Curse

Yawgmoth · Sep 04, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

This one of the reasons why HoM is just a bad joke, nothing more. Crafter weapons are accepted as high-end but the real high-end stuff is not.

A reasonable solution to that would be implementing a list of skins which are considered high-end and accepted there - all the real rares, like HoH drops, Zodiacs, Tormenteds, lots of other exceptional items dropping in all campagins, like Magmas Shield, Storm Bow, maybe Platinum items, maybe even some high-end greens like Mallyx ones... the list could be long and it requires a deeper debate about what really should be there and what should not.

But there's one more important issue: What makes or would make the monument 'complete'? We heard before that only 'completed' monuments will gain us rewards in GW2 so it really matters. Maybe a solution would be 10 different items from the accepted list?

IslandHermet · Sep 04, 2007, 12:05 PM // 12:05

I do not understand why people think that Greens are not high end but last time i checked the drop rate on greens is outragous compaired to these So called high end items worthy for the HOM and better yet why people think HOH items belong in the HOM (every single HOH item that drops can be farmed IN HARD MODE in Any area) for example People saying Cyrstilline from HOH how Bout Cyrstilline from UW HMMMMM sorry to burst you HA people out their but all those So called Elite Weapons From HOH i have and Have found in PVE. how in that defense can one say Greens are not worthy of Placement in HOM when Greens do not Drop From HOH.

But what really gets me is the Destroyer weapons are classified as high end but now we have people complaining about why they cant show torment weapons well I for one am glad you cant put up torment weapons they are a waste of $$ except for those EBAY people out their that think look at me i have 2 FOW armor Sets and Torment weapons love me admire me...sorry guys haveing FOW and Torment Weapons nowadays means 1 thing=mommy and daddy's credit card. Sorry bout my rant had to say what needed to be said.

Only Thing Anet needs to Add is A little increased storage i mean 1-5 slots would help anything would help
Releasing a New expanshion with new items and armor and other stuff but not giveing even 1 extra spot EVERYONE /CLAP for Anet on not being nice

Crowell The Fallen · Sep 04, 2007, 12:14 PM // 12:14

I just want my torment shield displayed

Tormented Shield > Destroyer Shield

Epinephrine · Sep 04, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

Not everyone shares the view of what's a special weapon. My ranger's gear is chosen to suit her style - for example, her shield and sword are an Echovald and Briar Blade, with a Barbed Axe for Axe/Shield - these weapons are the most "natural" looking (well, the new Oaken Aegis is pretty cool too). I happen to like my collection of recurves (spiked/bladed/azure/Rotwing, geared out for silencing, bleeding, crippling, poisoning) even though they aren't super special.

Also, what of the weapons earned via Book of Secrets/Amulet of the Mists? Sure, they're not as rare as Tormented stuff, but they are awarded as an end-game item, making them somewhat noteworthy.

The same can be said about the animal companions. Sure, you can go get the moa, spider, phoenix and such, but I can't stand the phoenix or black moa, and while the spider is pretty cool, it doesn't suit my character. Instead you get a generic "animals" statue, without even having your pet's name up there.

Lord Feathers · Sep 04, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

That part of the HOM is and was designed to allow you to possibly and say possibly because not even ANET knows what it is doing or if it does everybody knows they will not be telling you in the first place, to take items or gain some benefit i.e. trinkets ect. for your GW2 characters. Now why in the hell would they allow you to place any common max weapon you can obtain through a collector or farm in a few minutes such as greens in-order to be able to do this ? I think the intent there was to make it so a person who has a weapon there has indeed done something since the destroyer weapons do require some work and are hard to come by. I have seen people selling these as well however and they have been selling for insane prices so even if one was purchased that particular person still lost a huge chunk of change in-rorder to get that weapon.

I think instead of asking why are destroyer weapons high end ( personally I hate the skins myself except one or two ) but the question you really should be asking is " How was that part of HOM suspose to work and how will it be implemented ? "

Would I like to see my old Skull longbow ( just a max gold bow I like the skin of ) up there in my own HoM ? Yeah I would.... but I can see why they are not allowing it. Perhaps to make folks happy they might allow the tapestry itself to show a single weapon of your chosing. I did not think Anet is fully done with the HOM and I expect to see updates and changes in the future myself.

Malice Black · Sep 04, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

I do not understand why people think that Greens are not high end but last time i checked the drop rate on greens is outragous compaired to these So called high end items worthy for the HOM and better yet why people think HOH items belong in the HOM (every single HOH item that drops can be farmed IN HARD MODE in Any area) for example People saying Cyrstilline from HOH how Bout Cyrstilline from UW HMMMMM sorry to burst you HA people out their but all those So called Elite Weapons From HOH i have and Have found in PVE. how in that defense can one say Greens are not worthy of Placement in HOM when Greens do not Drop From HOH.

