did it, I breezed through the dungeon and the ele boss. And from the dungeon chest (the first one I opened in EN), I got a gold gaki polymock.

So that kind of compensated for the frustration I received from the first time round.

Well, it is a little comforting that I'm not the only one that this has happened to (though it is very unfortunate that it has happened to others).

I did the dungeon again last night with a guildie and we killed that necro boss at 60%DP (only I didn't die this time). I got a gold polymock from the chest as well, which makes the second time around worth it. From the responses I see so far, this seems like a desired change that I hope the devs will consider soon.

Count Feanor · Sep 21, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

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Originally Posted by Curse You

You can't use items while dead.

You can't change weapons when dead either.

Almost all dungeon bosses aren't actually bosses. They have no aura and don't give a moral boost.

Well, that's good to know that you can't change weapons while dead. I knew I couldn't change it on myself, but was unsure about my heros. I also didn't know that about the dungeon bosses. At the very least, we should get a moral boost for killing the final boss to recharge res signets. But it seems like rezzing the entire party after completing a dungeon would solve all those issues.