Curse

Free Runner · Mar 18, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

Quote:

to free runner,

because every area now every pug is saying "ursan blessing lf 5 more ursan blesssings and 2 monks !!!!!!111" or "starting a vanquish team URSAN BLESSINGS ONLY !!!1!!" ect.

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshuarodger

you're forced to acquire the skill and grind the points because you can't PUG without it anymore. Go to DoA and see what kind of PUGs are there, all Ursan. and they want rank 8 or better. you can't get a decent team together anymore of just characters playing their normal profession. you have to be ursan if you want to join the group. your guildmates aren't always online or able to stop whatever it is they're doing to run an elite mission and you can't exactly H/H DoA, so you're forced into a PUG but if you don't have ursan blessing AND a decent norn rank, you can't even do that anymore.

Okay i get Monks point about Ursan being Overused.

I suppose we should nerf Ursan to hell and get back to the traditional "skill based balanced builds" you guys seem to like, that used to form in the elite areas.

LF Warriors,Eles and Monks for Balanced group!

Theo Godscythe · Mar 18, 2008, 03:49 PM // 15:49

It's so uterly pointless to continue dsicussing such and uterly pointless issue, ge tover ur ursan woes and do somethign better.

Trub · Mar 18, 2008, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Free Runner..
Ever since the 'bug fix' in DoA about a year ago...(Mallyx himself was dumbed down due to whiners.)
ANY profession can go into that elite area.
It is an ELITE area.
Your skills should be honed enough for a team to pick you up if your even just BEING there.

And please Theo...frickaline asked an honest question..don't litter with your trolling.

Coruskane · Mar 18, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

yes, international districts are where the more, well, refined players tend to hang out. Less rubbish than the localised districts and far less restrictive views.

To be honest, I don't really accept the huge power of ursan; it is inferior to many other combinations. Anyway, if they are only running ursan pugs then they probably aren;t the type of people you would like to run it with and there are enough other pugs around not to be too troublesome.

edit: one more briliant thing about IDs: Less smack-talk from little people.

Free Runner · Mar 18, 2008, 04:04 PM // 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trub

Free Runner..
Ever since the 'bug fix' in DoA about a year ago...
ANY profession can go into that elite area.
It is an ELITE area.
Your skills should be honed enough for a team to pick you up if your even just BEING there.

And please Theo...frickaline asked an honest question..don't litter with your trolling.

Its never mattered if a profession can go into an elite area or not. People run the next gimmick. Once Ursans gone the PuGs will pick up something new.

And Theo wasnt trolling he was just stating the truth. This has indeed been discussed to death.

Trub · Mar 18, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

Ok Free Runner.
I see your a debater.
I'll make one more point to you.
"Its never mattered if a profession can go into an elite area or not. People run the next gimmick. Once Ursans gone the PuGs will pick up something new."

At least those players are using the actual skills of their chosen profession, not a 1 skill fits all.

And frickaline...
I'm signing off on this thread because..as you can see, the kiddies are showing up...

MrTickle · Mar 18, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10

I've never used Ursan apart from the the quest where you have to. If others want to use it so be it.

Free Runner · Mar 18, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trub

Ok Free Runner.
I see your a debater.
I'll make one more point to you.
"Its never mattered if a profession can go into an elite area or not. People run the next gimmick. Once Ursans gone the PuGs will pick up something new."

At least those players are using the actual skills of their chosen profession, not a 1 skill fits all.

And frickaline...
I'm signing off on this thread because..as you can see, the kiddies are showing up...

A warrior who stands using a single skill while the Eles who are at least an agro bubble behind him spam skills 1,2,3 until everything in the area is dead. Its all the same to me although of course what i just said requires a little more thought than the current "Ursanway". But thats all the elite areas would use up to someone finding out about Ursans power there.

And like i said once Ursan is nerfed to the point it no longer is viable in Ursanway (Doing something along the lines of what Numa said possibly) the PuGs will move onto that "new easy way of doing things" and the complaints will begin again that Mesmers,Paragons and Sins are being thrown aside.

Ursan is not a savior and nor is it ruining my game. People can run whatever the hell they like and i wouldnt care. I'm not forced to run it because if i want to run a normal team i'll form my own with a no ursan rule

.

Also lol at the Kiddie Comment

Manos Lijeros · Mar 18, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by frickaline

To those of you that are running balanced (which seems to be everyone in the thread), where the heck are you?

How is it everyone here "really only runs balanced" when its clear from the town spam that everyone is running/looking for ursan?

