Curse

Water Angel · Sep 25, 2007, 10:12 AM // 10:12

sweeet another cry baby wimp...geez

TabascoSauce · Sep 25, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

It is all so perfectly clear to me now.

You PvP gurus are realizing that you have spent the better part of what, 2 years of your life in this game, and these forums are the only place where you can get any recognition for that 2 year commitment because nobody else in the world cares. So here you are, demanding respect for your decision to spend 4,672 hours playing GW, when that 4,672 hours could have been spent with a person of the opposite gender, and all you have to offer people asking for help is "u suck lrn2playnoob"? Yeah, that sure is documented proof of your hard-won knowledge there.

No wonder you guys are so ill-mannered and defensive about PvP - because if you knew then what you knew now, that all this time would result in forumites reading your claims of 4,672 hours and questioning your judgement, social skills, and decision-making process that resulted in 4,672 hours in here? So you claim to be PvP experts that breathe rarefied air beyond the comprehension of normal people in some vain attempt to salvage something from this 4,672 hour commitment which has resulted in what?

And slowly, ANet is taking away the crown jewels of PvP - like say Favor? That must really stick in your craw.

Yeah, if I was in your position, I'd be bitter and feel like I was owed something too - but you made the choice, and it is not my or anyone elses fault that your poor decision results in you getting little respect for your decision to spend 4,672 hours playing this game. What were you thinking? That you would get others to believe that you have skills in GW beyond the norm, or just a sad desire for respect for the one thing you have done for the last 2 years?

If a boy told me that he had spent 4,672 hours playing with the paddleball, and then demanded that I respect his skills with it, when I did that paddleball silliness years ago and found it strangely lacking, and saw how shallow it was, well of course I would think him silly when he would say that the paddleball takes nuances on the rubber band connecting the paddle and the ball. Whoop te doo. He's got to make the best of what he's got, right? So, counting down to everyone pressing the "3" key does not require the equivalent of a PhD.

Yeah, I'd be bitter too. Take this as the shock that you people need - this game is going away soon. It will all go up in a poof of electronic smoke.

I would suggest that you go try spending time with a person of whatever gender you prefer, and let me tell you, if you think PvP is involved and complex, just wait till you try relationships.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

PS- wanna talk about the difficulty of PvE and how to help players? I'd recommend maybe reading Hanoks post, because he is seriously trying to further the subject instead of bickering like we all are.

glountz · Sep 25, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

It is all so perfectly clear to me now.

You PvP gurus are realizing that you have spent the better part of what, 2 years of your life in this game, and these forums are the only place where you can get any recognition for that 2 year commitment because nobody else in the world cares. So here you are, demanding respect for your decision to spend 4,672 hours playing GW, when that 4,672 hours could have been spent with a person of the opposite gender, and all you have to offer people asking for help is "u suck lrn2playnoob"? Yeah, that sure is documented proof of your hard-won knowledge there.

No wonder you guys are so ill-mannered and defensive about PvP - because if you knew then what you knew now, that all this time would result in forumites reading your claims of 4,672 hours and questioning your judgement, social skills, and decision-making process that resulted in 4,672 hours in here? So you claim to be PvP experts that breathe rarefied air beyond the comprehension of normal people in some vain attempt to salvage something from this 4,672 hour commitment which has resulted in what?

And slowly, ANet is taking away the crown jewels of PvP - like say Favor? That must really stick in your craw.

Yeah, if I was in your position, I'd be bitter and feel like I was owed something too - but you made the choice, and it is not my or anyone elses fault that your poor decision results in you getting little respect for your decision to spend 4,672 hours playing this game. What were you thinking? That you would get others to believe that you have skills in GW beyond the norm, or just a sad desire for respect for the one thing you have done for the last 2 years?

