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Sticky · Nov 04, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Im having some serious problems with this mission too

Ive even tried a few times with some fantastic all player teams but i just cant seem to finish this mission

very fustrating to get so far in a game to hit a wall. Think ill be breaking from the game for a few days (or at least this mission) and try again with a fresh head

Arwen Granger · Nov 04, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

I went with a team of all human players and i was rit.
shadowsong, pain, bloodsong, dissonance, rt lord, boon of creation, spirit's gift, and displacement, pwned shiro in 5 minutes.
Kill the lich first and pull shiro up the stairs worked well.

ReikoNagase · Nov 04, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

I was Stucked there 1 day too. I checked guildwiki and it recommend me Spoil Victor. But it is really hard to find a blood necro in that mission. So, i ended up change my SS to Spoil Victor. Guess what, Spoil Victor is damn useful in this mission especially all mobs are lvl28. The fast recharge time and low mana from Spoil Victor allow me to cast it on every mobs and drop their HP till 300 and make it easy to kill every mob on the map.

For bosses, i think of killing lich first but unfortunately he dont run out to us but shiro did. So, the Rt in my team cast as many as spirit to block his way back. Guess what, we are fighting in only 5 human players and 2 hero. 1 Dervish disconnected before we start the 5 portal parts.

This is how it works. SHiro will fighting on spirit and warrior. I cast SPoil VIctor on him. WHat i saw on my screen is -105 -105 -105 -105 -105 -105 -105 -105. Hahah, we end up killing him within 3 minutes. I must say this. If you really stuck there, get a Spoil VIctor and Rt lord into your team, you dont even need a full human team to fight him.

one more thing to note is......... at 1/20 of shiro HP, the Spoil Victor still triggerred....... I wonder how much HP it have. COnsider the warrior has 500HP, shiro must have around 500x20 HP. Well, this is just my guess. Which you guys good luck in the mission and dont give up even someone leave your team.

Cyan The Archer · Nov 04, 2006, 02:54 AM // 02:54

Look on this pic:

This lovely little bug helped me solo Undead Lich. Make sure both Shiro and Lich stay in the middle not attacking when you go near(Note: Place your henchmen/heroes at the entrance is in the pic). I took my Ironwing Flatbow, and began to attack him. He didn't do anything, except for using the life healing skill when he got low hp, but it wont work. This will not work against Shiro because he use Reposting Shadows, and have a higher regeneration and armor.

You can clearly see on the picture which build my heroes were using, and which henchmen i had with me.

To kill shiro i first capped all the Shrines/Altars, while Shiro was attacking me. Your monks should be able to outheal him, because he dont deal alot of dmg when not using any skills. After i had capped the last Altar(Which was Dwaynas, or according to the U-map "Dywanas") i send Koss to attack Lich, and kept moving my heroes/henchmen around if Shiro would attack them. After a while he got tired and used Impossible Odds on Koss the rest of the time. Monks was good at healing him(He was close to dying once in the end though) and i made sure he had a permanemt Protective Spirit on him.

Dont choose 2 melee's for the mission, because Impossible Odds will deal way too much dmg on them both. Get a warrior with lots of defensive skills and Wild Blow, and make sure Shiro will only attack that warrior.

I hope this can help someone, because it took me countless tries and 3 days to complete the mission. Good luck

EDIT: Forgot to mention; i failed to kill Shiro the time the pic was taken, but next attempt with the EXACT same setup, i completed the mission. Make sure you dont get any DP, or at least make sure the monks and Koss dont.

Knightsaber Sith · Nov 04, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

I'll try some of these cause I want my primeval armor already >_<

Dr Imperial · Nov 13, 2006, 02:32 AM // 02:32

wow i hate this mission. been tryin for 2 days now. as other people have, i have pretty much lost the will to try anymore...which pisses me off cause i really want primevel armor. The hardest thing for me is getting a good group. there seem to be not enough monks around, and its annoying. i expect to beat it tommorrow, its only a matter of time before i get a good group....but yea i think IO needs to be taken out.

Thallandor · Nov 13, 2006, 03:42 AM // 03:42

Did it with only Heros and hencies last night with this build:

Me: Dont really matter as long you carry lightbringer Gaze to breeze through the first parts to get to shiro and lich:

Heros:

Noru: Empathy, degen, interupts and rez sig. At shiro disable all but Empathy, degen and rez sig.
Olias/Master of Whispers: Spliot Victor, blood degens etc. At Shiro disable all but SV, degens and rez sig.
Dunkoro: Glimmering Light, Protective spirit,5en heals, mend conditions, rez sig and rez chant. At shiro disable all but Glimmering light, PS, heals and rez sig.

