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Marendor_Allusid · Jun 07, 2005, 02:07 PM // 14:07

hello freinds of guild wars i was wondering if this tactic is a cheat or if its a vilid tactic i saw the koreans do.
i saw them killing each other and using a necromancer to spawn pets from the corpses and then having a monk to heal by the time we started our pvp in the underworld they had an army of 20 bone feinds all lvl 17 we had no chance is this a legal tactic?

Loviatar · Jun 07, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Marendor_Allusid

hello freinds of guild wars i was wondering if this tactic is a cheat or if its a vilid tactic i saw the koreans do.
i saw them killing each other and using a necromancer to spawn pets from the corpses and then having a monk to heal by the time we started our pvp in the underworld they had an army of 20 bone feinds all lvl 17 we had no chance is this a legal tactic?

it is called a sacrifice for the team

if you have a necro why not use it?

just becaus you didnt think of it first?

you called it a tactic yourself

Zodiac · Jun 07, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

IMO, this is definitely NOT a cheat and a completely valid tactic. If this becomes popular enough people will bring the counter for it (Verata's Aura).

It's all about knowing the meta game and be prepared for them (and coming up with some suprising tricks of your own).

Much kudos to whoever came up with this on their own. It's a very creative way to maximum the often look down upon on Necro death build for PvP

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 07, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

Curious how you could kill yourself? Call me a noob call me what you will, but I am not sure what skill/curse/hex would fully reduces your life to nothing. Maybe Ether Renewal with a Elementalist could get you low, and I am sure there are others. but what is the other team doing while you are over killing and resurrecting yourself? I also did not know that you could resurrect from allies bodies. Could any necros shed some light on this for me. Thank you.

Aug · Jun 07, 2005, 02:58 PM // 14:58

You can create minions and wells from corpses of allies. With a couple Monk primaries with Unyielding Aura, and some XX/Mos with some other rez, they could get a bunch of other corpses pretty quick, too.

But I'm curious how they went about killing themselves. Ether Renewal wouldn't do anything. But Ether Prodigy maybe. You'd have to have a pretty high Energy Storage rating and someone would have to have a way to remove the enchantment on yourself, like Contemplation of Purity... or perhaps a Conjure?

*tyler* · Jun 07, 2005, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Aug

You can create minions and wells from corpses of allies. With a couple Monk primaries with Unyielding Aura, and some XX/Mos with some other rez, they could get a bunch of other corpses pretty quick, too.

But I'm curious how they went about killing themselves. Ether Renewal wouldn't do anything. But Ether Prodigy maybe. You'd have to have a pretty high Energy Storage rating and someone would have to have a way to remove the enchantment on yourself, like Contemplation of Purity... or perhaps a Conjure?

I believe they are using a Necromancer Blood Magic spell to kill themselves.

Zodiac · Jun 07, 2005, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Awaken the Blood + Blood is Power + Blood Renewal = Dead Necro

Aug · Jun 07, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

If you can actually kill yourself with sacrificial spells, why use anything but Blood is Power? From what I've read, the spell is a fast cast with no recharge, and only 5 energy. Even a W/N could manage to cast it 4 times to kill himself.

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 07, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Well then you would need more than one Necro, cause if you kill yourself and you are the necro, who would raise the minions?

Thank you for the correction on Ether Prodigy.

All we have figured out is how to kill the necro, when haven't figured out how to kill enough people to raise a significant amount of minions. Still the team that would sit idly by and wait for a team to kill and resurrect themselves does not deserve to get to the Hall.

Marendor, was it a 1 on 1 match or what? I just want to make sure that maybe they didn't raise minions from a previously killed team in like a 6 way or something.

Yamat · Jun 07, 2005, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Aug has it.

A team of 5 W/N, 2 Mo/- and 1N/-

All the W kill themselves and the N starts making buddies.

Great tactic... I would love to see the chat for the opposing team when they see that rushing to them 1 minute into the battle...

Radagast de Brun · Jun 07, 2005, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Killing them quickly shouldn't be too big of a problem. With a monk with Unyielding Aura, Vengeance, Arcane Echo, and probably Blood is Power on the sacrificed and a ranger casting a Quickening Zephyr, you could get a corpse every ten seconds, get another monk and you can cut this down to probably a minon every 6-7 secs or so. The other team is likely to take at least a few seconds to all enter and get organized.

Edit: The sacrificed would probably ideally be your 3rd monk (a Mo/N), because contemplation of purity is the best way I can see to kill yourself from vengeance (though Unyielding Aura can be easily cancelled by the caster).

Lasher Dragon · Jun 07, 2005, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by Zodiac

Much kudos to whoever came up with this on their own. It's a very creative way to maximum the often look down upon on Necro death build for PvP

This tactic was published in the little PvP strategy guide that came with preorder kits. Old news. As a matter of fact, they had quite a few interesting strats in there.

Chuck Wagon · Jun 07, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

The Koreans you mentioned did not originate the build. They're just copying the one detailed HERE (with vid).

Zodiac · Jun 07, 2005, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon

This tactic was published in the little PvP strategy guide that came with preorder kits. Old news. As a matter of fact, they had quite a few interesting strats in there.

Thanks for pointing that out, I did not know/notice that

Lasher Dragon · Jun 07, 2005, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by Zodiac

Thanks for pointing that out, I did not know/notice that

No problem... I haven't done any PvP yet, the only reason I remembered that was because I had planned on making a killer necro when I first got the preorder, and wanted to see if there were any neat PvP necro strategies. That one stuck out in my mind as one I would have to try one day; I can't imagine being on the other side of that fight lol.

drowningfish999 · Jun 07, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

I actually have been on the other side of that fight, and it's actually not too hard at all. We were in a 4v4 arena, goal was killing most in the time limit. They went and sacrificed themselves about 5 or 6 times, giving us an early lead. By the time we got there he had a decent army of Bone Minions. We all focused on the necro, forcing him to run around in circles while his bone minions slowly died away. They ended up only getting 3-4 kills, so we easily won.

Caco-Cola · Jun 07, 2005, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Koreans are crazy. They'll try anything.

Which is probably why they win a lot, they find good builds and merge them.

American teams aren't very quick to try new tactics but Koreans jump at the chance.

I could be wrong but it sure looks like this is the trend.

Dazzler · Jun 07, 2005, 07:37 PM // 19:37

Doesn't this give the "sacrifices" a major -60%DP? That alone seems like a hefty drawback to the strategy.

Caco-Cola · Jun 07, 2005, 08:35 PM // 20:35

I think it'd give them a -5% DP.

Reason being is that it seems that if you die quickly within your last death you don't get a DP.

I've had this happen a lot, where I died and was ressed and died again and only had 5% DP (after the 10% bonus).

Bazooka · Jun 07, 2005, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Deaths from Vengeance cause no death penalty