If a boy told me that he had spent 4,672 hours playing with the paddleball, and then demanded that I respect his skills with it, when I did that paddleball silliness years ago and found it strangely lacking, and saw how shallow it was, well of course I would think him silly when he would say that the paddleball takes nuances on the rubber band connecting the paddle and the ball. Whoop te doo. He's got to make the best of what he's got, right? So, counting down to everyone pressing the "3" key does not require the equivalent of a PhD.

Yeah, I'd be bitter too. Take this as the shock that you people need - this game is going away soon. It will all go up in a poof of electronic smoke.

I would suggest that you go try spending time with a person of whatever gender you prefer, and let me tell you, if you think PvP is involved and complex, just wait till you try relationships.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

PS- wanna talk about the difficulty of PvE and how to help players? I'd recommend maybe reading Hanoks post, because he is seriously trying to further the subject instead of bickering like we all are.

Hah ahahha a !
I never laughed so hard! This post wins all guru thread from 2 years.
Well...
I would thank you for making a real reality check for people here. On a side note, I'm that kind of casual player that loves video games but has a wife and a job.
I'm sick that A-Net stopped to support us (people that have not so much time to play) to support grinders.
GW will end for me as soons as they close servers. I hope there will be a beautiful game online soon that doesn't require so much of my time to complete at the fullest.

Free Wind · Sep 25, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

- lots of words to increase post count -

Man, I have a feeling you were writing this long speech the whole night and then rehearsing it entire morning in front of a mirror. Then, having satisfied you ego and having convinced yourself how smart and brilliant you are you copy-pasted your well-written BS from Word into this forum

Well done. You really should get a job as a speech writer for presidents, man!

If I'm not mistaken, you were the one who was arguing with several experienced people claiming that elementalists make better minion masters then necros themselves, lol. That thread was also full of your "so smart" and yet completely non-sense statements

You're not PvPer, ok, but are you any good in PvE then? What have you created / achieved in PvE? Sab, at least, has made this PvE build - http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?p=3166969 and shared it with community. The build rocks! Do you have anything similar to contribute, apart from your so impolite, so self-enamoured and so long speeches?

Faer · Sep 25, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Tabasco, I really tried to take you seriously. I really tried to read your post without automatically thinking you were an inexperienced idiot. But then you said this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

And slowly, ANet is taking away the crown jewels of PvP - like say Favor? That must really stick in your craw.

You are either very stupid, or extremely naive. Or possibly both. And, off-topic, you talk about spending time with "the opposite gender" a lot. Might you possibly be single and a virgin?

korcan · Sep 25, 2007, 04:07 PM // 16:07

response to op.

normal mode pve is so ridiculously easy that im finding it hard to believe someone with 2+ years of experience is having difficulty with it. whatever the case is, tweaking your team build for any semblance of synergy will get the job done. people have posted specific builds you can use so ill leave it at that.

to all the pve v pvp posters.

any experience in high-end pvp will make you a better pver. i cant say the same for high-end pve making you a better pvper.

in regards to player experience, regardless of how shallow or deep you consider it to be, experience will ultimately make you a more refined player. the learning curve is going to vary person to person but to write it off almost entirely is being somewhat naive.

SeraCombi · Sep 25, 2007, 04:36 PM // 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

Tabasco, I really tried to take you seriously. I really tried to read your post without automatically thinking you were an inexperienced idiot. But then you said this:

You are either very stupid, or extremely naive. Or possibly both. And, off-topic, you talk about spending time with "the opposite gender" a lot. Might you possibly be single and a virgin?

Forum moderators shouldn't fall into the trap of responding to childish posts by making inappropriate posts themselves. As a moderator you must show a level of restraint that most posters don't.

Crom The Pale · Sep 25, 2007, 05:21 PM // 17:21

How does one respond to a post like, "you sound like an idiot".....

The children posts aside this is all very simply a case of everyone thinking they are the best and most knowledgeable in all aspects of a game.

Yes this is just a game.

If you really think spending 1000+ hours playing pvp gives you some insight that somebody that is familiar with the game and knows all skills and there uses doesnt know your just fooling yourself.