Hencies:

Cynn
Brother mehlno
Krhim Healer
Devona

Extra notes:

There are some overlapping patrols, take note of them and pull grps further than you would otherwise do to aviod running into cross aggro issues.

Concentrate on closing the chaos rifts by killing Portal Wraiths since the margos and demons respawn from the chaos rifts over time when you kill them hence serving as a time sink. Pull and kill the titans one at a time from safe spots.

Only use Lightbringer gaze to spike demons that have activated Call of torment so they dont replicate themselves.

Kill the lich first as everyone had said before.

If you are a warrior (primary or secondary) bring wild blow and spam it on shiro.

When fighting shiro, fight him in the centre of the room and use individual flags to make your heros spaced apart to prevent party wipes from shiro's AoE.

If you are going for bonus, just ingore Shiro and capture the altar of the gods for temperory boost ( i killed him easily without so it should not be a problem)

Shiro can transfer conditions such as posion and bleeding to your party only use Hex based DoTs to kill him.

Keep moving when hes chasing you. bring some skills to slow his movements it helps to delay time and pressure off your party while you degen/make him kill himself.

I take no credit for this as i am just putting most of the hints togther in one post from some other parts of other forums.

Good luck all.

justadude · Nov 13, 2006, 12:15 PM // 12:15

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Originally Posted by Dr Imperial

wow i hate this mission. been tryin for 2 days now. as other people have, i have pretty much lost the will to try anymore...which pisses me off cause i really want primevel armor. The hardest thing for me is getting a good group. there seem to be not enough monks around, and its annoying. i expect to beat it tommorrow, its only a matter of time before i get a good group....but yea i think IO needs to be taken out.

Yeah, I feel the same way. It really lessens the value of Nightfall for me. I will try to get this once with my Dervish, then finishing Nightfall with others is dead to me. I just wont do it. A mission facing just Shiro and the Lich would be fine, but you fight 30 minutes to get wasted by Shiro the boss of the worst of the three chapter of the most maligned class in the game with a idiotic party whipe special attack that makes Anet come of as sophomoric and moronic for trying to add value to Factions by making the boss so hard. I mean Varesh was a joke and the Lich too.

If you have the need to give Factions value by making Shiro TOTALLY and yes I mean TOTALLY unbalanced compared to the other bosses (even those of the Nightfall campaign) then make a mission called 'We want you to think Factions is Good' and put Shiro in it. DO NOT make us fight 30 minutes to get wiped.

You, Anet have also screwed over ALL, yes, ALL, I repeat ALL, did you get that Anet? ALL melee players by making Shiro melee resistant. My Dervish cant get a group.

oh I would also like to say, yes I know many have henched it and won easily, yes I have made shiro several times with henchmen and tried Spoil Victor and empathy and Flagged and what not, yes I have henched most of Nightfall so I know what I am doing, but NO I dont want a 30 minute mission to end with a boss that wipes most parties he encounters.

Anet Factions was good, it was fun. Prophecies and Nightfall are better Assassins are a poorly designed class that take a lot of skill to play well. That is just how it is. Doing this does not make Factions as good as the other campaign, it just lessens the value of giuld wars. I am not 15 anymore, I dont have time to go 30 minutes to die. Make the Shiro misson short, like in factions or better yet tone him down to be on par with the Lich. Like the Lich, Shiro should be a shadow of his former self in Nightfall.

Correct you mistake Anet

ennea · Nov 13, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by justadude

Yeah, I feel the same way. It really lessens the value of Nightfall for me. I will try to get this once with my Dervish, then finishing Nightfall with others is dead to me. I just wont do it. A mission facing just Shiro and the Lich would be fine, but you fight 30 minutes to get wasted by Shiro the boss of the worst of the three chapter of the most maligned class in the game with a idiotic party whipe special attack that makes Anet come of as sophomoric and moronic for trying to add value to Factions by making the boss so hard. I mean Varesh was a joke and the Lich too.

If you have the need to give Factions value by making Shiro TOTALLY and yes I mean TOTALLY unbalanced compared to the other bosses (even those of the Nightfall campaign) then make a mission called 'We want you to think Factions is Good' and put Shiro in it. DO NOT make us fight 30 minutes to get wiped.

You, Anet have also screwed over ALL, yes, ALL, I repeat ALL, did you get that Anet? ALL melee players by making Shiro melee resistant. My Dervish cant get a group.

oh I would also like to say, yes I know many have henched it and won easily, yes I have made shiro several times with henchmen and tried Spoil Victor and empathy and Flagged and what not, yes I have henched most of Nightfall so I know what I am doing, but NO I dont want a 30 minute mission to end with a boss that wipes most parties he encounters.

