Curse

ilipol · Sep 01, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46

/signed

Let me start by saying that the rest of the expansion is good...

I waited before posting here, until the actual game was released, but now I have to say that HoM is a joke.

Why on earth should we be able to display only 5 heroes and 5 titles???? There are a ton of things to avoid this like making the statues smaller so all can fit, or arrange them in different heights...

Oh and why do you have to make the pets customizable? You could simply add the pets in the display by removing them from the inventory and vice versa...no customization needed, no pet loaning allowed...

HoM was poorly designed and implemented... ANet please next time before you add something to the game take some time to think...

Keifru · Sep 01, 2007, 10:34 AM // 10:34

/signed

Also, is there a way to remove the things on the title one once you have put them up? I was messing with it and I assume you can't.

Matt_Night · Sep 01, 2007, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ceylon Tea Cat

/signed

GWEN-weapons only is really DISAPPOINTED...

You cant deny those we strived to obtain before.
Those we got in DoA, Deep, Urgoz?....

yeah, i tried putting my new GWEN golds/greens to HoM and guess what? They cant be submitted! What the heck is "hi-end" weapon anyway? Endgame greens and destroyer weapons? GG aNet? I dont think so...

raven214 · Sep 01, 2007, 11:58 AM // 11:58

/signed

I especially agree with the Monument of Devotion and Monument of Resilience changes.

Having your minipets forever locked to one character is sort of a cruel joke. I suspect many players, like myself, have one collection of minipets in storage, so that we can take them out with whichever character we like. Now we have to buy multiple sets, or at least multiple copies of our minipets just to take them out with other characters on the same account? I understand the idea of linking them to something -- so players can't simply pass around mini's just to fill up their HoM, but they should be linked to the account, not the character.

Having some random "area" armor displayed on a random model seems to utterly defeat the purpose of showing off your armor. It seems more like a feature still in beta limbo, rather than its final implementation... and for the HoM's sake I hope that is the case, as I find this a bigger deal IMHO than as described in the original post. [EDIT: Has this been fixed already? It's unclear to me...]

Sarevok Thordin · Sep 01, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

The cap for the PvP titles is a bit extreme, especially Hero. Reduce it to rank 6 or so.

jmartinbsu · Sep 01, 2007, 01:32 PM // 13:32

/agree
/disagree

1. I see-saw on the account-based/Character Based portion.

2. Mini pet displays are a money sink. It makes them more of a prestige thing and actually should drive prices of them UP!

3. I think this was a nod to all the PvP character players out there. Almost every other monument of X is only fulfillable by PvE.

4. I was really hoping that we'd be able to put Gold weapons on here or weapons from any campaign. Guess not.

5. I ABSOLUTELY agree with the armor notes. That's just freakin silly.

6. I definitely like the idea of the access button like the guild hall button available on the "H" Titles Menu.

7. I would hate to see merchants, x. agents, etc in the HoM. Think of the Hall as a Museum to your character's exploints. Do you want someone hawking something in the middle of your respectful museum? I wouldn't. Maybe over time a Priest of Balthazar with find his way to the Eye because the order has decided that the battle that is ensuing in the region deserves more of Balthazar's Attention. . . Being that the HoM is not like a Guild Hall (where multiple people can come and hang out, organize battles, etc) and these "merchant" services would not be truly utilized, I wouldn't like to see these things in the HoM. Besides, it removes one of the benefits of actually JOINING a guild if they're available in the HoM.

The Last Anthem · Sep 01, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

/signed
I haven't gotten gw:en yet and probably won't for a while, but the changes you mentioned are what I'd want

saj · Sep 01, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

/signed

should be totally done

Thor Brackenstall · Sep 01, 2007, 03:57 PM // 15:57

/signed

I want to take any old weapon i feel like taking from all of guildwars to gw2 through that HoM. Who wants somthing everybody else already has (destroyer weapons). This does not reward pve players in the way advertised.

Commander Ryker · Sep 01, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by OlMurraniKasale

I am updating my previous post. BOOOO to the hero armor pieces being required. I just spent the entire afternoon trying to get even ONE, and people in the outposts were getting them, some two or three and i got ZERO. In all these months of trying since NF came out, sometimes doing nothing but that I got ONE!

Well at least Olias and Razah (already has his best set) can go into the HoM. Booo to hero armor! Cosmetic dung idea.

I second your boooo and add a thumbs down to it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP

gaile just confirmed it ... HoM is going to remain character based

Going by past experience, we really cannot rely on Gaile for confirming anything.

I just read this on the official site: "The Hall of Monuments is character based rather than account based. This allows players to store accomplishments for each individual level 20 PvE character on their account. Titles that are account based will be applied to the Hall of Monuments of each character on an account." Does that mean mini's or just the pvp crap?

Loviatar · Sep 01, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

I just read this on the official site: "The Hall of Monuments is character based rather than account based. This allows players to store accomplishments for each individual level 20 PvE character on their account. Titles that are account based will be applied to the Hall of Monuments of each character on an account." Does that mean mini's or just the pvp crap?

first off they have decided that minipets will be account customized.

they also stated that it might be weeks/months/by the end of the year to change it.

already customized to a character minipets WILL be included in that change when it happens

titles that are account wide now in the game will be monument account wide as well

titles that are per character in game now will stay character based in the hall

Hyper Cutter · Sep 01, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orseis

/signed

Why only GWEN weapons?? Should be ALL High end weapons. We should also be able to display gold and materialds. I'm really disappointed about this HoM...

