Curse

I_Eat_Haoles · Sep 20, 2007, 03:13 AM // 03:13

I only own two campaigns, Factions and GWEN

I noticed the bosses in GWEN use elite skills from all the campaigns... Can i cap and use those skills? Or will they be locked?

Someone save me the 1k it would cost to buy a cap sig and figure it out the hard way...

Omniclasm · Sep 20, 2007, 03:58 AM // 03:58

You can't use it unless you own the campaign.

A11Eur0 · Sep 20, 2007, 04:24 AM // 04:24

You can't cap a skill in EOTN that belongs to a campaign you don't have access to, much less use it. I tried to day in Rragar's Menagerie to get Burning Arrow...no such luck. It let me use signet, but the accept button was grayed out when I clicked on the elite, which itself was grayed out with the Lock symbol.

Nemo the Capitalist · Sep 20, 2007, 06:38 AM // 06:38

wow that sucks i feel bad for u

Sleeper Service · Sep 20, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48

huh, i would have thought otherwise....Anet should consider changing this imo.
After all even though its an expansion you did PAY for the content in it (all of it)

edit: actually im really shocked at this, someone should start a poll and get the pressure on. Its bloody outrageous.

Melkorium · Sep 20, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

It's not really outrageous, GW:EN came with it's 150 skills. You paid for that.

Equally, NF came with all it's skills including these elites. Those skills belong to NF and if you didn't buy that then you have purchased the right to sue that skill.

By combining all the skills from the 3 campaigns plus expansion they've created some great AI skillbars so I'm happy with the way it is.

Sleeper Service · Sep 20, 2007, 07:07 AM // 07:07

You can cap Chapter one and two elite skills in NF, they named them "core" skills.

Chapter spanning skills skills should ALL be moved into the "core" skillset.

say you buy a packet of M&Ms and then some dude who works for the M&M marketing department comes up and takes away all the red ones from you. you PAID for it if they didn't want you to eat the red ones why did they put them in there in the first place.

A11Eur0 · Sep 20, 2007, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Sleeper, this is where I stand. Why put NF elites into a game and not allow us to cap them?

Why: because it would have taken more effort for them to come up with new elites for GW:EN, that's why. And to give those people without nightfall another stab in the side for not buying all three campaigns.

Bankai · Sep 20, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

You can cap Chapter one and two elite skills in NF, they named them "core" skills.

Chapter spanning skills skills should ALL be moved into the "core" skillset.

say you buy a packet of M&Ms and then some dude who works for the M&M marketing department comes up and takes away all the red ones from you. you PAID for it if they didn't want you to eat the red ones why did they put them in there in the first place.

Sorry to say, but that's RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bullshit. With Prophecies and Factions, you've got the right to Core skills, Prophecies skills and Factions skills. It doesn't matter whether enemies or bosses use other skills, you didn't pay for them, so you shouldn't get them.

A11Eur0 · Sep 20, 2007, 07:33 AM // 07:33

Then don't put them into the game. Don't make us go up against a boss with that elite that we want but can't have.

Why couldn't they have removed some of those useless nonelite 150 skills and replaced them with new elites? That would make more sense in a gameplay pov, but I guess not in a business sense. My statement stands: they want us to go pay them another $50 just for these new skills, even if we don't really feel the need to play that campaign.

Riot Narita · Sep 20, 2007, 08:12 AM // 08:12

Yeah! And let us cap their monster-only skills too! I want Shiro's stances, but I can't have them! Don't make me go up against Shiro when he has skills that I can't have! They're in the game so why can't I have them?!

-_-

Sleeper Service · Sep 20, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by Bankai

Sorry to say, but that's RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bullshit. With Prophecies and Factions, you've got the right to Core skills, Prophecies skills and Factions skills. It doesn't matter whether enemies or bosses use other skills, you didn't pay for them, so you shouldn't get them.

1. are you so unable to express yourself without being offensive.
2. i already own all 3 chapters (LSH so uh..its not about me k?)
3. you go buy a burger from some fast food chain, and when they give it to you they refuse to give you a bun because its only the second time you go there, yet you still pay the same price as the person standing beside you even though they get the full burger.

Sleeper Service · Sep 20, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by Hissy

Yeah! And let us cap their monster-only skills too! I want Shiro's stances, but I can't have them! Don't make me go up against Shiro when he has skills that I can't have! They're in the game so why can't I have them?!

-_-

trying to be clever? funny? Either you are trolling or you need to think a little before you type and spout inane idiocy like that.

either way...minus underscore minus straight back at you.

Riot Narita · Sep 20, 2007, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

3. you go buy a burger from some fast food chain, and when they give it to you they refuse to give you a bun because its only the second time you go there, yet you still pay the same price as the person standing beside you even though they get the full burger.

No... you bought a cheeseburger, then you saw people eating big macs. Now you want a big mac for the same price as your cheesburger - just because they're made in the same fast food chain. Or at least, that's what A11Eur0 wants.

