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UsagiNoSenshi · Jun 23, 2005, 04:51 AM // 04:51

hmm well i have 12+ beast mastery, and 6 pet skills in my skill bar. I've done pretty well in low level pvp but i haven't tried the tombs or anything. I bet all these people complaing about pets have never tried a FULL beast master build. with pets it's all or nothing. There are just too many half assed noob beast masters that give the rest of us a bad name >:E

and i mean come on, pets have some major hp

Salbei Zukunft · Jun 23, 2005, 04:56 AM // 04:56

Well, to all of you that disregarded pets, I was in the competition arena with my pet pvp build today, and we had 6 flawless victories until a team with 2 mesmers came and shut our monk down. Pet skills are cheaper and faster, plus the fact that most people do not target the pets help me. It really pisses the warrior off when he activated his signet and it just get disabled for 20 seconds when the warrior has only 25% hp left. But for a pet build to be effective, you need a good monk who can keep you alive against the onslaught of warriors/rangers/elementalists.
By the way, my pet build pwned many bow rangers who specialize in traps/distract. They simply attack a lot slower than my pet. Think about the refire rate and the flight time of the arrow, and you will see what I mean.=]

ComMan · Jun 23, 2005, 06:09 AM // 06:09

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Originally Posted by UsagiNoSenshi

and i mean come on, pets have some major hp

Actually, no they don't. Pet HP is low enough that people can literally 1 hit kill them in Tombs. Since players in tombs generally have less than 500 HP, and they can't be one-shotted, we can assume that pets have some pretty poo HP.

Tellani Artini · Jun 23, 2005, 07:00 AM // 07:00

It's been said that pets have the same HP per level as players, and I've never seen a pet one-shotted. Problem is they have 60AL. Otyugh's Cry fixes that, adding +20AL to all pets in the area for 30 seconds for 5 energy.

Genos · Jun 23, 2005, 08:22 AM // 08:22

ive made a pet based ranger - Expertise, Beast mastery and Marks - 10 in each, nothing supre high.. only really tested it in random areana, but its quite nice - you just have to give up your ranger skills - perople think, oh the pets no thereat - when in fact its the pet who just knocked the monk over and killed him...

just get the right skills - i recomend a Stuats effect (Maming etc), Feral Lunge (not sure, w/e the knock down if casing move is), Scavanger, Charm, Comfort at the least.
proably Otyuaghs cry if you think the pets gonna get beat on.. etc. pets are quite the nice thing - if you use them correctly

rwt2006 · Jun 23, 2005, 12:36 PM // 12:36

pets just don't the love they deserve

UsagiNoSenshi · Jun 23, 2005, 05:01 PM // 17:01

if you have 12+ beast mastery your pet should have way more hp than you do <.< so i have no idea what you are talking about? Did you see a lvl 1 pet with amaster with 0 beast mastery or something?

Davis · Jun 23, 2005, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by UsagiNoSenshi

if you have 12+ beast mastery your pet should have way more hp than you do <.< so i have no idea what you are talking about? Did you see a lvl 1 pet with amaster with 0 beast mastery or something?

Okay okay. Take your beast mastery ranger to the HoH and let us know how well u do.

Tellani Artini · Jun 24, 2005, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Davis

Okay okay. Take your beast mastery ranger to the HoH and let us know how well u do.

I didn't take a screenshot of my pet standing on the altar of HoH after we won :/

UsagiNoSenshi · Jun 24, 2005, 02:14 AM // 02:14

why do people refuse to believe that if properly played a beast master is a decent build? and Tellani you rule XP what kind of pet do you have?

Dreamsmith · Jun 24, 2005, 02:27 AM // 02:27

If I have to put six pet skills on my skill bar to make an effective pet, at that point I'm the pet's sidekick, rather than the other way around. I'm not interested in playing that role. But I'd love to see more beastmasters around if other people enjoy that. Might I ask, those of you who have effective BM builds, what is your build and what skills are you bringing?

Seth Oriath · Jun 24, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by ComMan

Actually, no they don't. Pet HP is low enough that people can literally 1 hit kill them in Tombs.

You wanna know something? Those people don't have any points in Beast Mastery.

With my pet, I used Revive Animal once. It resses your pet with 320 health (at 9 beast mastery). Do you know where that put the pet's life meter at? Almost 1/5 full. That's ~1600 HP on your pet.

Back up your statement with a little bit more evidence before rushing in and getting shot down.

UsagiNoSenshi · Jun 24, 2005, 03:10 AM // 03:10

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

If I have to put six pet skills on my skill bar to make an effective pet, at that point I'm the pet's sidekick, rather than the other way around. I'm not interested in playing that role. But I'd love to see more beastmasters around if other people enjoy that. Might I ask, those of you who have effective BM builds, what is your build and what skills are you bringing?

Beast Mastery- 13
Marksmanship- 13
Expertise - 8
Wilderness Survival- 2

Power shot
Call of Haste
Feral Lunge
Predator's Pounce
Troll Ungent
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal
(random res or capture signet)

I'm still working on this build... trying to find a way to make it PvP friendly

Tellani Artini · Jun 24, 2005, 06:08 AM // 06:08

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

Might I ask, those of you who have effective BM builds, what is your build and what skills are you bringing?