There seems to be a disconnect here ...

To see what it was all about, I went with an ursan group to the Deep (HM). We finished in about 60 minutes, and the monks stated they never ran out of energy.

While I did not have ursan on the bar, I found it humorous that everyone was proud of the accomplishment. While ursan is efficient and works well (some say too well), the bar takes very little skill to play.

I do not use ursan and will not for reasons already stated on this thread:

1. Little skill;
2. Attitude of some of those who use it is "either use it or your not effective;"
3. removes any elite missions from game (now all "elite" missions are able to be run by anyone with the ursan skill--and it doesn't take r9 either);
4. simply not fun for me to play; and
5. ruining the economy due to significant flooding of rare items on the market.

The attitude of some of those that run ursan when they seem to indicate that you are ineffective without the ursan skill is jsut a re-hash of the lightbringer's gaze issue when everyone was spamming, "GLFM LBG r6+ only" ...

It doesn't ruin the game for me, I find people who don't use ursan, and I play with them. We do HM, we do DoA, we do other elite missions and enjoy our variety.

I am confused because any other similar build that was so effective would have been nerfed by Anet by now. I wonder what the delay is...

Again, my concerns are that Anet is straying far from their stated purpose:

1. The unique skill system in Guild Wars encourages infinite experimentation but doesn't allow early choices to limit a character;

2. With hundreds of unique skills per character, which can be combined for any number of effects, the possibilities are mind-boggling; and

3. The most important choices you must make for your new character are first a primary profession, and soon thereafter a secondary profession. These choices determine not only armor, skills, and fighting style, but your overall gameplay experience. Hairstyle and facial features are, of course, crucial as well.

Yet, your primary class, your secondary class, and the skills you know have acquired are irrelevant since you now have ursan. This seems to contradict what Anet has been telling us all along about variety and options in Guild Wars.

So, if it bothers you, don't use it. Many of us don't use the skill (for whatever reason). If others using it bothers you, write anet. I doubt they have received many well written letters describing why the skill may be "ruining" the game for many users. Or, perhaps, they are hoping everyone will move to GW2...

I'm just confused at Anet's direction, but I am continuing to have fun--by playing the way I like to play.

Stockholm · Mar 18, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshuarodger

you're forced to acquire the skill and grind the points because you can't PUG without it anymore. Go to DoA and see what kind of PUGs are there, all Ursan. and they want rank 8 or better. you can't get a decent team together anymore of just characters playing their normal profession. you have to be ursan if you want to join the group. your guildmates aren't always online or able to stop whatever it is they're doing to run an elite mission and you can't exactly H/H DoA, so you're forced into a PUG but if you don't have ursan blessing AND a decent norn rank, you can't even do that anymore.

So you want Ursan gone and force people to play your way?
Seams kind of selfish.

weretoad · Mar 18, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

i fully support a nerf of it. the reason i played and still play to to find brand new build, those new discovery keep me addicted. however i can see hordes of player flaming when they do nerf ursan. a think a-net is nerves about nerfing because they will get even move flame mail to unnerf it.

if they don't nerf it will make an ursan strike and get enough followers to shun ursan. it seems every time i tell not to use ursan they go "well your a real noob"

Nadasee · Mar 18, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manos Lijeros

To see what it was all about, I went with an ursan group to the Deep (HM). We finished in about 60 minutes, and the monks stated they never ran out of energy.

While I did not have ursan on the bar, I found it humorous that everyone was proud of the accomplishment. While ursan is efficient and works well (some say too well), the bar takes very little skill to play.

I do not use ursan and will not for reasons already stated on this thread:

1. Little skill;
2. Attitude of some of those who use it is "either use it or your not effective;"
3. removes any elite missions from game (now all "elite" missions are able to be run by anyone with the ursan skill--and it doesn't take r9 either);
4. simply not fun for me to play; and
5. ruining the economy due to significant flooding of rare items on the market.

The attitude of some of those that run ursan when they seem to indicate that you are ineffective without the ursan skill is jsut a re-hash of the lightbringer's gaze issue when everyone was spamming, "GLFM LBG r6+ only" ...

It doesn't ruin the game for me, I find people who don't use ursan, and I play with them. We do HM, we do DoA, we do other elite missions and enjoy our variety.

I am confused because any other similar build that was so effective would have been nerfed by Anet by now. I wonder what the delay is...

