Curse

pakhavit · Sep 19, 2007, 10:13 PM // 22:13

"The thing is, why not share you build since you decided to post on this board a SS of you 19 min Duncan run. And that's not the only post of its kind. These sad attempts to capitalize on the immaterial notion that "i'm not going to share my build with others, because i'll make more money if i'm the only doing 5 runs back to back in the time the others do 1" seems really pathetic."

There's NO an uber-secret hush-hush mega-build
There's NO Specific build

we don't have a specific build we did with 3 warrior in party
3 ranger in party or w/e if anyone in ally wanna play
as long as we have 2 monk prot heal and may be some fire ele

Everyone here know you need Frozen soil, fire ele ,2 monk blah blah blah
Any class work here fine you can use mesmer,paragon,sin,ritualist.
Any class can tank just prot spirit soa keep him alive.

Nobody did duncan in 1 try and get under 20min.
that's our 40th+ run that we got first time 19min. and lower

Our first run was like 1 hour+ then it's keep faster and faster

We did fast because we know from exp. Where to tank, what group need to be pull first, Where's a safe place to put frozen soil down.what group we don't need to fight.

This is like urgoz or deep, everyone use mostly same build
the different is just who know better and who play better

ps: may be there's urber build, ng nato did in 13min. our fastest was 17min.

Yichi · Sep 19, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Yes... it will be called Hard Mode.

And the mobs are by no means easy. The fact they almost demand specific counters such as Ward against Harm and Frozen Soil pretty much says they're not all that easy. They can still kill.

These are not required and the dungeon can easily be done without these.

stueyman2099 · Sep 19, 2007, 10:38 PM // 22:38

[card]distracting shot[/card]

Aryn Rand · Sep 19, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

Iv Done duncan in 12 minutes. You dont need wards at all, can be done in 15 mins without frozen(probaly faster)You dont even need a prot monk. You can do it without nukers at all.

And you need atleast 2 rangers to catch all res/hard ress when it happends. Wich will really slow down your run.

The only thing thats annoying with the mission is Duncan wich need like a specific skillset to take down fast(Pain inverter, a soul reaping signet that recharges instantly if there is a corpse next to him, Spitefull spirit and backfire. )

cebalrai · Sep 20, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Hard mode wont be the solution unless they change hard mode to make it worth it. Right now, HM drops are barely better than normal mode. It's a lot of extra hassle for a poor reward.

So I wouldn't count on HM being any sort of fix.

GWEN, as a whole, is easy compared to the other campaigns, so it makes sense that its elite zone is cake too.

pakhavit · Sep 20, 2007, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by Aryn Rand

Iv Done duncan in 12 minutes. You dont need wards at all, can be done in 15 mins without frozen(probaly faster)You dont even need a prot monk. You can do it without nukers at all.

And you need atleast 2 rangers to catch all res/hard ress when it happends. Wich will really slow down your run.

The only thing thats annoying with the mission is Duncan wich need like a specific skillset to take down fast(Pain inverter, a soul reaping signet that recharges instantly if there is a corpse next to him, Spitefull spirit and backfire. )

So you saying you don't have nuker you don't have prot monk
you can get to duncan in less than 8min.(assuming 4min. kill boss)
and Use Pain inverter,Sig sorrow,SS and Backfire to kill duncan

Just wow...12min. with soil 15min. or less without soil, you got a godly ranger who can interupt all rez sig hard rez and you kill them all without nuker

and skill you use to kill duncan is just a lot slower than what it should be.

that just like amazing if you rlly did that

Aryn Rand · Sep 20, 2007, 11:24 AM // 11:24

6 mins to boss room. No ranger with interupt. We used a fastcast nuker sometimes but mostly we ran with all melee and a necro. I guess I forgot to mention SV.

darktyco · Sep 20, 2007, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by Darkmack

Btw a working party makeup for Forgewight would be greatly appreciated :P

Here is what I did, although I am not a builds guru so there are surely better Hero builds for Forgewight:

1 Ranger - Greater Conflaguration, Frozen Soil, and many interrupts.
1 Monk - Extinguish, LoD, extra condition removal
1 Ele - Ward Against Harm, Maelstrom, other Water skills
You - Pain Inverter, Arcane Echo, and Breath of the Great Dwarf if you have room for it

Everyone should be a mesmer secondary with Mantra of Flame. Put Pain Inverter on anything that AoEs, and stand in the AoE just long enough for it to die a quick and painful death. When you are up against a pack of Roaring Ether's, pull back as far as you can and try to deal with them separately from the other monsters. The first group is pretty tough since you don't have any pulling room, so you might have a wipe right off the bat, but don't sweat it.