Stating that since the AI can't adapt to people as a reason that pvp teaches you something that does not apply in pve is a joke.

The AI doesnt need to adapt. It doesnt care if it wins or loses. Its just a game.

A good player is a good player regardless what area of GW they are in.

Saying that a pvp player does better in pve that somebody that never pvp's makes no sense at all. A good player will win, its just that simple.

Taking a pvp build into most areas will work, simply taking 8 live people with random skill bars will work. That proves nothing.

PvP players have a "I must win" mentalitly that can make them very anoying. In PvE most of us just want to have fun. Sometimes that means we use a bad build and have to strugle forward with 60%dp.

I am certain that a PvP player will post that I suck and that they have never had to struggle with any dp because they are so good, but who cares. I like to have fun, thats why I play the game and do not worry or get stressed out wheater or not my build is perfect or my party or if we are working in perfect harmony. This is a GAME. Play for fun, play to kill time, but stop posting here and just go PLAY!!

Snow Bunny · Sep 25, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

It is all so perfectly clear to me now.

You PvP gurus are realizing that you have spent the better part of what, 2 years of your life in this game, and these forums are the only place where you can get any recognition for that 2 year commitment because nobody else in the world cares. So here you are, demanding respect for your decision to spend 4,672 hours playing GW, when that 4,672 hours could have been spent with a person of the opposite gender, and all you have to offer people asking for help is "u suck lrn2playnoob"? Yeah, that sure is documented proof of your hard-won knowledge there.

No wonder you guys are so ill-mannered and defensive about PvP - because if you knew then what you knew now, that all this time would result in forumites reading your claims of 4,672 hours and questioning your judgement, social skills, and decision-making process that resulted in 4,672 hours in here? So you claim to be PvP experts that breathe rarefied air beyond the comprehension of normal people in some vain attempt to salvage something from this 4,672 hour commitment which has resulted in what?

And slowly, ANet is taking away the crown jewels of PvP - like say Favor? That must really stick in your craw.

Yeah, if I was in your position, I'd be bitter and feel like I was owed something too - but you made the choice, and it is not my or anyone elses fault that your poor decision results in you getting little respect for your decision to spend 4,672 hours playing this game. What were you thinking? That you would get others to believe that you have skills in GW beyond the norm, or just a sad desire for respect for the one thing you have done for the last 2 years?

If a boy told me that he had spent 4,672 hours playing with the paddleball, and then demanded that I respect his skills with it, when I did that paddleball silliness years ago and found it strangely lacking, and saw how shallow it was, well of course I would think him silly when he would say that the paddleball takes nuances on the rubber band connecting the paddle and the ball. Whoop te doo. He's got to make the best of what he's got, right? So, counting down to everyone pressing the "3" key does not require the equivalent of a PhD.

Yeah, I'd be bitter too. Take this as the shock that you people need - this game is going away soon. It will all go up in a poof of electronic smoke.

I would suggest that you go try spending time with a person of whatever gender you prefer, and let me tell you, if you think PvP is involved and complex, just wait till you try relationships.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

PS- wanna talk about the difficulty of PvE and how to help players? I'd recommend maybe reading Hanoks post, because he is seriously trying to further the subject instead of bickering like we all are.

There shouldn't be a discussion.

I've been playing this game for a year. It's not difficult in the PvE aspect. It's simply not. Sure, I've had a roadblock or two with some Hardmode missions, but that's my business. Normal mode PvE is embarassingly easy. C'mon.

Again, if you complain about NM PvE, post your build. So we can rip it apart and explain why you're not doing well.

Stop running your shit builds and learn to be unoriginal. Conformity isn't such a terrible thing every once in a whole.

Snow Bunny · Sep 25, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeraCombi

Forum moderators shouldn't fall into the trap of responding to childish posts by making inappropriate posts themselves. As a moderator you must show a level of restraint that most posters don't.

Except....he's stating the truth. There's no actual valid reason people should have problems. Much less make idiotic statements.

