Curse

Uber Mass · Oct 01, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Still, most people HATE DoA. I mean, statisitcally speaking, the number of people who like to farm DoA is fairly small. There are a few people who like the challenge. Let them have DoA and stay there.
The average player doesn't like the insane difficulty of certain areas that require Vent/TS and an exact wiki copied build to succeed.

GW:EN could be harder, or maybe even add/have one or two areas that are as difficult as DoA. But if they made the entire expansion like that, a.net would anger a large part of their player base.

Agree... overall i like the GWEN expansion ofc they nerf some bugs here and there.. And surely i dont want the whole expansion to be hard ^^

Sheriff · Oct 01, 2007, 06:26 AM // 06:26

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Originally Posted by Shiro Katagari

So, less whining from me, more activity this time - I did the run again (regular party, H&H, just a little before GWG updated the server), fighting my way down like a good honest tomb-robber, and this time I recorded the relevant stats.

Thanks for your post Shiro, here's the proof to what I said earlier.

People that used to PUG to do a run, are back to their H/H habits.

If killing PUGs is what ANET has in plans for us, I don't foresee a bright future.

Disclaimer: I'm a 2-account holder with 16+ chars, have been playing GW since 2004 Beta Weekends and it's the first time one of ANET's decisions gets on my nerves...

=HT=Ingram · Oct 01, 2007, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Yes Magmus drops a chest, just not a dungeon chest. its a different thing... Thats all I meant. I didn't know gems ever came out of it... I always got a green or gold weapon...

Shiro Katagari · Oct 01, 2007, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by Sheriff

Thanks for your post Shiro, here's the proof to what I said earlier.

People that used to PUG to do a run, are back to their H/H habits.

Well, possibly true, but this isn't really proof - I H&H'd in this instance because it was to be a timed test run, so I needed to be in full control

If the run itself is still a viable means of earning rewards, then PUGs are still a viable way of doing it.

Generally speaking, a good PUG should always be better than a H&H team. Of course, as Feargal Sharkey once very nearly sang, a good PUG these days is hard to find. Get a decent PUG together, get bonded, co-ordinate your Pain Inverters on Magmus, and you might be able to cut the run down to 20 mins or so, thus doubling the gold-per-hour figure I quoted (aka randomly pulled out of the aether) earlier.

Validating the dungeon run in it's current incarnation doesn't invalidate the use of PUGs with it, just because I chose to run H&H in this instance. It just shows that, should you want to do the run and cannot find a PUG to do it, it's still possible to go the Heroway.

That said, the PUG you join had better be prepared to deal with Magmus...

Peace.

lord dragon · Oct 01, 2007, 10:16 AM // 10:16

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Originally Posted by Davros Uitar

Lord dragon,

Your logic escapes me - is not toughening something up indeed making it more challenging? Did they not then do something you supposedly want to see happen, and to one of your fav areas?

Sorry if I keep seeming to have a go at you in this thread, so I will end that with this post so that you don't start thinking it is personal or anything. It's not intended personally - I find myself drawn to comment whenever I find the logic particularly hard to swallow. Surely you are either against something tougher or for something tougher. You seem also to like highly repeatable things but are against repitition. The only consistency I see leaks through behind the words and implies a tie to rewards rather than the things you argue for (ie less repetition and harder gameplay). That is why I have taken the position I have.

I guess I should stop grinding away at these points.

Please remember...

I must not .................................................. ............

I am not taking as a go at all

. Let me see if I can explain myself better.

I like an area that gives me a real challenge and has the reward for that challenge. By toughening it up, it reduced the size available of teams that will do it. This take the fun out of it for me because, I do like to play with people, not ai. That said, I do believe that there are people who do like to play with ai, and there is nothing wrong with it.

Also, with the small reward at the end, it no longer is a viable area for me. I do like a challenge, but I also like the reward at the end when I am successful.

I guess you could say I like to gamble a bit on an area with high damage mobs and high rewards that fit the mobs. With the change, they increased the challenge, but the reward stayed the same and the teams disapeared.

Now, you may consider this selfish in a way, but remember, my characters are finished. No need to continue with armor ect. I have the weapons I want on them so there is no further development needed in the equipment aspect. What I get is usually given away freely to guild members or sold to pay for armor with people coming into the game. When you are sitting on max gold in storage and plenty on each character, it is no longer farming per se, it is just having fun.

Again, I do like teams. They are the reason I play an MMO. GWEN gives neither the risk or reward for me. It is endless C, spacebar for a title I care nothing about. The armor sucks, so no need to farm a title with C, spacebar. The only enjoyment I got from the game was this run as it gave me endless laughs watching people die in the attempt, but still getting something at the end that they felt was worth the time. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time in the game on a consistent basis.

I knew it would come to an end. I could see that a mile long coming. So I enjoyed the time with the alliance/guild that I could.