Gold Crystallines do not drop in PvE. Greens don't deserve a place because they are easily farmed. Everyone knows all you need to do is farm a boss to get a green, you can't just farm a boss to get a perfect gold. Also, greens drop with perfect stats hence a perfect gold with the same skin will always have more value then a green.

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

But what really gets me is the Destroyer weapons are classified as high end but now we have people complaining about why they cant show torment weapons well I for one am glad you cant put up torment weapons they are a waste of $$ except for those EBAY people out their that think look at me i have 2 FOW armor Sets and Torment weapons love me admire me...sorry guys haveing FOW and Torment Weapons nowadays means 1 thing=mommy and daddy's credit card. Sorry bout my rant had to say what needed to be said.

Who are you to decide what is a waste of gold?? Hating on rich people and saying they Ebay is old. Mommy and daddys credit card?? lol I bought thier house for them

your rant is utter nonsense from another uniformed player.

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

Only Thing Anet needs to Add is A little increased storage i mean 1-5 slots would help anything would help
Releasing a New expanshion with new items and armor and other stuff but not giveing even 1 extra spot EVERYONE /CLAP for Anet on not being nice

Extra storage? wtf? they gave us a lot of extra storage. If you have filled it up, sell some shit.

Now..anyone got anything worth a serious reply?

Worthington · Sep 04, 2007, 02:34 PM // 14:34

I'd like to see end game greens have a spot in HOM. The hall is suppossedly there to show off accomplishments, isn't it? There is nothing uber rare about Shiro's blades but just like castle lords who displayed the banners and weapons of vanquished enemies in their halls, I'd like to display my Shiro's and Forgotten weapons.

I'll get over it either way, but only Destroyer weapons seems a little "meh"

Mineria · Sep 04, 2007, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Zabe

Can you tell me ze perfect inscription to all weapons, oh, my dear master?

Yes I can, but instead I took it from wiki

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Perfect is a term used to describe a weapon or weapon upgrade that has the maximum bonuses available for its type.

For example, a Shield Handle of Fortitude providing a +30 health bonus would be considered perfect, while one providing +25 or +29 would not. If a player were to refer to their perfect weapon, it is generally implied it has:

* Maximum stats (e.g. +12 energy on a focus item, 15-22 damage on a sword)
* A maximum weapon modifier or inscription
* At least one maximum weapon upgrade
* A low attribute requirement (this isn't necessary to be perfect, however, some players insist a weapon have a requirement of 9 or lower)

While some are biased as to what weapon modifiers/upgrades are the best, none is superior in any given situation.

Another thing that bugs me, is all the space in the monument... I do not think that any of my characters needs a destroyer only weapon collection.
Another option is that Anet has planned to implement more "high-end" weapons... would be nice if they would clarify things a bit.

rancidgoat · Sep 04, 2007, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Extra storage? wtf? they gave us a lot of extra storage. If you have filled it up, sell some shit.

ROFL! This made me snort my pop out my nose. I love it when Malice gets all worked up.

Mordakai · Sep 04, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

The really bad thing about this is everyone is going to have the same unlocks in GW2, instead of giving different unlocks for different kinds of weapons besides Destroyers...

Darksun · Sep 04, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Draxanoth

Instead it's that destroyer crap. A burnt tree shield? WTH is that?

LOLOL!

Yeah, only allowing Destroyer items is really silly, especially when they look so boring. The thing is, they need to be able to have the weapons there, carry over to GW2. I think limiting it so much to 1 ugly set of weapons is a waste of time. If they could bring over more, why did they bother making it. It's just going to be a set of /bonus items that all look the same. I dunno... It would be alot of work to add all the weapons from all 3 games, but they could have at least made it the endgame items from Factions & Nightfall too..

Commander Ryker · Sep 04, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I feel that we should be able to put in any weapons we like. I don't like being forced to put just certain ones in. Destroyer weapons? What if they're all ugly or we just don't like them. While we're on the subject, I also hate the fact that we have to buy armor for our heroes in order to add them.

This hall of monuments is nothing I thought it was going to be.

Shadow Dragon · Sep 04, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

this thing about weapons being max with low req's while nice i actually use high req weapons. my maw shadow blade is use is actually req 11 and it works just as well as the next 15-22 15^50 20/20 +30 sword with whatever req you find. in my eyes that sword is the best and i believe it should be up to the player to add said weapon to his monument. just my 2c worth.

Achilles Antony · Sep 05, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

We should be able to put whatever weapons on the monument that we want there. For example, I used Victo's Battle Axe throughout Factions and Nightfall, and only recently retired it. However, it killed many enemies and deserves to be up on that pedestal.

The monument should be to weapons we as the player believe to be powerful, weapons we want to pay tribute to, not weapons that the devs want us to think are ultra powerful. To be honest, I don't like most of the destroyer weapon skins and really wouldn't want them in my HoM anyway. I think Anet needs to rethink this monument...