TabascoSauce · Sep 25, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Wow. For all the mocking that happens towards newer or less experienced players, "lrn2play", "PvE is too easy", "you are just a bad player" and all that, you lot sure get mad when you are the subject of the mockery.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Gigashadow · Sep 25, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

You PvP gurus are realizing that you have spent the better part of what, 2 years of your life in this game, and these forums are the only place where you can get any recognition for that 2 year commitment because nobody else in the world cares.

This is ironic, because not only have you stated in a previous post that you've been playing this game for 2 years, but you also write 10 essays a day on these forums, on this topic alone. Guess what? When this game goes away in a puff of electronic smoke (along with your 2 years of playing), so will these forums and your essays.

I do wonder what makes you so bitter at everyone and everything in computer games such as this one. They are, after all, just a hobby. A normal person who didn't like a game or some aspect of it, would just move on. You seem to have some personal issue, though, that requires that you post essay after essay, flaming away at people playing one aspect of the game (pvp in this case). I suggest you seek psychological help. Really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

I would suggest that you go try spending time with a person of whatever gender you prefer, and let me tell you, if you think PvP is involved and complex, just wait till you try relationships.

Congratulations on your first relationship (really!). The reason I can tell it is your first one, is that relationships are a normal activity that the vast majority of humans participate in, and not really something worthy of running to a message board to post about.

Dr Strangelove · Sep 25, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Sure, I've had a roadblock or two with some Hardmode missions, but that's my business. Normal mode PvE is embarassingly easy. C'mon.

Enough of this careless responsibility for your own shortcomings. Clearly you got stuck because anet is bad at the game, you're an elitist, and PvPers eat toddlers while breaking the game. Or something. Did I get that right Tabasco?

TabascoSauce · Sep 26, 2007, 04:08 AM // 04:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigashadow

This is ironic, because not only have you stated in a previous post that you've been playing this game for 2 years, but you also write 10 essays a day on these forums, on this topic alone. Guess what? When this game goes away in a puff of electronic smoke (along with your 2 years of playing), so will these forums and your essays.

I do wonder what makes you so bitter at everyone and everything in computer games such as this one. They are, after all, just a hobby. A normal person who didn't like a game or some aspect of it, would just move on. You seem to have some personal issue, though, that requires that you post essay after essay, flaming away at people playing one aspect of the game (pvp in this case). I suggest you seek psychological help. Really.

Congratulations on your first relationship (really!). The reason I can tell it is your first one, is that relationships are a normal activity that the vast majority of humans participate in, and not really something worthy of running to a message board to post about.

Well, I am not really bitter, in the context you are referring to. Every time I read this thread, I see two distinct "sides", to put it bluntly.

I see that specifically, Hanok Odbrook for his multitude of helpful supportive posts, and many others too numerous to mention that I really ought to because they are trying to form the basis of what GW should have - a community. They are trying to understand what is bothering the OP, and help him past his frustration to find what we have found in the game - challenging fun. This is a really fun game, all complaints aside, and has given a fantastic value for the money.

On the other side, I see just as many posters who should hang their heads in shame, for the useless posts that actually hurt the community, as far as I am concerned. I have seen many of these posters elsewhere in these forums, and I'm sad to say that a majority of them have boasted, in this thread and elsewhere, of PvP prowess and how that makes them superior players, so "STFU & lrn2play noob". They use this as some kind of shield or justification to exempt them from acting in a conscientious manner, and choose the path of condescension and ridicule.

I'm not buying it anymore. Whether they are superior or no, they are definitely not willing to go any farther than saying some insipid variant on the words "you fail" and/or "you suck". Their demands of respect are the basest form of elitism and an attempt to "class" the forum into what, the smarties and the losers?

I'll put it bluntly - if they are willing to dish it out, then they should be willing to take it. If I can shake them out of believing that anything, and I mean anything, gives them the justification to post such mean spirited rhetoric, then I'll take whatever vain attempt to put me down you have to say as a result. Go back to page 1 of this thread, and you'll see some of those posters are still here, and I'm obviously causing them distress. And it is not just a few bad eggs here.