As for repetition, in DOA, one mistake can cost a team. It takes skill to pull out of a bad situation and not wipe. I don't require people to have certain skills, ect. I don't require that they have a certain title to play with me. Just a desire to have fun. So, with newer players trying it for the first time a lot of times, this is a challenge. It is not the same run each time as things change by players actions that make it exciting.

Compare that to GWEN's C, spacebar mentality, and there is no comparison.

We were told this was going to be a hard area. No hardmode at the start. Have no idea when it will happen. Someday I guess.

We were told 40 new sets or armor. We got reskins.

We were told new weapons. We got reskins.

So, limited risk, no reward equals no fun for me. I figure with the couple of hours of laughs I got with the boss run, that equated to $5 worth of fun. You may argue for a higher amount, but, in my mind that was fair.

I do appreciate your opinion. I just don't share it.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Zeph · Oct 01, 2007, 11:05 AM // 11:05

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

Yes Magmus drops a chest, just not a dungeon chest. its a different thing... Thats all I meant. I didn't know gems ever came out of it... I always got a green or gold weapon...

Not exactly sure what your on about but when you kill Magmus, a chest spawns and it's a dungeon chest, exactly the same as every other dungeon chest that I have seen. (and I've finished all dungeons, most of them many times)

Hyper Cutter · Oct 02, 2007, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

We were told new weapons. We got reskins.

No, we got new weapons. Greens have always been mostly reskins (or not even that), they don't count...

lord dragon · Oct 02, 2007, 04:29 AM // 04:29

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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

No, we got new weapons. Greens have always been mostly reskins (or not even that), they don't count...

Actually, we didn't. And greens do count as in any game so far. We didn't get new weapons, we got reskins. Would you like to to explain each one in detail for each weapon and go over exactly what the reskin was? I would be more then happy to oblige.

Don't get me wrong, in other campains this was done some. In GWEN is became ok to do it all for the most part.

Why do you think the greens and other weapons in GWEN are very liminted in value? They look like everything else so the players know it already.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

byteme! · Oct 02, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

Actually, we didn't. And greens do count as in any game so far. We didn't get new weapons, we got reskins.

lennymon · Oct 02, 2007, 11:49 PM // 23:49

reskin this: Greater Sage Blade

Sprites · Oct 03, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

lol ^^ i never thought of running that

and i take a good hour to finish it

lord dragon · Oct 03, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by byteme!

You did check your links right?

All are generic links.

byteme! · Oct 04, 2007, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

You did check your links right?

All are generic links.

Who cares? You didn't answer my question. The rest is irrelevant.

Imaginos · Oct 04, 2007, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

You did check your links right?

All are generic links.

and each generic link there has a section down near the bottom showing all the skins found in GW:EN. Many weapons have new skins. Sadly the armors are almost all reskins for everything.

lord dragon · Oct 04, 2007, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by byteme!

Who cares? You didn't answer my question. The rest is irrelevant.

Actually I did. Really doesn't matter now. Headed into a new MMO as I didn't like the GW changes. So have fun guys. May be back for GW2 after I find out about the grind. The good news is there are a lot of MMO's out there to choose from. This is just one of them. Will miss it a little with all the time spent in it. I had my fun, and now have moved on.

Took the advice of someone on the board and took a good look at all there was to offer.

See you in the next game.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Zahr Dalsk · Oct 04, 2007, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

But if you don't grind, you can't craft things like Spectacles...

wetsparks · Oct 04, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

well lord dragon, I would like to know what mmo you found that had less "grind" than guild wars does.

lord dragon · Oct 05, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

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Originally Posted by wetsparks

well lord dragon, I would like to know what mmo you found that had less "grind" than guild wars does.

It would be very inappropriate for me to discuss another MMO's name here. This is an arenanet moderated board. It would be in poor taste. Trust me though, there are plenty out there to try and a lot are more like GW proph and the original concept of skill>time.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

wetsparks · Oct 05, 2007, 04:19 AM // 04:19

So in other words you are lieing out your ass?

=HT=Ingram · Oct 05, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

Yea it certainly isnt any of the big 3 in the MMORPG market... cause everyone of them I have guildies from and they all say even with the marginally optional grind that is in GW, its a pittiling in comparison to games like WoW or others... As those games REQUIRE it. GW its 100% optional. If you want more PvE skills or want more options for armor skins or whatever then yea there is some grind for it.. but if you just want to play, Do the grind game on 1 character and get a run assist for other characters so you can play whatever you want, when ever you want, how ever you want... Everything you grind for in GW:EN or NF for that matter is optional... (well except to get off N00b island in NF ;( darn sunspear points, but even that is not too bad in comparison. )

Try that in other games and your toast cause you get to an area and are trapped on all side with no way to get out, cause all roads you are sorely outmatched without the help. And there is no hope of making back where you belong for that level.