Sleeper Service · Sep 20, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by Hissy

No... you bought a cheeseburger, then you saw people eating big macs. Now you want a big mac for the same price as your cheesburger - just because they're made in the same fast food chain. Or at least, that's what A11Eur0 wants.

you go into the restaurant, you order burger X that costs 2£ and get no bun.
some other dude goes and orders that very same burger X that costs 2£ and gets a bun.

can you not see that is just wrong ?

For as much as me and A11Eur0 have our disagreements what you are trying to make him say there is simply not correct.

Argon Draeth · Sep 20, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

You can cap Chapter one and two elite skills in NF, they named them "core" skills.

very true. BUT...Not all the skills from prophecies/factions were made core skills with the release of nightfall. You wont find many 55hp monks that dont own Prophecies. Prophecies only elite Shield of Judgement for example? If you want that elite skill, you have to buy prophecies. Each campaign has its campaign specific skills.

Buying Gwen entitles you to all the NEW content. There are already loopholes (however limited) in the system with heroes (imagine you own prophecies and GWEN, and are walking round with xandra, hayda and anton in your party?)

Just because you've bought an expansion which spans all 3 campaigns shouldnt entitle you to everything available to those campaigns. What next? there are dervish mobs in EOTN, so you should be able to change your secondary prof to dervish without owning NF? and then of course you'll want access to derish skills without owning NF...and what was the point in me buying NF again?

see my point?

Riot Narita · Sep 20, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

you go into the restaurant, you order burger X that costs 2£ and get no bun.
some other dude goes and orders that very same burger X that costs 2£ and gets a bun.

can you not see that thats just wrong ?

If your analogy refelected what was happening in GW, you'd have a point. But it doesn't, and you don't.

Argon Draeth · Sep 20, 2007, 08:53 AM // 08:53

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Originally Posted by Sleeper Service

you go into the restaurant, you order burger X that costs 2£ and get no bun.
some other dude goes and orders that very same burger X that costs 2£ and gets a bun.

can you not see that is just wrong ?

lets apply this to GW. i have all 3 campaigns and gwen...i get my burger with a bun (or in actual terms, access to all skills from all campaigns, campaign specific proffesions etc...basically i get everything i paid for)...wahey!

original poster has factions and gwen...he gets the burger no bun. (access to the content hes paid for...)

how is that wrong?

Sleeper Service · Sep 20, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by Argon Draeth

very true. BUT...Not all the skills from prophecies/factions were made core skills with the release of nightfall. You wont find many 55hp monks that dont own Prophecies. Prophecies only elite Shield of Judgement for example? If you want that elite skill, you have to buy prophecies. Each campaign has its campaign specific skills.

Buying Gwen entitles you to all the NEW content. There are already loopholes (however limited) in the system with heroes (imagine you own prophecies and GWEN, and are walking round with xandra, hayda and anton in your party?)

Just because you've bought an expansion which spans all 3 campaigns shouldnt entitle you to everything available to those campaigns. What next? there are dervish mobs in EOTN, so you should be able to change your secondary prof to dervish without owning NF? and then of course you'll want access to derish skills without owning NF...and what was the point in me buying NF again?

see my point?

Im finding it hard to see just WHY people are not getting this.

Of course im NOT saying "access to all chapter skills" that would be just stupid just the skills that come with the game that these people BOUGHT.

Following your logic a person who only owns Chapter One (no Rt) and who buys GWEN should result in one of these two things:

1. Has no access to Xandra (no quest triggered, cant get the hero at all)

or

2. Has Access to Xandra but she has a EMPTY skillbar.

As it stands people can use the heroes even if they dont exist in whatever chapter they own, they can use the skills that these heroes have on their other heroes and finally i think but im not sure that they can use these few skills in a secondary profession in PVP. (if someone can check that it would be cool)

They cannot however use these same skills on their character. I can accept that since they cannot change their secondary profession to whatever is required AND they cannot create a primary for the same reason.

no problem there.

the issue is when an El comes up against a El Boss in GWEN who uses SF for example and the player cannot cap (or can cap but cant use) that elite because they dont own the corresponding chapter....but that player PAID for GWEN! (and EVERYTHING that comes in it)

It makes no sense lore wise,it makes NO sense economically wise although it may give the impression of being good marketing it is just WRONG.

Hissy go troll somewhere else, your input is irrelevant.

Dingo Dave · Sep 20, 2007, 09:12 AM // 09:12

I think some may have misunderstood the burger/bun explanation.

2 years ago I bought a burger and it was whole, I then bought another, another and finally one extra special new burger, (for a total of 4 burgers)

Someone else has just found that they like burgers as well, so they buy 1 intial burger and then pay for the extra special new burger.

Everything seems equal to start with, but eventually - the other person finds that they are not allowed to eat all of there extra special burger - the staff come and clear it away before they have had a chance to eat it all. There reason, they have not bought the other 2 burgers, and so are not allowed to eat there gherkins!!!