Curse

SaintGreg · Jan 17, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Please tell me that your warriors did not use the skill IWAY, when you won the hall with your iQ/Te IWAY group last night.

I did see someone use IWAY, but I don't know if they all had it.

fiery · Jan 17, 2006, 02:31 PM // 14:31

should stack ya complaints against IWAY..theres TONS of thread bashing on IWAY...if you cant beat IWAY than your group is prepared for nothing.. its like making a group...balance useally works against all.. bring skills to fight off IWAY...IWAY is easy to kill with any type of experience from a new guy just getting the build to anyone else...if your group cant beat IWAY revise..bring corpse removal..interrupt that maelstorm..if any of those goes off your screwed.

IWAY is fast fame...people will tend to use it... expect it to stay for a bit..as for some IWAY you can see how some are rush ins and some who actuallly worked over the group to the slightest mistake.

as for the skill IWAY.. just the skill is great enough.. longer lasting than TF..HP regen... i wonder why people going w/e always uses IWAY skill than frenzy..just sad.

R. Mindwalker · Jan 17, 2006, 03:17 PM // 15:17

IWAY that IWAY this. Let them first fix the bug at the Hall that you get ressed when you win.... So many times ive been blown up by EoE and won. But than you cant open the chest and cant get your sigil or goldie that will drop

PLZZZ fix that first. Just like all other arena's where you get 300 HP healing + auto ress when you win.

Hell Marauder · Jan 17, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Yeah.............
Today, they nerf IWAY so no 12-yr-old can win.
Tomorrow, they nerf UWAY so no 15-yr-old can enjoy the game.
The day after, they nerf HEWAY so no 18-yr-old can pwn anybody.
Well, soon, the only people who can win tombs are bunch of math professors and retired army colonels.
And the game will die, surely.

Excer · Jan 18, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

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Originally Posted by R. Mindwalker

IWAY that IWAY this. Let them first fix the bug at the Hall that you get ressed when you win.... So many times ive been blown up by EoE and won. But than you cant open the chest and cant get your sigil or goldie that will drop

PLZZZ fix that first. Just like all other arena's where you get 300 HP healing + auto ress when you win.

^completely agreed

I also agree with the argument that the skill IWAY is not actually needed for an IWAY group. Many iway warriors have it on about 20% of the time they're in battle, and thats when theres little skirmishes and they actually remember they have the skill. Besides, it could be replaced by simply taking 1 or 2 points out of str and put into tactics for healing sig. or you could replace the trappers for monks.

Also, i'd like to point out that not all IWAY groups are bad. Even thought the group does rely less on coordination, its still not gonna work if your warriors are attacking different targets. So you basically still need everyone on your team to know what they're doing. When i say know what they're doing i mean following calls, listening to you leader, being aware of what everyone else is doing, and thinking on the fly. You can not expect your average newbie to do all those things, and therefore they have much less success with IWAY.

kmg · Jan 18, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

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Originally Posted by Ensign

I wish people would stop pretending that the skill "I Will Avenge You!" matters *at all* in an iWay build.

The build is popular for two reasons: it put emphasis on individual playskill and de-emphasis on team coordination; and it is an aggressive build that wins and loses quickly, making it ideal to run up the ranks. The former is a bigger deal, though, because it gets around the death of most pickups - terrible to non-existant coordination. iWay is a modular build where you plug people into roles and go play, and that's really all you need.

I've said before that iWay is the 'best' tombs build, and I still feel that way to an extent. There are likely better versions, but ultimately I'm sure that the best build in tombs is a frontloaded Resurrection Signet build. With readily-accessible morale bonuses and the power of the Ressig, overwhelming pressure is the only way to go.

Peace,
-CxE

That perfectly sums it up.

And I would say that yes, if you want to farm fame and have no skilled players, then yes it probably is the best possible build. You'll take that 50/50 shot that the other team won't know how to counter and either get your 1 fame or be back there trying again in no time.

And no, IWAY isn't really important for an IWAY build. Usually when people start using IWAY they've already lost the match.

In fact, IWAY probably slows down the whole farming process because it prolongs losses, though not by much.

IWAY is just a build by noobs for noobs, the perfect build for noobs to bash on other noobs. In fact, probably the only advantage of IWAY is the fact that it's so hard to screw up. As long as the other team can't take it when you spam melee attacks that... Ya know... Do damage... Then you win.

And yes, IWAY is a pretty amazing degen build, right up until a single aegis/ward melee goes up. That or any of the other infinite IWAY counters. GG tho.

BigTru · Jan 18, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by kmg

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IWAY is just a build by noobs for noobs,

You really think it was "noobs" who invented IWAY???

kmg · Jan 18, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Hell no, I think the build itself is pretty genius, in some ways anyway, what I'm saying is that it's just a build noobs use to bash on other noobs. It's a good build, especially in that anybody with even the slightest knowledge of how GW GUI works (there are buttons and you can click them, that sort of thing) can pick up the build and get some fame. Therefore most noobs run iway just so they can play and get their 180 fame.

tafy69 · Jan 18, 2006, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by kmg

Hell no, I think the build itself is pretty genius, in some ways anyway, what I'm saying is that it's just a build noobs use to bash on other noobs. It's a good build, especially in that anybody with even the slightest knowledge of how GW GUI works (there are buttons and you can click them, that sort of thing) can pick up the build and get some fame. Therefore most noobs run iway just so they can play and get their 180 fame.