Indeed. Weapon monument sucks ass right now. At the very least, we should be able to display greens in it...

watashi nai naosu · Sep 01, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

/signed
I think that the minipets should be customized for my acount and when i look at to say that it is, and when others people look at it to have it say cusomized for that characters acount.

Leijah · Sep 01, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

A couple of ideas... (Not sure if these have been posted yet)

It would indeed be nice to display more titles and armor than just five. If it really is too difficult to change the amount of how many statues are displayed on the pedestals at once, could there at least be some kind of a list of all the other titles/armor the player has? This list could be viewed by clicking the text 'Honor' or 'Resilience' in front of the pedestals.

I've also been thinking would it be better if non-maxed titles could be displayed in the Hall of Monuments as well. For example, many people have played a lot of PvP, but haven't earned the maximum title. I'm sure these players would like to be able to display their current rank, because they have still worked hard for it and are proud of it.
However, only maximized titles could be displayed as statues and unmaximized would just be showed in the list.

As far as I am concerned, the Hall of Monuments is only for show-off and recalling the past. Everyone don't necessarily need to maximize their titles to be proud of them. I think it would be a good idea to be able to display the unmaximized titles as well so players could remember the good memories that are attached to them.

Toba Kett · Sep 01, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19

/signed

1) Anet gave us the option to name our account......therefore customizing a minipet to the account shouldnt be such a big deal.

2) I have heard alot of people say the per character is so we can hold names for GW2 as well......which seems like a good idea but the same effect could be done by adding a "historian" NPC where they "record your name for generations to come"...... if it stays character based I'm not going to whine and cry, I can work my own storyline around it but it is a pain, seeing as I have a LDoA who really wont be getting much more titles then drunkard.....I have one toon specifically for wisdom/treasure hunter titles.....one toon for each campaign for the mission titles.....one survivor who isn't going to get anything else for titles.......and trying to get ALL of them to GW:EN AND get the tapestries.......not going to happen I don't think....I've been playing for nearly a year now and only JUST beat all 3 core campaigns....

3) HoM should include cimeactic replay for all campaigns....I like the feature, I LOVE the cinematics but I also realize that most people hate them so i skip them alot as a common courtesy to people nice enough to take the time to help me.

4) Armor display should be a bit more lenient....most of the elite armor I think is ugly, and I like to combo one kind of armor with another.....I think it would be awesome to display MY armor as I made it and colored it.....I take pride in my creativity....

5) I defintely agree about hotlinking HoM...would be VERY nice if HoM was like a mini guild hall.......heck.....even maybe make a new screen where you can invite people to your HoM...

6) weapons need to be more lenient....because most green weapons I think are fugly. I like my gold zodiac daggers, and I know of alot of people who have put dye on weapons and such who want to show it off.

7) the whole heros only display if they have upgraded armor is wonky too. Alot of hero upgrade armor is nasty. again....HoM is suppsoed to show off what is important to our characters, what they worked hard to get and took pride in.....isn't it?

Doctade · Sep 01, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

/signed

I worked for my r6 in HA but guess what, I get nothing to show for it thanks Anet

Keifru · Sep 01, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

For the minipets, why not have them "displayed" but if they are removed from your account (selling/trading), then it's "removed" from your monument.

That way if you go "I don't want this minipet really" you can sell it and get others.

I mean, it wouldn't be that much of a leap from making it customized to account-only, right?

Friar Khan · Sep 01, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

I've already posted to say that I /sign

But now that we know a little more about the monument of valor I'd like to say...

The weapons monument implementation seems ridiculously poor at present; there needs to be a greater variety of weapons allowed in there. I think with the HoM Anet is generally thinking too much about how monuments will be inherited because Gaile's responses on some of the HoM complaints so far (not being account based) largely come from the inheritance point of view. They should be more concerned about making the HoM an appreciated aspect of the game independent of GW2.

Most people would rather show off the weapons they've already aquired, the stuff they've accumulated and bonded with over the past 2+ years, than this small selection of weapons. I really hope they open up the weapon monument and I'm considering boycotting the HoM until they do.

Another thing: There should be fewer restrictions on the amount of things we can put in the monument, or if it's easy for them to implement (probably not) it should be easier to remove items from the monument. Perhaps I'd like to fill up the armor monument right away, but once I get more GWEN armors maybe I'd like to put a couple of those in the monument in addition to, or instead of, the ones I had already placed in there.

Avalon4000 · Sep 02, 2007, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Can I add another complaint?

Each person is able to earn all 4 Tapestries for their Hall. So why are people SELLING the Monumental Tapestries?! I think this defeats the point of the Hall and adds a profiting aspect to something that should not be about profit.

I think the Monumental Tapestry item should be Customized to the character who earns it.

lord_kelvin · Sep 02, 2007, 12:11 AM // 00:11

/signed

extra tab in storage please!