Curse

gestalt · Nov 17, 2006, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by The Leviathan

Simple my friend, a mate and I hero'd/henched it today. We took two healer henches, two fire eles, one ranger (Myself), one dervish (him), an SV/Mes hero (SV and empathy are the only important skills, set the rest to degen or interrupt or something), and I can't remember the last spot but it was someone who attacked from range... Anyways...

Get to Shiro and the Lich, pull the Lich and take him out easily. Now get the henchmen out of the agro bubble, and let the meleer (In this case my dervish friend) take all the hits from shiro. The monks will be protting him, your job is to control the SV and inflict damage from afar. When Shiro hits impossible odds make sure your melee has enough skills to stay alive, because that is the only person Shiro will go for. Control your nec hero and make sure he is spamming SV and empathy (Disable the rest of his skills if need be). Between the monks healing the meleer and the self heal, the meleer will stay alive. SV and empathy will allow him to self sac, and between the damage you and the henchies are inflicting Shiro will go down fairly quick.

Oh, also, make sure your henchies are attacking but are OUT of the agro bubble. If they are out, then all your monks need to do is focus on the one that shiro is attacking. Rangers, bring longbows. Long ranged weapons are ideal. Don't use any short ranged attacks.

If Shiro manages to shadow step to someone other than the meleer then he will have access to all of your main damage dealers and your monks, and well... once he hits IO let's just say it's a pretty quick wipe.

If that should happen, pull out, rez, re-aggro him, and then begin again.

This is essentially exactly how I did it. I didn't go into this detail about tactics previously as I didn't want to write an entire walkthrough. But essentially my process was the following:

-Me as dervish with Avatar of Balth, go in and quickly kill lich with holy damage attacks.
-When he was dead run away until Shiro disengages.
-Place my tank (Zenmai) at the archway entrance.
-have myself stand directly over zenmai and place hench/hero flag slightly outside of aggro circle.
-equip my pulling bow
-pull shiro up to zenmai.
- I sat back and let her whack on him and the rest do their job from afar, while I watch what goes on.
- Make small corrections, tactical withdrawal, extra pulling in case of disengaging. etc

He may have stuck on my tank nicely because Zenami she was a crit defense tank and was actually pumping out a lot of damage in addition to the 75% evasion and 2 stance knockers. Not sure on that. He did Shadow Step to my bakckline quite alot but he would run back almost immediately. I think this was mostly due to how far I had him overextended and the fact that my casters would usually try to kite and then he would just try to run back down the hill since he rarely got hit but then Zenmai would whack him or I would hit him with an arrow and he would come back and zenmai would start tanking him again. Once Riposting Shadows was no longer used and the IO phase started he was glues to Zenmai and everyone else was outside the aggro circle including myself adn all I had to do was wait and watch life bars to make sure we coudl recover if somethign crazy happened.

broodijzer · Nov 18, 2006, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by justadude

When I beat Shiro we had a Poison Arrow Ranger, a MM with no minions at the time and a Jagged Strike Assassin. No SV or Mesmer. I had gone often with Sv and all kinds of monks before, trying every strategy posted in the forums. Now I am going to say it was the Assassin with Jagged Strike who somehow kept IO from crushing us, because I have no idea what Jagged Strike does.

see? It isn't about the skills you use, it's about how you use them. that's GW, and the difference with other rpg's

wassup1444465 · Nov 19, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

If Shiro were this hard but the length of the preceeding components of the mission were about half, people wouldn't be complaining so much. It's one of those missions where 25-30 minutes of progress can be wiped in 25-30 seconds. I did it with heros on my derv, but I don't have a clue how I can get it done with heros on my monk. The problem with real people is that if someone quits the group, the way groups are formed nowadays means that you are always losing something crucial, whether it be an SV or a Bflash, or even another monk.

Antheus · Nov 19, 2006, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by wassup1444465

If Shiro were this hard but the length of the preceeding components of the mission were about half, people wouldn't be complaining so much. It's one of those missions where 25-30 minutes of progress can be wiped in 25-30 seconds. I did it with heros on my derv, but I don't have a clue how I can get it done with heros on my monk. The problem with real people is that if someone quits the group, the way groups are formed nowadays means that you are always losing something crucial, whether it be an SV or a Bflash, or even another monk.