Crom The Pale · Sep 20, 2007, 12:57 PM // 12:57

I'm on Forgewight right now(hero/henchin), and it never even occured to me to bring Frozen Soil.

I've just been killing, wipeing, ressing and killing my way to the bosses, who go down in a reasonable amount of effort.

Though I play on a fairly regular basis I concider myself a casual player in that I do not farm, I pug only when I feel like having an easier time with a quest/mission. It took me a full year to earn enough money for my wars FoW armor and ive just basic max armor on my other 8 chars.

For those that are farming Slavers, good for you hope you get all you want out of the game.
For those that wish they could farm Slavers, read up on builds/skills/plans.

As it stands I find Slavers fun the way it is, might like Hard Mode if the drops are better.(R12 blood wand with salvage inscription not my idea of an end dungeon reward = to the effort here, but oh well.)

trobinson97 · Sep 20, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Though I play on a fairly regular basis I concider myself a casual player in that I do not farm, I pug only when I feel like having an easier time with a quest/mission. It took me a full year to earn enough money for my wars FoW armor and ive just basic max armor on my other 8 chars.

Wait, wait, sorry to temp derail a topic, but, it took you a year for FoW but only a couple of weeks for Chaos gauntlets? 9 characters all maxed armor? You pretty much have to farm for ectos and shards (for your FoW and Chaos Gauntlets there) as they only drop ina couple of places in the entire game. Ah nevermind, lucky drops eh? Lol,I know caual players. I've played with casual players. You sir, are no casual player.

Sorry, continue with the topic.

Jaceb · Sep 20, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Yeah, i beat duncan with H/H though it did take a little extra work. Swap & intense flagging as the AI is.. having a fixation over spirits and to avoid Spirit Rift too. No i didnt come here to boast, just that it too is possible. Though, i rather go to Shards of Orr instead in the future. It was a borefest.. i'm glad it's done.

Forgewight's part is the "hardest" while duncans is the easiest apart from the two entry fights but once you kill them you're good to go and cant really fail. The last ones are pretty similar, as in.. like in nightfall HM areas can be.

pakhavit · Sep 20, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Aryn Rand

6 mins to boss room. No ranger with interupt. We used a fastcast nuker sometimes but mostly we ran with all melee and a necro. I guess I forgot to mention SV.

Gotta try all melee, take us around 12min. to boss room with 1-3ele
We mostly just sv and sig sorrow and couple hex to kill him too.

but I don't think all melee would work on hero, right? O_o

Painbringer · Sep 20, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

I guess since I have been enjoying the game so far, and taking my time doing it. I have not even tried slavers yet. So I ask for no buff at least till I at least try it out once. (I ran through Factions and Nightfall, so I promised myself I would stop and smell the roses on this one)

Crom The Pale · Sep 20, 2007, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

Wait, wait, sorry to temp derail a topic, but, it took you a year for FoW but only a couple of weeks for Chaos gauntlets? 9 characters all maxed armor? You pretty much have to farm for ectos and shards (for your FoW and Chaos Gauntlets there) as they only drop ina couple of places in the entire game. Ah nevermind, lucky drops eh? Lol,I know caual players. I've played with casual players. You sir, are no casual player.

Sorry, continue with the topic.

I started playing GW during the presale event of Prophicies.

1 year to aquire enough funds and drops for FoW armor, max armor on my other chars cost me 1.5K each peice and my Chaos guantles ate up my entire savings since faction came out.

Anything else you want to know about my income?

jimmyboveto · Sep 22, 2007, 04:57 AM // 04:57

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Yes... it will be called Hard Mode.

And the mobs are by no means easy. The fact they almost demand specific counters such as Ward against Harm and Frozen Soil pretty much says they're not all that easy. They can still kill.

Yes, they can sure kill

*remembers going into forgeweight's dungeon for the first time

AuraofMana · Sep 22, 2007, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Yes, because like all the Elite Dungeons, it has been nerfed to be almost worthless now and once again people, a good elite area is screwed up.
So now we have to spend an extra 3 - 4 hrs to get to Duncan. It is always amazing how Anet keeps thinking by making us spend more time, we enjoy the game more.

Jaceb · Sep 22, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

Eh, here's a thought that i was thinking.. but it's far too late for the change however if a buff would mean a total rework of this dungeon i'd go with

Why are stonesummit there doing their evil ways?. If these dungeons were about Destroyers (give them healers), sort of like in Glint's Challenge but way more of them in groups, diversity. I'd even leave the normal mobs as 28 with HM like bonuses, bosses 32 okay maybe that was a little too much but in my opinion destroyers would offer better & more interesting fights.

It's kinda funny but the hype for destroyers being the end of the world - type monsters they appear far less than you'd think troughout the main plot. Personally i left stonesummit behind me when i left Tyria ;P.