If you think this is a stunt, you would be correct. I see pages and pages of people (Hi Hanok & Co) trying to outdo their acidic comments with logic and reason. Heck, I even tried for a while, and it was not working. So I figured I would try shock.

Now do you think I have your attention?

The PvP subculture in GW is making no attempt that I see to police their members from this kind of behavior, and while it may or may not be their job, there needs to be some way of making posters aware that if they, for all their good intentions (if they have any), want to be leaders and respected in this community they need to find a different way to express themselves than "Fail". Particularly if they are truly experienced in the game, they have no excuse to ridicule newer or less experienced members.

I see Sab (for his thread right now), and Avarre, and Ensign, and others have posted builds and are being helpful in their own way, and my hat is off to them. I'd say it is fair to say that I have less time to play the game and post in these forums than they do, and AFAIC they are giving back to the community. That is leadership. We might not always agree, but this is a forum - it happens.

If any of you have not posted bile and ridicule, then I'll offer my sincere apologies if I have offended you. For those who have, think of this as my way to get your attention and show you how it feels to be attacked. Please, please think twice before you post "U suck". Not only is that it makes the jobs of Hanok, Chthon, Chthulhu Reborn, and others still to numerous to mention, harder, but you leave a lasting impression to the OP.

Go ahead and tell me I am a grandstanding son of a gun. I do not mind, because it is true. I'll do this rather than sit by and let it happen - whether it works or not, I tried.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Avarre · Sep 26, 2007, 04:39 AM // 04:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

It is all so perfectly clear to me now.

You PvP gurus are realizing that you have spent the better part of what, 2 years of your life in this game, and these forums are the only place where you can get any recognition for that 2 year commitment because nobody else in the world cares. So here you are, demanding respect for your decision to spend 4,672 hours playing GW, when that 4,672 hours could have been spent with a person of the opposite gender, and all you have to offer people asking for help is "u suck lrn2playnoob"? Yeah, that sure is documented proof of your hard-won knowledge there.

No wonder you guys are so ill-mannered and defensive about PvP - because if you knew then what you knew now, that all this time would result in forumites reading your claims of 4,672 hours and questioning your judgement, social skills, and decision-making process that resulted in 4,672 hours in here? So you claim to be PvP experts that breathe rarefied air beyond the comprehension of normal people in some vain attempt to salvage something from this 4,672 hour commitment which has resulted in what?

And slowly, ANet is taking away the crown jewels of PvP - like say Favor? That must really stick in your craw.

Yeah, if I was in your position, I'd be bitter and feel like I was owed something too - but you made the choice, and it is not my or anyone elses fault that your poor decision results in you getting little respect for your decision to spend 4,672 hours playing this game. What were you thinking? That you would get others to believe that you have skills in GW beyond the norm, or just a sad desire for respect for the one thing you have done for the last 2 years?

If a boy told me that he had spent 4,672 hours playing with the paddleball, and then demanded that I respect his skills with it, when I did that paddleball silliness years ago and found it strangely lacking, and saw how shallow it was, well of course I would think him silly when he would say that the paddleball takes nuances on the rubber band connecting the paddle and the ball. Whoop te doo. He's got to make the best of what he's got, right? So, counting down to everyone pressing the "3" key does not require the equivalent of a PhD.

Yeah, I'd be bitter too. Take this as the shock that you people need - this game is going away soon. It will all go up in a poof of electronic smoke.

I would suggest that you go try spending time with a person of whatever gender you prefer, and let me tell you, if you think PvP is involved and complex, just wait till you try relationships.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

PS- wanna talk about the difficulty of PvE and how to help players? I'd recommend maybe reading Hanoks post, because he is seriously trying to further the subject instead of bickering like we all are.