Monk is by far the easiest class to PUG. Since they are somewhat special, they get the say. I can't remember one time when a monk would get kicked.

The team build isn't that essential. Just make sure you ask the other monk their build and make sure you have the essentials. Aegis, LoD, GL, prot spirit, SoA, heal party?, condition removal, don't need hex removal. But above all, go mostly prot.

And before going after shiro, simply explain how it works. It also helps to join/start a masters group.

fenix · Nov 19, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

bah stop complaining, I did this mission with a friend and 6 heroes/hench. We had 1 death (Shiro'ken spiked the necro hero). It isn't a hard mission at all, if you bring even 1 skill that is anti-melee.

Jeremy Untouchable · Nov 19, 2006, 04:58 AM // 04:58

ok, beat it with heros and henches, ranger hero was lvl 13, it took 4 hours, i kept flagging henches away from the gate, for a about an hour, they used prot skills on me and finally got shiro to stick on me, with bonettis and SOA, Prot spirit, So took me a week and lots of madness but finally beat it

TechnoSword · Nov 19, 2006, 06:29 AM // 06:29

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Originally Posted by jeremy untouchable

ok, beat it with heros and henches, ranger hero was lvl 13, it took 4 hours, i kept flagging henches away from the gate, for a about an hour, they used prot skills on me and finally got shiro to stick on me, with bonettis and SOA, Prot spirit, So took me a week and lots of madness but finally beat it

4 hours?!?!? the most it should ever take a person is 30 minutes. you should have used a necro with ss or sv. people say you dont need it, but it still helps alot.

daky · Nov 19, 2006, 07:42 AM // 07:42

I got lucky and just completed this mission...finally. So hard to find a team as a dervish. We had three monk hero's, three wars, a ranger and me (a dervish). Completed mission/bonus with not one death

I'm still in shock.

P.S. Just found out two of the tanks carried protectors defense. Seemed to help a ton.

speedy65 · Nov 19, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by daky

I got lucky and just completed this mission...finally. So hard to find a team as a dervish. We had three monk hero's, three wars, a ranger and me (a dervish). Completed mission/bonus with not one death

I'm still in shock.

P.S. Just found out two of the tanks carried protectors defense. Seemed to help a ton.

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Tips for Defeating Shiro!!!!!!!!!!
After getting so far through the missions it is important to be able to take out Shiro and stay alive while you do it. His skills are the same as the final mission in Factions, minus Meditation of the Reaper and Echoing Banishment.

Elemental and physical damage are not enough -- hexes and conditions are the key to killing Shiro quickly, as well as stance ending skills to remove Battle Scars to stop him from healing.
Use stance ending skills, such as Wild Blow and Wild Throw immediately, to remove Battle Scars. This skill is extremely dangerous in conjunction with Impossible Odds, in addition to healing Shiro at your expense.
Anti-melee hexes, such as Empathy, Insidious Parasite, Spiteful Spirit, and especially Spoil Victor, are very useful and will do tremendous damage to Shiro when he uses Impossible Odds, but keep in mind that Impossible Odds will remove a hex, so a cover hex is a must.
Conditions, such as blindness, are good but Impossible Odds allows him to spread these back onto your team. Use these with caution.
Stay clear and spread out when Shiro is low on health, because this is when he uses Impossible Odds. This does a lot of area-of-effect damage in a very short time, and can easily wipe out the party. Skills like "Watch Yourself!", Aria of Restoration, and Aegis are useful here.
A good thing might be taking an Earth ele warder with KD skills. Ward Against Melee and Ward Against Foes (this will slow down Shiro while capturing the shrines). And skills like Unsteady Ground can keep Shiro knocked down for some time that may be vital.
Impossible Odds can be interrupted but it is difficult to do so. Heroes and henchmen have a better chance than a human.
Skills which disable Shiro's skills, such as Blackout, do not work. Shiro's skills will recharge after 1 second which might imply that his skills recharge about 400% faster than normal.