Again, my concerns are that Anet is straying far from their stated purpose:

1. The unique skill system in Guild Wars encourages infinite experimentation but doesn't allow early choices to limit a character;

2. With hundreds of unique skills per character, which can be combined for any number of effects, the possibilities are mind-boggling; and

3. The most important choices you must make for your new character are first a primary profession, and soon thereafter a secondary profession. These choices determine not only armor, skills, and fighting style, but your overall gameplay experience. Hairstyle and facial features are, of course, crucial as well.

Yet, your primary class, your secondary class, and the skills you know have acquired are irrelevant since you now have ursan. This seems to contradict what Anet has been telling us all along about variety and options in Guild Wars.

So, if it bothers you, don't use it. Many of us don't use the skill (for whatever reason). If others using it bothers you, write anet. I doubt they have received many well written letters describing why the skill may be "ruining" the game for many users. Or, perhaps, they are hoping everyone will move to GW2...

I'm just confused at Anet's direction, but I am continuing to have fun--by playing the way I like to play.

Now on this i agree 100%! Well spoken!
If it bothers you, just don't use it! Show your opinion!

healermann · Mar 18, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

hello all,

I dont normally post on here, i usually just this site for auctions but i do read your forums. I would like to place my opinion on UB.

Firstly i would like to say i dont hate the skill and i dont like the skill. I have a few opinions on this and will share them.

Advantages

Well yes it does have advantages some players are not skilled enough to play balanced teams, or cant get the builds working for them

secondly some people prefer to just have quick farms to gain gold and items quickly ( no one ever moans about hearing SS looking 55hp, 600hp looking for smiter, or even trapper looking for trapper group) those are over builds constantly used.

Thirdly it is a skill that will be nerfed at a some point so let uses use it without moaning, who here cant say they never joined the HOS runs that used the barrels at the end.

Dis advantages

Constant moaning about UB (get over it its here till they nerf it)

The only thing people want to play as( well let them, find guilds that dont use them etc)

A cheap way to farm (well it is really a bit like people buying gold cheating cos it is a bug in the game really)

Ok in conclusion i would like to write that people should understand firstly it is only a game not your real life, enjoy the game in any way you can, if people annoy you in what they write then just ignore it. There is enough people in this forum that dnt like it so join with them in balanced games. I dont mind if you shout abuse at me i can understand it some people get annoyed with other peoples comments.

Well all i hope you just enjoy the game as much as i do

Regards

Stephan

Mr. Undisclosed · Mar 18, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Oh boy another ursan hate thread.

I don't use it, I don't care who uses it. Don't say there aren't any balanced groups when probably around 75% of the community still uses these "trinity" groups. You may not like that certain groups are only looking for ursans but how do you think the professions people don't generally accept into groups feel when they can freely get a group at any time? Weather you like it or not there will always be profession descrimination in gw, learn to get over it.

SilverSlave · Mar 18, 2008, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Personally I think A-Net mis-stepped with the concept of PvE only skills. They essentially made these skills PvE only in order to deliberately overpower them without concern for PvP balance. I guess they did this so they could make a challenging PvE progression from the previous campaigns but all they needed to do was get creative rather than thinking harder = interesting.

In a game where class synergy is integral (and fun), skills that are cross class and/or overpowered are counter to the original Guild Wars concept. In my opinion it's such a shame.

Mr. Undisclosed · Mar 18, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Would also like to point out how ursan appeals to the casual gamer who has other things to do besides spend extra hours doing doa when they can steamroll through. Casual Gamer>Ursan QQers

Dunno why you people complain soo much. Theres lots of balanced groups for all you trintiy lovers out there and lots of "odd" profession groups using ursan, I personally don't see a problem.

Richardt · Mar 18, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by frickaline

To those of you that are running balanced (which seems to be everyone in the thread), where the heck are you?

How is it everyone here "really only runs balanced" when its clear from the town spam that everyone is running/looking for ursan?

There seems to be a disconnect here ...

I hide out on my alliance's Vent XD

Stockholm · Mar 18, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sergeant Miyagi

Dunno why you people complain soo much. Theres lots of balanced groups for all you trintiy lovers out there and lots of "odd" profession groups using ursan, I personally don't see a problem.

They complain because they think Ursan is ruining the economy, the crap about not getting in to any non-Ursan pug's is just a poor excuse.
It's all about the GOLD

Mr. Undisclosed · Mar 18, 2008, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Making rare items available to the casual gamer, man ursans a bitch

Stockholm · Mar 18, 2008, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sergeant Miyagi

Making rare items available to the casual gamer, man ursans a bitch

Even worse, they don't make XXX amount off ectos from it