Curse

Kabale · May 08, 2006, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Why would you make a build that only works against dumb monks?

Oren The Destroyer · May 10, 2006, 01:00 PM // 13:00

probably already said, but if they are running an order of apostasy necro, bonds wont help you, prot monks wont help you, only an sb/infuse might.
whatever. ooa in vimway is gay too. dont ask me why orders is in vimway, its just one i saw

-oren

Oberon Shadowking · May 10, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

OK, so I've gotten a LOT of tips and tricks, and now I'm trying to make an actual team build to go up here. I have come up with the following. PLEASE make as many changes as you can, to both the actual content and the strategy. I've recieved a lot of conflicting advice, and so I'm just trying to do my best.

HEre we go:

2 W/Mo tanks
Job: Spirit hunters! Slay NR, EoE, and all other spirits! Also, kite IWAY warriors through wards.

1 E/Mo warder
Job: Ward. Spam both Ward against Melee and Ward against Foes. Heal party, too??

1 SS necro.
Job: Cast Spiteful Spirit on IWAY's PETS, not the actual warriors, and cause as much havoc as possible

1 E-Denial/CC Mesmer/Necro
Job: SPAM CONSUME CORPSE! Oh, and e-deny the orders as much as possible, too.

1 Anti-Condition Monk
Job: Keep IWAY's condition attack under control

1 Aegis- prot monk
Job: Spam Aegis and other prot spells

1 Healing monk.
Job: Heal the party.

So let me know how this looks, and provide any fixes you can to it! Thanks for all the help so far, let's keep posting!

Divineshadows · May 10, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon Shadowking

2 W/Mo tanks
Job: Spirit hunters! Slay NR, EoE, and all other spirits! Also, kite IWAY warriors through wards.

1 E/Mo warder
Job: Ward. Spam both Ward against Melee and Ward against Foes. Heal party, too??

Not sure what skills you had in mind for your warriors, but there are no tanks in PvP. What IWAY warrior is going to attack your warriors more often than your softies? At least you got the spirit slaying part right as one of the main functions of warriors facing an IWAY team.

Beware of camping in wards. IWAY teams have traps and usually either meteor shower or maelstrom to punish teams who want to camp wards. This is not to say that wards do not help against IWAY, but merely to say that the WASD keys on your team's keyboards better be worn out after facing any decent IWAY team.

Snype · May 10, 2006, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by Divineshadows

Not sure what skills you had in mind for your warriors, but there are no tanks in PvP. What IWAY warrior is going to attack your warriors more often than your softies? At least you got the spirit slaying part right as one of the main functions of warriors facing an IWAY team.

Beware of camping in wards. IWAY teams have traps and usually either meteor shower or maelstrom to punish teams who want to camp wards. This is not to say that wards do not help against IWAY, but merely to say that the WASD keys on your team's keyboards better be worn out after facing any decent IWAY team.

Yes, i agree with Divine. You need to also put on the Monk's advice that THEY should only kite through wards. Staying in wards only makes the situation worse.

Guitary Boy · May 12, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Im not one of these iway rebels, i like HA, i will play any build fairly well that i see being spammed in there, and iway is often one of them. Now- to the point, the new necro skill "Order of Apostacy" - if this skill used by a order necro that knows what he is doing, It provides the ability beat any other build i have come up against so far,
for 5 seconds every one in party, with each attack removes an enchantment from targeted foe and that =Bonders gone,Prot monks gone, and any other build is just massicred, its like a knife through butter from what i have seen.
Sure this skill requires curses and its 25 energy but just get another necro to take br to counter the health sacrifice and in the long run is it worth 25 energy to remove every single foe's enchantment? Iway now is overpowerd beyond belief, we only lost to a very good necro spike that must have faced this new build before as they instantly took out both our necro's and then carried on from there(dont know why but they had frozen soil). But as i said, the average group isn't goign to be prepared for this, they just dont know what has hit them, ive been on both ends of it and even though i like iway i think this skill is over powered.
Oh and for the wards - My iway groups all carry warriors cunning instead of a damage skill, just get 2 warriors on monk(s) and 2 on warders then thats the end of your warders and monks, and it carries on from there.

Solberg the Exiled · May 13, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39

Oh I can certainly see Order of Apostacy being used by Iway and other build. I'm actually seeing a lot of enchantment hate in faction skills. We see new ways of stripping all enchantment from 1 person, we see this new orders, and we that assassin skill shadow shroud or something that makes the target untargetable by enchantment.

while that is true and all, I don't think this new orders will be used too much as it's certainly not spammable and would require team communication on when to use it for the best effect. As

1) it ony last 5 second (like all orders)
2) It cost 25 energy
3) you'll have to hit with that attack to strip an enchantment

this makes it different from the other orders which is more spammable and does not require much coordination.

Although, I will predict that as faction skills become more popularized, we'll see a gradual shift in moving away from enchantment protection. But as is, IWAY is still IWAY and the ways to defeat it is still the same as before.

tafy69 · May 13, 2006, 09:13 AM // 09:13

I wouldnt recommend SS necros casting on the IWAY pets, you want to cast on the warrior so that they stop attacking or get punished for it.

if you can keep 2 warriors with SS all the time and they stop attacking then thats 50% of their attack power gone right there. Think of the monks and damage reduction and not about damage.