No they run iway untill R6, some carry on untill R9

Treg Q · Jan 18, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

You can beat IWAY easily if your team have 3 fire renewal/echo nukers and 1-2 trappers. Meteor showers and dust trap own them.

antialias02 · Jan 18, 2006, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Wards against Foes/Melee also owns IWAY pretty hard. Especially in conjunction with fire nukers and dust traps.

Divinus Stella · Jan 18, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Tombs is starting to empty out, ive noticed theres been a lot less players in EU tombs recently, i think a lot of people are just getting bored of tombs, theres no diversity anymore, theres always been FOTM builds, but i dont remember any being so popular.

Navaros · Jan 19, 2006, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by kmg

IWAY is just a build by noobs for noobs, the perfect build for noobs to bash on other noobs. In fact, probably the only advantage of IWAY is the fact that it's so hard to screw up. As long as the other team can't take it when you spam melee attacks that... Ya know... Do damage... Then you win.

And yes, IWAY is a pretty amazing degen build, right up until a single aegis/ward melee goes up. That or any of the other infinite IWAY counters. GG tho.

Yet with all this being true, there are still massive cries from mobs and mobs of players who lose to IWAY constantly and cry out for it's nerfing so much and so often until it is actually going to get nerfed even though it doesn't need to be.

What does that say about Guild Wars players as a whole?

Myodato · Jan 19, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

All sick of iway ? Bored of fighting against it every other game ? Well, there's a very simple solution:

Come up with another build that somebody can roll a character for, turn up in tombs, pick 7 other people randomly and start playing and winning within 5 minutes. That's why people iway, because they can actually play it rather than stand around outside Tombs telling people how good it is.

Iway isn't noob friendly - it's PuG friendly, just like air-spike, spirit spam and elmo smite were. Nerf iway and you won't solve the problem, you'll just have people rolling the fotm that replaces it to ensure they can get a game.

Lady Lozza · Jan 19, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

The main problem with IWAY is that one person in your team a screw it all up when you are facing them. Of course that goes for any opponent you are facing but since it is 8/10 an IWAY team, players get annoyed at themselves, their opponents, and the idiot who is stuffing it up. I personally hate IWAY, I hate watching it, I hate facing it. I hate it because it is such a brutish build. But I do understand why people use it and honestly can see no reasonable way of "fixing" the skills so it becomes less of a problem. This is what players need to keep in mind. Anet will not "fix" anything that may cause players either: 1) a disadvantage in other arenas, or 2) a disadvantage in PvE

Ninjutsu Honor Code · Jan 19, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

To bad they rape a beautifull skill as "I will avenge you!" for fame farming, now it has lost all the honor of using it to really avenge your dead comrades

Fatty Fatty Boomballati · Jan 20, 2006, 04:49 AM // 04:49

lol.
Sad part is some of you dont relise that the people killed by IWAY are also playing IWAY. No other teams take unranked players except for the occasional trapper team.

Please don't flame the build it has been beaten to deathand there are other threads for just that.

Divine Elemental · Jan 20, 2006, 04:54 AM // 04:54

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Originally Posted by Fatty Fatty Boomballati

lol.
Sad part is some of you dont relise that the people killed by IWAY are also playing IWAY. No other teams take unranked players except for the occasional trapper team.

Please don't flame the build it has been beaten to deathand there are other threads for just that.

True Enough..
makes me think of myself.. being a dick ... should have allowed those unranked people a try / chance

glenn_rolfe · Jan 22, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

well i can't believe Im gonna post in another iway thread. But i want to add this.

Some of the top gvg guilds like TT etc. who get there dose of tombs by playing IWAY are sending out a bad message to all those PvE guys in observer mode (yes, u know who you are with thothinking about trying out PvP for a change.

Whether they think it is for fun, or whether they're trying to get themselves some cheap runs in tombs, I hate them for doing it.

ownage of teh elite · Jan 23, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

I've just came back from battling against IWAY in PvP.

It was quite easily actually.

I have a few things to say.

#1 IWAY isn't something that any noob can conjure up at any moment. IWAY is actually very strategic. Some factors such as timing are needed to be successful in an IWAY build.

#2 IWAY is not overpowered at all. Let's think about it. A warrior who uses physical attacks, even with IWAY is still a warrior with physical attacks. IWAY doesn't make anyone godly. Just create an anti-IWAY build instead of rant and rave about it. Any build that blinds, health degen, cripples, I mean anything that you can create that is actually an anti-warrior build would do. Instead of pointless rambling in threads, why don't you do something better with your time?

#3 If you need to test out builds against IWAY I suggest doing some training in Zaishen Challenge PvP against the IWAY warriors.

Thanks,

That's all.