Curse

phoenixtech · Oct 05, 2006, 11:11 AM // 11:11

During the last 6 man weekend we were able to sucessfully modify IWAY and got around 1.5k fame with it (I had to take a day off or we'd prob get 2k+). One thing I noticed was that most of the IWAYers went to do the 3 VIM+ 3IWAY setup and I think one of the IWAY guilds ran OOV necro but I'm not sure how far they got with that.

Anyways, I'll post the exact 6 man setup we run once the new HOH is out since there might be some changes depending on what the new map objectives are.

for now I'll just post this as proof that IWAY can still be ran sucessfully in 6 man.

Lykan · Oct 05, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

And this is why 6vs6 wont change a thing.

Legendary Shiz · Oct 05, 2006, 02:02 PM // 14:02

How depressing

Kabale · Oct 05, 2006, 02:39 PM // 14:39

I don't think posting a HoH win really proves anything tbh.

I see the last character is a monk.

Morgoth the dark · Oct 05, 2006, 04:23 PM // 16:23

dude at 4 in the morning i hold hoh with henchway.... lol

and last one is a monk

ok we'll see about that.

phoenixtech · Oct 05, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by Morgoth the dark

dude at 4 in the morning i hold hoh with henchway.... lol

and last one is a monk

ok we'll see about that.

dude, during the last 6 man event getting to HOH meant you had to go through alot of top teams, obviously you did not participate in it.

And yes, the last character is a monk, but no matter how much we adapt it'll still be "IWAY" right LOL I thought using a monk automatically makes you "balanced" anyways. Kinda funny since dual smite/vim was 90% of the builds that were ran and another 9% was melandrus/apply poison degen setup during the last 6 MAN event yet people will still SHIT on you for using IWAYwarriors no matter what you do. Yet it is perfectly okay to run a 3x R/W thumpers frontline because that's "balanced" and automatically takes more SKILLZ.

Legendary Shiz · Oct 05, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by phoenixtech

dude, during the last 6 man event getting to HOH meant you had to go through alot of top teams, obviously you did not participate in it.

And yes, the last character is a monk, but no matter how much we adapt it'll still be "IWAY" right LOL I thought using a monk automatically makes you "balanced" anyways. Kinda funny since dual smite/vim was 90% of the builds that were ran and another 9% was melandrus/apply poison degen setup during the last 6 MAN event yet people will still SHIT on you for using IWAYwarriors no matter what you do. Yet it is perfectly okay to run a 3x R/W thumpers frontline because that's "balanced" and automatically takes more SKILLZ.

LOL are you seriously getting mad because you're getting a bad attitude from players because you're playing IWAY? How else would we react.

And if you're honestly trying to compair a thumper to an IWAY war in terms of imbalanced, either A) you've never played anything but IWAY or B) you just don't enjoy thinking.

If you play IWAY prepair to be flamed. The hardest part about IWAY is occasionally you might want to throw out a rupt.

Skuld · Oct 05, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Not IWAY.

neoflame · Oct 05, 2006, 08:30 PM // 20:30

I have an awesome 6v6 IWAY build too. All you have to do is drop 2 warriors, change the order necros to monks, and change the trappers to cripshot and MA!

dbgtboy · Oct 05, 2006, 09:25 PM // 21:25

I made 17k fame off of iway and then i quit the game. Obviously during the 6 player weekend iway would work very well and beat top teams (i rarely used to lose to any team in 1 vs 1 when i was still playing) because nobody thought people would mod iway to 6 man and didnt bring anything to counter it, if your new iway or whatever continues to get played a lot, people will bring counters to it and you wont win as much. People were playing full offense builds during that weekend without that much defense to rack in as much fame as possible (i think, but not sure since i quit the game 2 months ago).

phoenixtech · Oct 05, 2006, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by dbgtboy

I made 17k fame off of iway and then i quit the game. Obviously during the 6 player weekend iway would work very well and beat top teams (i rarely used to lose to any team in 1 vs 1 when i was still playing) because nobody thought people would mod iway to 6 man and didnt bring anything to counter it, if your new iway or whatever continues to get played a lot, people will bring counters to it and you wont win as much. People were playing full offense builds during that weekend without that much defense to rack in as much fame as possible (i think, but not sure since i quit the game 2 months ago).

What 6v6 does is make the build vs build difference even more pronounced. I simply read the metagame of what people ran at the time (VIM/Thumper Smite/Crip shot + MA) and tweaked IWAY to counter those builds. If people caught on and started to bring counter to whatever setup I ran I'll simply make new tweaks and counter them back, it won't be an issue.

B Ephekt · Oct 05, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Learn to play a new build, ffs.

phoenixtech · Oct 05, 2006, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

Learn to play a new build, ffs.

/Smackhead

Of course, I should be abusing D/Mo, what was I thinking!

FYI, the IWAY I run even in 8 man uses "fear me". Of course since we have W/R it's automatically labeled "IWAY" and when we used A/W frontline using the same exact principle it's called "balanced". Shows you how much people understand the game mechanics.

comonnow · Oct 05, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

Well unfortunately I'm gonna have to agree with Pheonixtech on this one. People dont really bash on people for running Thumperway in GvG (when it was really good at least) even though its basically IWAY with monks, and takes probably less skill to run than iway does, b/c at least you have monks watching your back.

If they changed the wars around it wouldnt be iway and people wouldnt complain, but they are just wars that people decided work well...

I hate playing against IWAY just as much as anyone else, but there isnt any reason to flame it really, everyone know it exists in HA, a lot of it. So here are your options, make DIRECT counters to it in your build, or just try to fight it and stop complaining.