Anet Factions was good, it was fun. Prophecies and Nightfall are better Assassins are a poorly designed class that take a lot of skill to play well. That is just how it is. Doing this does not make Factions as good as the other campaign, it just lessens the value of giuld wars. I am not 15 anymore, I dont have time to go 30 minutes to die. Make the Shiro misson short, like in factions or better yet tone him down to be on par with the Lich. Like the Lich, Shiro should be a shadow of his former self in Nightfall.

Correct you mistake Anet

My dervish can't get a group either because the mission is now so needy of SV necros, monks and wild blow wars. They made Shiro a shadow of his former self by taking away his meditation skill from Factions, but HELLO??? I'd take his meditation skill over IO anytime. I tried to kill him for 3 days and wasted over 10 hours being wiped. I haven't played GW since. Its real smart of Anet to be driving players away with missions like this.

mrlopes · Nov 13, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

First of all I'm not a uber player!
But knowing how to handle this mission made it very easy indeed.

Using only heroes/henchs i've done it on first try
Have droped shiro in 20-30 seconds, no more.

The basic setup,
Elementalist (Me) Searing Flames way with LB lvl 4
Olias, Curses, SS, Insideous Parasite, Price of Failure, ...
Master of Whispers, Blood/Domination, Spoil Victor, BR, Empathy,
Koss, Grenths Balance, Riposte, Savage or wild blow can't remember, stances...
2 Henchs monks
1 Paragon Hench
1 Ranger Hench

With careful aggro reaching the temple is very simple, shut down the portals, get inside, kill The Lich as soon as possible ignoring Shiro, and run to each avatar, ignoring Shiro, flag the team in the corner of each avatar room and Shiro won't follow you there or it will retreat after 3 or 4 seconds of being there, kill the foes in the room and capture the avatar.
After the 5 avatars captured you have a nice boost in skills, go to shiro, it will kill himself in seconds,
Spoil Victor, SS, Insideous Parasite, Empathy, shoud steal more then 190hp per Shiro attack (and it attacks a lot), add the grenths balance from Koss, and other damage sources, and it drops very very fast.

I was very surprised with how much easy it was.
Just remember to always call your targets, heroes/henchs follow this much better then pugs (myself included)

And like i said i'm not a uber player.

CYA

Lykan · Nov 13, 2006, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Wild blow is all you need for victory in this mission. <-

Playing through on my warrior, I didnt even know shiro was in the mission until i got halfway because a friend pm'd me, luckily I had wb because of all the rangers in NF.
Positioning is key.
Kill the Lich, I just mashed on him and dont even remember whats skills he used, he dies easily, (didnt bother with bonus) then kite shiro up the stairs, flag the hench back and tank shiro by the gate (if you arent playing a warrior just get someone who knows what they are doing to come along).
Wild blow whenever battle scars comes on and thats it, IO will only hit the player nearest to shiro if you position correctly. I had a blood necro with siphon/transfer and orders and a illusion hench as well so some degen, nuker, ranger, earth hench and 2 monks.

justadude · Nov 13, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrlopes

First of all I'm not a uber player!
But knowing how to handle this mission made it very easy indeed.

Using only heroes/henchs i've done it on first try
Have droped shiro in 20-30 seconds, no more.

The basic setup,
Elementalist (Me) Searing Flames way with LB lvl 4
Olias, Curses, SS, Insideous Parasite, Price of Failure, ...
Master of Whispers, Blood/Domination, Spoil Victor, BR, Empathy,
Koss, Grenths Balance, Riposte, Savage or wild blow can't remember, stances...
2 Henchs monks
1 Paragon Hench
1 Ranger Hench

With careful aggro reaching the temple is very simple, shut down the portals, get inside, kill The Lich as soon as possible ignoring Shiro, and run to each avatar, ignoring Shiro, flag the team in the corner of each avatar room and Shiro won't follow you there or it will retreat after 3 or 4 seconds of being there, kill the foes in the room and capture the avatar.
After the 5 avatars captured you have a nice boost in skills, go to shiro, it will kill himself in seconds,
Spoil Victor, SS, Insideous Parasite, Empathy, shoud steal more then 190hp per Shiro attack (and it attacks a lot), add the grenths balance from Koss, and other damage sources, and it drops very very fast.

I was very surprised with how much easy it was.
Just remember to always call your targets, heroes/henchs follow this much better then pugs (myself included)

And like i said i'm not a uber player.

CYA

You know I went and capped Spoil Victor for this mission. That is really sad, when you need a skill from another campaign to complete a mission. Like i said in an earlier post, I realize it can be done, but I also did not see the Lich having to be killed four times or doing insane damage. I am sorry, but why is Shiro not like the Lich in Nightfall?