This:

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Originally Posted by UsagiNoSenshi

Beast Mastery- 13
Marksmanship- 13
Expertise - 8
Wilderness Survival- 2

Power shot
Call of Haste
Feral Lunge
Predator's Pounce
Troll Ungent
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal
(random res or capture signet)

I'm still working on this build... trying to find a way to make it PvP friendly

With wilderness survival of 2, troll unguent is seriously useless. And uh.. most people are going to tell you to leave it behind for pvp anyway. I'm with them. Replace that with distracting shot or pin down. I think ferocious strike would be a great replacement for feral lunge, to feed your power shot. Since most of the time you're attacking casters (monks) in pvp, you won't get as much mileage out of feral lunge. As soon as a decent monk sees you using it, they're going to stop attacking (if they were silly enough to start attacking in the first place). Even if you haven't captured any elite skills, you should plan on which one fits best in your build and strive to get it. I think another decent elite for pet builds is crippling shot, but ferocious is so damn useful I don't know why a pet ranger would pass it up. Otherwise it looks decently pvp ready.

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Originally Posted by UsagiNoSenshi

and Tellani what kind of pet do you have?

The same Melandru's Stalker I got in pre-searing, named Intractable. I'd only give it up for a spider.

Louis Ste Colombe · Jun 24, 2005, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I have always wanted to try a smiting pet build.
I have yet to try this for real.

Get your pet ready.... hum... Cast all those sweet smite thingy on it + a couple of pet skills and watch the Fur Fighter.

I am not sure an un-enchanter will pay enough attention to the pet before it's too late. For fun purpose, it would be nice to have a couple of dummy enchant on a warrior so that he get the Rend... While the pet keep fighting

Attribute: PetMastery

, Smiting

Charm Animal
Comfort Animal/ Revive Animal
Disrupting Lunge/ Bestial Pounce
Feral Lunge
ZEALOT's FIRE

(and then I'd think Comfort is superior to Revive...to add a cheap spammable skill would be great ).
Balthazar Aura/ JI/ Strenght of Honor

And then two other skills up to you. Can potentially make it to the list if 3/4 Smite/Beastmasters are in the team:
Symbiosis
Call of Haste
Call of Protection

Those last 2 are shouts: tougher to dispel/ interrupt, and can be used, if I believe the description on animal companions . Can be split among different rangers

Revive also use a plural... I got to test that...

Utilities in Petmaster/ Smite line:
Edge Of Extinction
Fertile Seasons
Smite Hex
Anything in Monk General (like Essence Bond: would be the perfect dummy enchant to cast on a potential target to lure a Rend)
Anything in Ranger General

And so far, no elite used, and if you want you can pick a 3rd attribute... So there is a flexibility there...

Given I got no Markmanship (although I can put stuff in Markmanshi attribute if need be), I'd go with a Smiting rod.
The sight of a ranger with a smiting rod would sure make opposition laugh

I have not tested that...I got a PvE character moving up across those lines... But I think AI will be better at dispelling enchant on pet that players
Any thought?

Louis,

The undead Mesmer · Jun 24, 2005, 09:37 AM // 09:37

if you dont whant that your pets dies fast try using this skill

Call of protection your pet gets a base damage reducion of 1-12

verry nice when your battling eles that have no more energy the pets impossible to beat only with attacking him

one time i tryed to kill a gypsie ettin my pet rushed itno the fight i casted call of protection and kabamm the gypsie ettin had a tough cookie for my pet.
he didnt get killed once in the whole game so thats nice

Spark · Jun 24, 2005, 09:56 AM // 09:56

That seems to be how Beastmastery is, it is not a support skill line. If you use it, you are dedicating a decent amount of slots to it. Is this bad? Not in and of itself. There are many skill lines similar in fashion, Air Magic, Fire Magic, Any Weapon Attribute, Death Magic, Domination....

Myodato · Jun 24, 2005, 11:33 AM // 11:33

I've started working on a r/w, hammer/pet caster-hate build (only lvl 10 so far). The only problem I've had so far, is that the pet is better than I am!

If only I could teach him how to use res signet, then it would be great

UsagiNoSenshi · Jun 24, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Tellani Artini

With wilderness survival of 2, troll unguent is seriously useless. And uh.. most people are going to tell you to leave it behind for pvp anyway. I'm with them. Replace that with distracting shot or pin down. I think ferocious strike would be a great replacement for feral lunge, to feed your power shot. Since most of the time you're attacking casters (monks) in pvp, you won't get as much mileage out of feral lunge. As soon as a decent monk sees you using it, they're going to stop attacking (if they were silly enough to start attacking in the first place). Even if you haven't captured any elite skills, you should plan on which one fits best in your build and strive to get it. I think another decent elite for pet builds is crippling shot, but ferocious is so damn useful I don't know why a pet ranger would pass it up. Otherwise it looks decently pvp ready.

The same Melandru's Stalker I got in pre-searing, named Intractable. I'd only give it up for a spider.

I saw your pvp build, looks very good. The 2 wilderness is cause i had 3 extra points and didn't know where to stick um, i'll figure it out some time. I'll try the things you sugested, i'm not big on pvp so i haven't tried out too many combos, this is just my pve build. heh you still have the first pet, that's nice, i've had my strider since i was lvl 2.

ICURADik · Jun 24, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Is it still the concensus that Spiders do the msot damage?