Curse

Danax · May 11, 2009, 11:33 AM // 11:33

Hi, me (Ranger) and a friend (Dervish) are using 2 man discord team (http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...Man_Discordway) to vanquish morostov trail for kurzick faction. We both use assasins promise, you move like a dwarf, and ebon sin to call and quickly strike down enemies. The heroes use the exact builds in the link. We even use a essence of celerity. But we cant seem to beat 40 minutes per vanquish for that area even with our killing speed! Are we doing something wrong? We seem to take an okay path, but we're not sure of the best one

Killed u man · May 11, 2009, 01:38 PM // 13:38

I think discord is rather slow... When you see people post these "fast" time, I think they use a 8 man party with specialized builds.

As in, have SF tanks and RoJ take on different parts of the map at the same time (Kinda like Underworld Speed clear).

Hence, with H/H, you will often take up to twice as long, because U can't split and do everything 3x as fast...

Hengis · May 11, 2009, 02:40 PM // 14:40

I've been doing Discord runs on the other side of the map in Qunkai, and found that going necro secondary on my Ranger with Mark of Pain and Barbs with 12 curses makes for some rather nice screen fulls of damage numbers and tends to drop things pretty quickly.

Also have Barrage, Ebon Vanguard Assassin, Summon Ruby Djinn, By Urals Hammer and a Pet.

Only just over a million Luxon to go.. Then I'll probably be looking for a Kurzick Guild LOL.

Rajabonedancer · May 11, 2009, 03:10 PM // 15:10

DiscordWay = Good build, but the run is SLOW!

Ariena Najea · May 11, 2009, 05:11 PM // 17:11

I'm assuming the Discord team you are referring to is the PvX one found here:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam

If this is the case, you should make several adjustments. For one thing, the hero setup is not meant to be "doubled" by another player. You can significantly increase the utility (and offensive power) by further specializing each hero. I'd suggest running the following:

[Discord (PvE)][Animate Bone Minions][Putrid Bile][Death Nova][Aegis (PvE)][Protective Spirit][Dwayna's Sorrow][Cure Hex]
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Bone Minions][Putrid Bile][Death Nova][Aegis (PvE)][Extinguish][Spotless Mind][Cure Hex]
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Shambling Horror][Putrid Bile][Barbs][Mark of Pain][Weaken Armor][Defile Flesh][Flesh of My Flesh (PvE)
[Discord (PvE)][Animate Shambling Horror][Putrid Bile][Shadow of Fear][Enfeebling Blood][Recovery][Protective was Kaolai][Flesh of My Flesh (PvE)
[Discord (PvE)][Protective Was Kaolai][Weapon of Warding (PvE)][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Life][Recuperation][Rip Enchantment]
[Discord (PvE)][Protective Was Kaolai][Weapon of Shadow][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Recovery][Recuperation][Rip Enchantment]

It has worked wonders for me in the 8 man areas, with one of the players zoning out even.

alluring athena · May 11, 2009, 05:33 PM // 17:33

Discordway is not all that and a bag of chips like so many claim it is

In most places its extremely effective.

However there are many areas and places where its slow going or even doesn't work at all

zwei2stein · May 12, 2009, 06:30 AM // 06:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danax

Hi, me (Ranger) and a friend (Dervish) are using 2 man discord team (http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...Man_Discordway) to vanquish morostov trail for kurzick faction. We both use assasins promise, you move like a dwarf, and ebon sin to call and quickly strike down enemies. The heroes use the exact builds in the link. We even use a essence of celerity. But we cant seem to beat 40 minutes per vanquish for that area even with our killing speed! Are we doing something wrong? We seem to take an okay path, but we're not sure of the best one

You are using slow-mo version of discordway. Ditch all the two seccond cast spells. Ditch fiends. Ditch silly stuff like recovery. Ditch convert hexes. Ditch Rotting Flesh.

You probably even want to get rid of one or two necroes.

Longasc · May 12, 2009, 06:57 AM // 06:57

You should take a Curse Necro with Mark of Pain along. Rangers and Ranger heroes with 10 in Channeling for Splinter Weapon will also speed things up, especially in Morostov with lots of foes.

Danax · May 12, 2009, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Okay, Im thinking that this could be the setup:

Me: R/Rt Splinter Barrage
[Me;OggkchZcoIq0iBGjqxuoN5bZxxFD]

Friend: D/A Assasins Promise Dervish for Discord
[Friend;OAcR4ZaBymcXMmEAAAAAAAA]

Heroes:
2 R/Rt Splinter Barrage (Undediced whether to take Favourable Winds)
[Rangers;OggkchZcoIqziBjhdeMqGvZx5iB]

1 SS Necro w/ mark of pain/barbs
[Curses;OAhkYgHcoIqTewSI0KDVVvJGL5C]

The 3 remaining heroes...Im not sure how to balance both heals and damage/minions.