Superdarth · Nov 19, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Why is it that i always take exactly the class that is not wanted?

Im stuck here to,i cant hench it, i cant find a group..

Nobody wants a dervish like me, theres to many of them, its been 2 weeks since i got stuck and i cant do a damn thing about it, its killing me!

I so want to do this mission, kill shiro, strangle the lich, and get on with it, i am REALY enjoying nightfall and i am very sad that i am once again stuck and unable to complete this wonderful expansion.

I dont have a guild so i cant cal on them, i dont have any friends either, not one. (yeah, im a loner

) So i dont know what to do.

Is there anything i can do to increase the odds of finding a group?

African War Lord · Nov 19, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

hey man try this. I just finally beat it today with hero's and henchies.

what I did was ran straight to the avatar of melandru, killed the group there. Lich and shiro came up the stairs, I spread my hero's out with flags and started attacking shiro since the lich went back down for whatever reason.
Once shiro started attacking me it was pretty straight forward. I cast mirage cloak as soon as it where's off and used only wild blow for attacks to save energy. Once he was dead, the lich was effortless.

I even forgot to reset the skills I disabled before fighting shiro as you can see in the picture but it didn't seem to matter.

Mad5cout · Nov 19, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

I also got to the end with heroes and henchies with nothing left to do but kill Shiro and died. I killed the Lich (that's L I C H, people) straight off and then activated the shrines. Shiro does nothing when he's not hurt. Got all the shrines activated (which degen and eventually turn off, btw). Then laid into him. It was fine until he started using impossible odds. Lamest excuse for a skill ever in the history of GW. I know people got through this mission with heroes and henchies but this mission literally makes me not want to play this game now.

I have gone 8 times, twice with henchies and heroes, once with a friend and heroes, and 5 times with humans. To be honest, the human groups never make it past the first 6 aggros because they don't know how to focus fire. They also don't understand that the monk spells are healing for 15% less and therefore monks are casting more and therefore need more time to regen after each group.

People are stupid and I loath the fact that because I did not buy Factions so that I could cap like two skills for my necro that I can't beat this mission. Thought all of these were stand alone? Why should I need a Factions elite to beat NF?

BTW I heard an assassin talking about how mirrored stance and some other assassin skill (probably one that takes stances off wastes him). Yet another factions thing that I apparently need in order to beat this mission.

LAME.

Sir Mad · Nov 20, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Yet another factions thing that I apparently need in order to beat this mission.

LAME.

A mission requireing a spefific build to beat is not lame, sorry, especially when even if you don't own factions you can unlock the skill from any priest of balthazar. I understand that failing repetively may be boring, but then the problem may come from you, not from the mission. Analyze where the problem comes from, and change your build accordingly, that's it.

MaglorD · Nov 20, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38

OK, my final verdict on this mission is that it's challenging but easy

I did again with heroes/henchies just for the fun without SV, spoil victor and other boutique skills.

I killed Shiro at his home ground in the square at the centre of the various shrines without any blessings. I did not have to use flagging either. And it wasn't done using an exploit.

EmptySpiral1283 · Nov 20, 2006, 06:06 AM // 06:06

I agree with what has been said.Nightfall has been a pushover until now.It was painfully easy to hench every mission, and most quests, and get masters on every mission.Until this one.I like that it finally got challenging.I have yet to beat it.It is very hard to find a group as a dervish, let alone one where people focus fire and know to not aggro every enemy on the effin map.I don't have the SV skill for my necro heroes, nor do I have the means to cap it atm.I do have wild blow, and many prot skills for my hero monk.I have been trying to hero/hench it.Not one of us dies until Shiro.Lich is easy...The rest of this mission is a pushover if I take it slow, and dont over aggro!

I can't seem to figure out how to beat Shiro yet, but I get closer every time I try, and tweak my skills/hero skills.The first 2 days I was stuck here I did it over and over and got so pissed I just made it worse every time I tried.I find if I take a break and do a few quests, do r/l stuff, or work on another char, that when I go back calm I get closer :-) Don't let the mission get you so pissed that you figure the game is cheating!This entire game has been way easy.It was bound to have at least one rough spot, lol.