Your warriors should be making the main kills

shardfenix · May 13, 2006, 09:35 AM // 09:35

When I was running Pi's rediculously powerful ranger spike, I fought a guild (not sure who it was) in courtyard who used NO enchantments, only wards and spirits. Their defensive power was amazing, and I have no doubt that they had to beat at least 2-3 iway groups to get there. We couldn't even touch them. Just an idea for beating iway, or any traditional build.

ayanaftw · May 14, 2006, 04:28 AM // 04:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon Shadowking

OK, so I've gotten a LOT of tips and tricks, and now I'm trying to make an actual team build to go up here. I have come up with the following. PLEASE make as many changes as you can, to both the actual content and the strategy. I've recieved a lot of conflicting advice, and so I'm just trying to do my best.

HEre we go:

2 W/Mo tanks
Job: Spirit hunters! Slay NR, EoE, and all other spirits! Also, kite IWAY warriors through wards.

1 E/Mo warder
Job: Ward. Spam both Ward against Melee and Ward against Foes. Heal party, too??

1 SS necro.
Job: Cast Spiteful Spirit on IWAY's PETS, not the actual warriors, and cause as much havoc as possible

1 E-Denial/CC Mesmer/Necro
Job: SPAM CONSUME CORPSE! Oh, and e-deny the orders as much as possible, too.

1 Anti-Condition Monk
Job: Keep IWAY's condition attack under control

1 Aegis- prot monk
Job: Spam Aegis and other prot spells

1 Healing monk.
Job: Heal the party.

So let me know how this looks, and provide any fixes you can to it! Thanks for all the help so far, let's keep posting!

sry but thats a one way ticket to ragequit.
1. i hope ur joking about the w/mo kiting iway warriors...
2. earth ele's bar is prolly full alrdy so heal party is way out of the question
3. ss on the pet is actully and really bad idea b/c pet die too fast aka too many corpses and too much to consume. + ss on the warriors takes pressure of the monks
4. e-surging work much better on their trapper, also if ur mes is using surge skills he wouldnt have energy to consume when he needs to.
5-8: u do know that condition removal is in prot spells right?

i dont like to put too much anti-iway in my builds, usually just go foes, shadow of fear, and ss.
still havent tried wail of doom but tats an option.

Tigers · May 15, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

The best way to defeat IWAY to me is a Rt/ with Soothing , Displacement , Shelter , Union. It owns IWAY. Today i owned IWAY they stood no chance against it , yes they killed the spirits but they were back up again in no time we won flawless and lost no more then 150 health in total gg ^^

/Tigers

The Noble Savage · May 22, 2006, 06:35 AM // 06:35

Now bring the skill that kills all this in... Order Of Apostasy. GG ouch ouch. Apostasy is ftl

mike00769 · May 22, 2006, 11:22 AM // 11:22

You can make your build as much anti IWAY as you would like but its as simple as this: players beat IWAY not the build. It's all a matter of how you play the match. Playing defensive in a build with little warrior hate, forcing the fight to enclose areas in a build with aoe dmg ect.

On another note nobel u can beat IWAY with out enchants or wards or traps u just need to play it right.

deathdela · May 22, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30

Ummm to beat iway how about staying in wards and having an aegis chain and having aoe damage. Its not difficult to beat iway people make it difficult by doing stupid things

pigdestroyer · May 22, 2006, 08:27 PM // 20:27

all this people doubting the power of IWAY are just talkers... while most of the time I play balanced (mesmer ftw)...

when I play r6+ iway we totally crush any balanced/spike/iway in our way... In fact the only maps where we lose are the holding ones againts good holding builds or defensive nec spike..

Caros · May 23, 2006, 12:31 AM // 00:31

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Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

all this people doubting the power of IWAY are just talkers... while most of the time I play balanced (mesmer ftw)...

when I play r6+ iway we totally crush any balanced/spike/iway in our way... In fact the only maps where we lose are the holding ones againts good holding builds or defensive nec spike..

Any bloodspike that loses 1 v 1 vs r6+ iway, ooa or not, needs to find a new build

Outkast · May 23, 2006, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caros

Any bloodspike that loses 1 v 1 vs r6+ iway, ooa or not, needs to find a new build

Your right, BS is probably worst build for IWAY to face.

However, if the IWAY team rushes and interupts the spike, gets the traps in amongst them and force them to go heal, it can be beaten. In fact, once you've dropped a couple necros it's incredible how quickly it crumbles.

IWAY can do good in relic runs against blood spike. Most IWAY try to go toe to toe with it, which is bad. Just keep running them relics and keep removing muddy terrain and you stand a much better chance.

Bag-o-Weed · May 23, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

I don't mean to post a stupid question, but, what is an iWay team consist of?

Outkast · May 23, 2006, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bag-o-Weed

I don't mean to post a stupid question, but, what is an iWay team consist of?

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Team_-_IWAY

ange1 · May 23, 2006, 03:17 PM // 15:17

have ur casters wand them trappers~