Inniss · Sep 05, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Disagree.

Greens are not High End, they were never intended to be either.

I'll explain why:

* All items have the same stats/req
* Most are easy to obtain:

* Farmable
* Easy to purchase/cheap

Agreed. My Blue collectors Insightful Air Staff of Mastery works just as well as any green. Better actually since last time I checked there weren't any Green Energy+5, Air+1 (20%) Staves.

Unless these weapons have something that actually make them "better" than every other weapon in GW, I fail to see why only the Destroyer Weapons can be added.

kazjun · Sep 05, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

My gold max zealous +30hp 15^50 prophs fellblade >>> lame destroyer sword
Especially since I've carted it around for about a year and a half. If I was passing weapons down to my descendants, it would be this, not some lame piece of magma that anyone can get from an armour crafter.

Keifru · Sep 05, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

My thing is, I'll only have one weapon sitting in valor. My destroyer scythe. Why would I get all the other destroyer weapons, when I'm a dervish? I mean, I COULD make destroyer wand/offhand for my obsidian tank; but why waste all that money when I need it for other things? ~_~

Yichi · Sep 05, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Personally, I think the Monument is flawed in its logic. A high end weapon can mean many things, such as end game weapons that you can get for beating th game as in the case of NF and Factions, can be hard to craft weapons such as the Tormented items ot Destroyer weapons, or could be extremely rare drops such as elemental swords or Runic Blades or Stygian Reavers.

There will NEVER be a perfect weapon. The perfect weapon, wether it be high end or not, will always be the weapon that best suits your build you are running, end of story. The better adaptation of the Monument of Valor would be to allow players to choose their favorite weapons to add from a list of known rare weapons such as crystalines, elemental swords, fellblades, stygian reavers, runic blades, Gloom shields, zodiac items, etc.

Dougal Kronik · Sep 05, 2007, 11:27 PM // 23:27

I hope they keep it as it is, makes the perfect gold sink for any who want to have their HoM completely filled.

Sucks out gold, onyx gemstones, and diamonds - pretty slick anet.

maraxusofk · Sep 06, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

I do not understand why people think that Greens are not high end but last time i checked the drop rate on greens is outragous compaired to these So called high end items worthy for the HOM and better yet why people think HOH items belong in the HOM (every single HOH item that drops can be farmed IN HARD MODE in Any area) for example People saying Cyrstilline from HOH how Bout Cyrstilline from UW HMMMMM sorry to burst you HA people out their but all those So called Elite Weapons From HOH i have and Have found in PVE. how in that defense can one say Greens are not worthy of Placement in HOM when Greens do not Drop From HOH.

But what really gets me is the Destroyer weapons are classified as high end but now we have people complaining about why they cant show torment weapons well I for one am glad you cant put up torment weapons they are a waste of $$ except for those EBAY people out their that think look at me i have 2 FOW armor Sets and Torment weapons love me admire me...sorry guys haveing FOW and Torment Weapons nowadays means 1 thing=mommy and daddy's credit card. Sorry bout my rant had to say what needed to be said.

Only Thing Anet needs to Add is A little increased storage i mean 1-5 slots would help anything would help
Releasing a New expanshion with new items and armor and other stuff but not giveing even 1 extra spot EVERYONE /CLAP for Anet on not being nice

this sounds like the call of troll-man!

honestly though uw/fow crystallines are NOT high end. not even close. what the high end are usually classified as are the items have a dynamic value. for example, a green will always have a certain set mod. however a gold can have a variety of mod (if we are talking about tyrian ones that is). u may get several golds in the time it takes to get a green, but how many of the golds will be low req and have a desirable mod compared to the same static green stats?

You may be able to find crystallines from uw/fow but are they gold? and since they are purple they can NEVER be 15>50, hence not high end.

ur 2nd paragraph looks like pure trolling. ppl who have fow all ebay? because u know buying and reselling items and making 20ectos on each trade and saving enough for a set of fow armor is impossible right? good luck dealing with that inferiority complex of hating on people with better items than you. its a game, if u dont like the fact that ppl wanna acquire high end items then gtfo and go play "stare at the sun". im sure ull win every time and nobody will out do u!

"I for one am glad you cant put up torment weapons they are a waste of $$ except for those EBAY people out their that think look at me i have 2 FOW armor Sets and Torment weapons love me admire me...sorry guys haveing FOW and Torment Weapons nowadays means 1 thing=mommy and daddy's credit card." <-----------LOL

ohh yeah make the hom so that i can put designated lists of weapons. i mean i would be happy if they allow me to put my tyrian 15>50 dwarven and crystalline sword up into the hom, but i cant expect anet to change it much as the system to decide what is allowed would be hard to implement so soon (wut req will be limit, wut skin?) either way they do it anet will piss some ppl off. with taht being said, ima try to get 11 destoeyr weapons to fill up that hom LOL. gogogo 110 onxy gems at trader plz!