If you complain, its your own fault for either thinking you could beat it with no counters, or sucking at the game.

B Ephekt · Oct 05, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by phoenixtech

/Smackhead

Of course, I should be abusing D/Mo, what was I thinking!

FYI, the IWAY I run even in 8 man uses "fear me". Of course since we have W/R it's automatically labeled "IWAY" and when we used A/W frontline using the same exact principle it's called "balanced". Shows you how much people understand the game mechanics.

I wasn't in on the D/Mo thing, so no comment.

But seriously, you're touting the mods you've made to IWAY, and I guess that's cool and all, but you're still only adding one or two skills to the same old build. Why not try balanced or something else for a while? I can't imagine playing the same build for so long without getting bored, and seriously, I think everyone in HA is tired fighting against IWAY at this point. It's just so boring.

Also, I'm pretty sure people still call it IWAY due to the IAS shout being used, although I might just be crazy. And I'm not really sure how the addidion of an A/W would make it a balanced build, but whatever makes you happy I guess.

No offense man, I won't call you a noob or scrub or anything, I'd just like to see people get a little more creative than W/Rs with Fear Me or IWAY assassins.

Bacon Goes Monk · Oct 05, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

As if HA becoming 6v6 wasn't bad enough, people still want to continue to run IWAY. Shows a bright future for the new HA, doesn't it.

phoenixtech · Oct 05, 2006, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

I wasn't in on the D/Mo thing, so no comment.

But seriously, you're touting the mods you've made to IWAY, and I guess that's cool and all, but you're still only adding one or two skills to the same old build. Why not try balanced or something else for a while? I can't imagine playing the same build for so long without getting bored, and seriously, I think everyone in HA is tired fighting against IWAY at this point. It's just so boring.

Also, I'm pretty sure people still call it IWAY due to the IAS shout being used, although I might just be crazy. And I'm not really sure how the addidion of an A/W would make it a balanced build, but whatever makes you happy I guess.

No offense man, I won't call you a noob or scrub or anything, I'd just like to see people get a little more creative than W/Rs with Fear Me or IWAY assassins.

er, our fear me Asn build was

3x A/W
3x N/Mo
2x Rangers

What are they gonna IWAY off of? Dead allies? The principle was to spam fear me using the sin fast attacks and stack OOP/OOA on top of it, the IWAY skill wasn't in the build. I'm sure other people have ran the 3x A/W setup but most of them don't run the OOA (and you need to remove channeling or else the fear me won't have much effect).

Also, I do run balanced. I've ran balanced for the longest time. I've ran "balanced" when it was 2x E-surge or 2x Migraine. I eventually got fed up with how long it friggin takes for make a stupid team. Let me tell you something. Balanced is even more boring to play/fight against. I remember the old 2x e-surge/diversion spam games where it'd takes 30 minutes each match. Let's look at "Balanced" builds for the last year or so.

Balanced: STILL the same stupid 3 monk backline. 1 Warder. 2x Melee (shock wars), 2x "Utility". Here the ONLY evolution to "balanced" was changing 2x e-surge mesmers/migraine mesmers to 2x choking gas rangers. WOW, how about the "balanced" camp getting more creative for a change.

I mean atleast IWAY went from 4x W/R, OOV, Tainted Necro, Martyr Trapper to 3x W/R, FC mesmer, OOA, OOP, Full trapper and oath shot. Hell people even ran ritual lord for a while.

Clinically Proven · Oct 06, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

Dude, welcome to balanced. You ruined your 'HA trash' (oops I meant IWAY) position by adding a monk

Teh Mighty Warrior · Oct 06, 2006, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

I wasn't in on the D/Mo thing, so no comment.

But seriously, you're touting the mods you've made to IWAY, and I guess that's cool and all, but you're still only adding one or two skills to the same old build. Why not try balanced or something else for a while? I can't imagine playing the same build for so long without getting bored, and seriously, I think everyone in HA is tired fighting against IWAY at this point. It's just so boring.

Also, I'm pretty sure people still call it IWAY due to the IAS shout being used, although I might just be crazy. And I'm not really sure how the addidion of an A/W would make it a balanced build, but whatever makes you happy I guess.

No offense man, I won't call you a noob or scrub or anything, I'd just like to see people get a little more creative than W/Rs with Fear Me or IWAY assassins.

Hmm...someone from spearmen is making fun of someone for not being creative. All I know spearmen for is for running gimmick builds (d/mo and spearchuckers comes to mind quite fast).

It's not boring playing iway, and IWAY has been dying out. As soon as you people see an excess of 2 w/r the flaming and bitching about iway begins. I couldn't care less about IWAY, but it pisses me off when you start complaining about how uncreative and boring it is to play it. Get over it. No offense, but why the hell would you care about someone's creativity?

Yunas Ele · Oct 06, 2006, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

LOL are you seriously getting mad because you're getting a bad attitude from players because you're playing IWAY? How else would we react.

And if you're honestly trying to compair a thumper to an IWAY war in terms of imbalanced, either A) you've never played anything but IWAY or B) you just don't enjoy thinking.

If you play IWAY prepair to be flamed. The hardest part about IWAY is occasionally you might want to throw out a rupt.

Wait, wait, let me get this straight. Someone whos in a strictly barrageway guild, which doesn't take any more skill than IWAY is giving **** to an IWAYer? Hypocrite, anyone?

And for the record I quit IWAY nearly 2 month ago so don't start flaming me ~.~