I also would like to say that this misson is killing Nightfall for me. It takes 30 minutes of organized fighting (and one bad patrol can cost you dearly) to get to Shiro. Anet really is driving away players. I know I WILL think twice about buying another chapter and wait and read the forums to see if anet pulled another stunt like this one. Factions was just okay Anet Live with it.

Mai · Nov 13, 2006, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by justadude

. I know I WILL think twice about buying another chapter and wait and read the forums to see if anet pulled another stunt like this one. Factions was just okay Anet Live with it.

Factions was terrible get real. Nightfall is the best expansion so far in comparison to the garbage that was Factions. In Faction missions all you really needed was a MM and everythign can pretty much be done solo without even even thinking or needing any advanced planning. Heck even Shiro can be dropped within 1 min if you know how to do it. The only difficult mission in Factions were the co-op 2 party ones, where the only challenge is getting paired up with a crappy team that pretty much fails it for everyone else. (Aka Vizunah Square and Kunnaveg Mission)

As for this mission, yes I've failed it a bunch of times due to a bad pull or didn't come properly prepared but it was challenging and it felt like I actually accomplished something after completing this mission. It felt nice not using the same builds all through the game like I did in factions. My only gripe with NF is that Abaddon mission is just cheesy with interrupts and spawning 3 Torment Claws in the same spot sometimes. (Seriously wtf)

The way my boyfriend and I killed Shiro was that our interrupter heroes actually interrupted Shiro's IO somehow so we just killed him. The second time when I helped some friends, we just overwhelmed him with damage before IO had wiped us.

Lynxius · Nov 13, 2006, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Ahah im going to feel so happy when im running around with my Protector Of Elona. Finnally a worthy title not so easy to max.

<<<Happy ^____^

I only have one advice, keep trying and learning.

Luck favors the patient.

Lykan · Nov 13, 2006, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by justadude

You know I went and capped Spoil Victor for this mission. That is really sad, when you need a skill from another campaign to complete a mission.

You do not need spoil victor!

Quote:

I know I WILL think twice about buying another chapter and wait and read the forums to see if anet pulled another stunt like this one.

What stunt? Making the game challenging. The game actually requires a bit of skill and tactics now so you cant solo a mission with a MM anymore. Make Chap 4 the same pls!

ayanaftw · Nov 13, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

wild blow and spoil victor is all u need.

i didnt have much room to fit those in so i stuck both on koss, still pwned shiro though

mrlopes · Nov 13, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lykan

You do not need spoil victor!

What stunt? Making the game challenging. The game actually requires a bit of skill and tactics now so you cant solo a mission with a MM anymore.

Agree, spoil victor helps alot but not a must have!

sage tank · Nov 13, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Dervish goes well in that mission, get avatar of balthazar, use mystic super rune instead of scythe super rune, and wild blow you way through, imo wild blow is more like a dervish skill than warrior, there is no down side of losing adrenaline, and scythe critical is wild.

Nexus Icon · Nov 13, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

We did it with a paragon player who REALLY knew his stuff. He'd set up his Zhed so that his (the paragon's) "They're on fire!" effectively reduced any damage dealt by anything at all to nothing.
I think the idea is to create a build that synergises with the paragon skills to effectively make sure that everything is on fire all the time...
I don't know specifics, but I know Smoldering Gaze was in there somewhere.
'twas a cakewalk, as was Abbadon directly after (which we did in 9:23).

So no Wild Blow, no Spoil Victor, just a VERY clever paragon

That left me free to do what I do best.
Hit things with a lump of metal

ChoKILLate[FDG] · Nov 13, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

I love a mission that has some challenge. What I don't like is when the mission takes ~30min or more to do and then you die. If it is going to be challenging, make it shorter. If it is fairly easy then make it long. Combining the 2 just pisses a lot of people off...especially those of us who work for a living and have one chance a day to do a mission. I actually stepped away from the game for a few days then came back and just played with a different character. I almost gave up on my Dervish all together.

I also don't like a missions that favors a class so that you cannot get a decent party...or people think it requires a class to do. Especially when that class is not one of the 2 made in the current game you are playing. This would be fine if groups were looking for a Paragon with a specific elite or a Dervish...but not a necro with an elite from Factions! With all the people playing Paragon and Dervish it is almost impossible for us to get into a team!

I will go back to henching it to see if I can do it. Last time I was able to get to the Lich, kill it, get the bonus, but I just did not have enough damage to take Shiro down past 1/3. If I cannot do it after this I may go cap Spoil victor, or just give up.