I know maybe:
[necro 1;OAhjUoGYIPxsjaGbYO5kmjzLG]

[necro 2;OAhkUwG4RFmTM7oaHQEDTpJ1+iB]
Swapping out recovery/shadow of fear...

[necro 3;OANUUYD2qXSxMKgVBoB1DBEGNTfA]

But, I'd like each discord necro to maybe have putrid pile, signet of lost souls if possible

zwei2stein · May 12, 2009, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Favorable winds will slow you down, heroes will cast em at beginning of encounter instead of barraging group.

Since you have 4 physicals (derv not meeleing is waste!) you will also gain some mileage from orders.

you can move enfeebling blood from necro 2 to ss (ancestor's rage is armor affected, waste in hm.) and try how OoP fares instead of discording.

Luminarus · May 13, 2009, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Drop the SS for another Discorder, mebbe give him orders. Drop the Splinter Barrages for more discord. And go BHA + Splinter Volley on urself. Once running discordway, more discord only adds power.

zwei2stein · May 13, 2009, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

Drop the SS for another Discorder, mebbe give him orders. Drop the Splinter Barrages for more discord. And go BHA + Splinter Volley on urself. Once running discordway, more discord only adds power.

Umm, "lolno"

4 discords is max anyone should be running, more discord is totally pointless and redundant.

Longasc · May 13, 2009, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Instead of FW, you can take Throw Dirt. I never tried Ancestor's Rage, I would have picked Whirling Defense. But I am usually running high Expertise and play the Curse Necro myself. This has the advantage that the Rangers actually shoot on Mark of Pain when its placed.

I personally do not like Discord builds, people already mentioned it, they work reliably almost everywhere, but this does not mean that they are optimal in any area.

As you might have guessed, I am all about a Curse Necro, a MM and Rangers.

Snow Bunny · May 13, 2009, 07:27 AM // 07:27

Make sure you have Finish Him. The Deep Wound will help.

cataphract · May 13, 2009, 12:40 PM // 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danax

We seem to take an okay path, but we're not sure of the best one

I suggest starting from Unwaking Waters. Two players with 6 necro heroes can vanquish that map in 36 minutes or less. Even with killing Luxons at the shrines.

Could you post the path you're taking?

EDIT:

Here's the approximate path my friends and I used to take when vanquishing Morostav. Bosses have been numbered in the order of slaying.

Dark Paladin X · May 16, 2009, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Discord= epic fail

If you want to wipe things quickly, I suggest bringing a MM, some nuker, and two Unyielding Aura monks

dr love · May 22, 2009, 09:11 PM // 21:11

naw discord is pro. dont bring anything over 1s cast except summon minions. bring fallback and maybe charge to speed boost

Coney · May 24, 2009, 12:09 AM // 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbulger

naw discord is pro. dont bring anything over 1s cast except summon minions. bring fallback and maybe charge to speed boost

I've been doing H/H Melandru's Hope, and taking the luxon quest outside Lutgardis to give ~200 enemies total vanq.

I find my ranger does it about 5 minutes faster than my warrior, and more reliably too for some reason. I get almost exactly 5 kills per minute, and don't use consumables (I do eat cupcakes, as I have them and haven't maxed sweet title yet), but I bring clovers as I have them and don't mind occasional lucky points...

~ 40 minutes for 18-20k faction (80k turnin). Not stellar, but pretty bulletproof. I bring prot/heal/dom/cult hench, and the following builds:
[build=OgATcVMmZyW8xIXcxo44SUuUAAA]
[build=OANDUslfSxMVBHVoBKg1DBEVVA]
[build=OAhkUoGYoKiTMDjlxkmDzxZVN5C]
[build=OAhkUwG4hGKUMjdglQZwnQlQCYVF]
Limiting factor is run speed, so thinking of modifying the curse hero to use para ["Fall Back!"] ["Incoming!"]...

Vires Invictae · May 24, 2009, 04:53 AM // 04:53

Discordway works well for morostav vanquishing as there's very few enemies there with hex/condition removal. Discordway isn't an end-all answer to everything, it just works rediculously well in most areas because of bad monster bars.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4237/gw098u.jpg

A friend and I, both mesmers, average 24 minutes using an essence and practically pvxwiki's hero builds. On my solo runs with just me and 6 discord heroes and an essence, it is about 27 minutes per run. Haven't tried it without essence yet because I have a lot of money to burn, and I don't believe my route is 100% optimal yet.

Its only slightly slower faction gain than DTSC, but it avoids the troubles that come with pugging. I'm fine with that.

Coney · May 25, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22

The thing I find (or assume is) appealing about the 3 team split SC farms is that groups consist of 2 or 3 players, thus the drops are much better...

I'm hard pressed to waste an essence per run just to drop my 20k (80k) faction farm times from 40 to ~30 minutes H/H... I guess it's not really that expensive, and I should - but I've horded 25 essences and like a miser, hate to use them on anything other than last-ditch efforts (e.g. EotN dungeons when I keep dieing - still have 5 to complete for max EotN title - sans slavers HM[won't need])...