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Wexnar · Mar 04, 2006, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Some build without elite skill can be very effective, imho.

JYX · Mar 04, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Some examples of such builds would be very helpful.

Manic Smile · Mar 04, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

MM doesn't really need an elite...yet

Kakumei · Mar 04, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

This is a worthwhile thread already.

Maxiemonster · Mar 04, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

MM builds don't always equip an Elite, but there aren't many builds without an Elite..

Sekkira · Mar 04, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

No, you don't need an elite to make a build effective. From what I gather though it seems to look like a build is based around an elite skill on the bar. I'm probably very incorrect in this assumption, but it seems to me that when making a build, people come up with an elite first and add 7 other skills that work with it and make it or the other skills used that much more effective.

Johnny Paycheck · Mar 04, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

I've run some utility/enchanter monk builds that don't carry elites, but that was awhile ago and I don't remember them enough to post the skillbar. I can remember using some of these in GvG's with success though. Just don't tell anyone you don't have an elite or they will flip out regardless of how effective your build turns out.

mortalis doleo · Mar 04, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

that build should just have energy drain in it rather than tap...

most builds dont need an elite, but an elite helps the build tremendously, and not bringing one would be stupid...

only MMs can get away with no elite skills...

wheel · Mar 04, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

In most builds, you should be bringing an elite, because in most cases, it helps your efficiency out a lot. There are few builds that could not benefit from not bringing an elite.

Yanman.be · Mar 04, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

shame, diversion, shatter ench, e burn, blackout, remove hex, shatter hex, ressurect..

good dmg/support, no elite

minor · Mar 04, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Last i looked this was a pvp forum and pve doesn't really count ppl have beat the game with henchies.
You can make a build without an elite but almost all will work better with one.
In the case of the build just posted u have energy burn and not surge. Surge itsn't that much better but the splash damage can be helpful.

stokey · Mar 04, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

shame, diversion, shatter ench, e burn, blackout, remove hex, shatter hex, ressurect..

good dmg/support, no elite

better efficiency if u take esurge over eburn

ange1 · Mar 04, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

if you don't need elite, your party wants u too

ie,
sword charger
matyr something

DurinVIII · Mar 05, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Not bad, just not optimal.

wheel · Mar 05, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

shame, diversion, shatter ench, e burn, blackout, remove hex, shatter hex, ressurect..

good dmg/support, no elite

No energy management outside of shame, either. At any rate, you'd be much better off bringing Energy Surge over Energy Burn, as was already posted.

JR · Mar 05, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by ange1

if you don't need elite, your party wants u too

ie,
sword charger
matyr something

Exactly. There are a few character builds that may not benefit from an elite, but when thinking on a team-wide basis this is not the case.

moriz · Mar 05, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54

don't know about you guys, but i always come up with a build and try to work in an elite that will complement it.

Yanman.be · Mar 06, 2006, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheel

No energy management outside of shame, either. At any rate, you'd be much better off bringing Energy Surge over Energy Burn, as was already posted.

you don't need energy management, have you looked at the recharge of those spells? you regen all the energy you need in the time they recharge...

also, they asked not to use an elite, and i was being a spiker with shatter ench, i don' t need e-surge...

the build will get it's job done...

also it's a remake of my me/mo martyr...that's my elite then on that build

Vindexus · Mar 06, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

The answer is no.

Sometimes the skills you want are more effective than any elite you might want to bring, but this is fairly rare.

wheel · Mar 06, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

you don't need energy management, have you looked at the recharge of those spells? you regen all the energy you need in the time they recharge...

also, they asked not to use an elite, and i was being a spiker with shatter ench, i don' t need e-surge...

the build will get it's job done...

also it's a remake of my me/mo martyr...that's my elite then on that build

No. You're completely wrong. Energy Surge is inherently better than Energy Burn. The only reason that you even bring Energy Burn is when you already have an elite skill on your bar and thus can't bring Energy Surge (or you already have Energy Surge on your bar and would like to have both).

If you're going to come up with a build that defies normal convention by having no elite, make a build that can't be made better or more efficient by bringing an elite. A build that "gets its job done" is crap compared to a build that "gets the job done in the most efficient way possible." Play to win.

On energy management, you still need it. The recharges on those spells may be long, but you still need energy management because in the face of an energy denial team, you're going to need all the energy you can get. In short, your build is bad because it's inefficient and has no energy management. It can definitely benefit a lot from having an elite.