BTW I am still on it, if anyone wants to give it a go, hit me sometime on gw, IGN: Marok Rinta. But please, if you wanna give it a shot, none of that whiney business if we fail :-P Even if I beat it I would be happy to help someone :-)

irene n jerome · Nov 20, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10

hey guys im new here on guru so hello ! sorry if my english sucks !but i have a build that need to post so bad . has kind of a sentimental meaning to me so heres the build:

irene n jerome

this build is used to dual kill shiro tagachi on gates of madness

irene (necro/monk)
blood magic16
portection prayer12
soul reaping 3
skills:
protective spirit
reversal of fortune
rebirth
barbed signet
blood ritual
unholy feast
shield of absorption
spoil victor (elite)
irene doesnt have to be a monk this is just what im comfortable using i used protect so he can support jerome . if ur gonna use a hero necro set him to defend and put him in a spot real close to where ur gonna pull shiro!

jerome(assassin/monk) i prefer sin cuz he can do dmg while wearing normal armor. a monk can also be used too!

skills:
12 healing prayers
11 protection prayes
10 dagger mastery

equipment:
full armor (u need to survive ti get to shiro)
55 armor (pieces w all sup runes on it)for swapping

totem axe and -50 hp offhand
any daggers of enchantingor zealous of enchanting
longbow for pulling

skills:
protective spirit 1
healing breeze 2
healing hands(elite) 3
mending 4
balthazars spirit 5
essence bond 6
live vicariously 7
vigorous spirit 8

heres how it works:
tell the other 6 ppl to stay away from irene and jerome
tell them to not attck shiro just stay away like a couple of circles away from irene n jerome

put on ur 55 armor
cast skills 4-7
tell necro to put blodd ritual on YOU
pull shiro only once u see him start moving go back close to irene
note(shiros agro for sum reason is much bigger than lich so u can easlily pull him alone never agro lich cuz he can remove ur enchants
cast and maintain heal breeze protective spirit and attck shiro
tell necro to spam spoil victor on him
try not to use protective spirit @ the same time when shiro uses riposting shadows cuz it can interrupt you! when shiros hp is right about half like real close to when hes about to use impossible odds cast vigorous spirit cuz he really attcks so fast its like 15 mountain trolls attakcking @ same time while hes using impossible odds!just stay alive and let the necro do the damaging!
always spm spoil victor on him while hes really low on hp u will see him drop so fast!

ok now collect ur money from 6 other ppl and tell them ur all gonna kill lich now !! do not forget to put on ur full hp armor!!!

ps sorry if my english is not that good im south east asian! i would be honored if u call this build irene n jerome u can post this build on guildwiki as long as u name it irene n jerome if u need me to show u how it works pm me when im online and take me to shiro and ill kill him for u off course i accept tips platinum will really make me happy ! Im not sure if this is the right place for me to post these build so pls help me put these on the right path thank you very much i apreciate you all!
counters: riposting shadows -time ur spells w this skill!

ilovecp · Nov 20, 2006, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Sir Mad

especially when even if you don't own factions you can unlock the skill from any priest of balthazar.

That's not really true.

Superdarth · Nov 20, 2006, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by Mad5cout

BTW I heard an assassin talking about how mirrored stance and some other assassin skill (probably one that takes stances off wastes him). Yet another factions thing that I apparently need in order to beat this mission.

LAME.

THATS IT!Mirrored stance!

Mirrored stance is a skill that gives you the same stance as youre opponent!That would own.

MaglorD · Nov 20, 2006, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by Superdarth

THATS IT!Mirrored stance!

Mirrored stance is a skill that gives you the same stance as youre opponent!That would own.

Won't work. Read the description of Shiro's skills again.

ilovecp · Nov 20, 2006, 09:00 AM // 09:00

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Originally Posted by Superdarth

THATS IT!Mirrored stance!

Mirrored stance is a skill that gives you the same stance as youre opponent!That would own.

According the gwwiki it doesn't work on monster skills...