YunSooJin · Sep 26, 2007, 05:19 AM // 05:19

TabascoSauce, your arguments suck, your understanding of the basis of GW's mechanics suck, and its no surprise that this thread has degenerated into what it is now with you constantly spewing your crap.

Try posting your builds and the 'evil PvP elitist AGAINST ME' people will break it down for you and explain why you suck, so you can be better.

Or just write another meaningless wall of words with plenty of passive-aggressive content and futile attempts to paint us as a horde of angry people hellbent on crushing you.

Witless fool -.-

Div · Sep 26, 2007, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

If you really think spending 1000+ hours playing pvp gives you some insight that somebody that is familiar with the game and knows all skills and there uses doesnt know your just fooling yourself.

Stating that since the AI can't adapt to people as a reason that pvp teaches you something that does not apply in pve is a joke.

The AI doesnt need to adapt. It doesnt care if it wins or loses. Its just a game.

A good player is a good player regardless what area of GW they are in.

Saying that a pvp player does better in pve that somebody that never pvp's makes no sense at all. A good player will win, its just that simple.

Taking a pvp build into most areas will work, simply taking 8 live people with random skill bars will work. That proves nothing.

PvP players have a "I must win" mentalitly that can make them very anoying. In PvE most of us just want to have fun. Sometimes that means we use a bad build and have to strugle forward with 60%dp.

I am certain that a PvP player will post that I suck and that they have never had to struggle with any dp because they are so good, but who cares. I like to have fun, thats why I play the game and do not worry or get stressed out wheater or not my build is perfect or my party or if we are working in perfect harmony. This is a GAME. Play for fun, play to kill time, but stop posting here and just go PLAY!!

I've done the experiment: took a group of smart PvP players (not even the "best" of the PvPers) and easily completed The Deep in HM, then proceeded to vanquish some of the hardest zones with many heroes.

Then I took a group of "great PvEers" into GvG (note: many of which have IVI+ or legendary vanquisher). Struggled to even beat teams with rating 990.

There's the proof you whiners want. Being good at PvE doesn't mean you'll be good at all in PvP, but being good at PvP means you'll be relatively good in PvE.

Div · Sep 26, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

Tabasco, I really tried to take you seriously. I really tried to read your post without automatically thinking you were an inexperienced idiot. But then you said this:

You are either very stupid, or extremely naive. Or possibly both. And, off-topic, you talk about spending time with "the opposite gender" a lot. Might you possibly be single and a virgin?

I lol'ed in real life. Tabasco is pretty bad. Yeah.

cthulhu reborn · Sep 26, 2007, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

I have, combined, well over 20 million experience on various chars, mainly on a Mesmer. I have PKM on that mes, as well as several other titles at various stages, including grind titles like Treasure Hunter (6). I have written PvE articles on game theory, designed farming builds years ago with SMS, cleared FoW with 3 men back in 2005. I have full fissure earned solo/duo farming UW, and multiple tormented items.

What exactly is your point of calling me a 'PvPer'? I've done more PvE than PvP. Sab's story isn't that different.
.

Where did I mention your name in my post? Exactly, I didn't.

My beef is with a certain attitude where some PvP ers seem to have a holier than thou attitude.
Sab says as much as that PvP ers are better than PvE ers. And there are some who subscribe to this. Whether someone plays more PvE or PvP is irrelevant to me. I do not like the condescending comments that are being made from a PvP point of view that say that PvE ers are supposedly lesser people than PvP ers. If you do not subscribe to that point of view then my comments have nothing to do with you.

cthulhu reborn · Sep 26, 2007, 05:44 AM // 05:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

Tabasco, I really tried to take you seriously. I really tried to read your post without automatically thinking you were an inexperienced idiot. But then you said this:

You are either very stupid, or extremely naive. Or possibly both. And, off-topic, you talk about spending time with "the opposite gender" a lot. Might you possibly be single and a virgin?

With all due respect but isn't this the type of post the forum rules are asking us to stay away from? Or was it on another forum where people are asked to stay away from calling people things like stupid and attacking their personal life?