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Hildi · Sep 20, 2006, 03:59 PM // 15:59

I am currently undergoing transforming my monk so he is GvG rdy and I was wondering what are the best weapons sets to be carrying. I know you want +5nrg sword/axe in one weapon set, and have a shield to help hide nrg, but what are the others and how are the best combined (I know it is a very complicated topic and a lot depends on the preference to the player, but any information will be helpful.)

Also, if there is already another post discussing this, can you plz direct it to me and not just say 'nuub use the search' b/c I've tried that.

moriz · Sep 20, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28

equipting a pve monk for gvg is an expensive preposition. here's a general list of what you might need:

+5 energy sword/"charr at the gates" sword with +30 health
-5 energy sword with +30 health
+15 energy/-1 energy regen wand with +30 health
+30 health/-5 damage reduction (20%) shield
+15 energy/-1 energy regen focus with +30 health
20% faster recharge focus with +30 health

the attributes are up to you. i personally use healing prayers since i tend to use GoH a lot.

here's how you put it together:
set 1: +5 energy sword/"charr at the gate sword with +30 health, 20% faster recharge focus with +30 health

set 2: -5 energy sword with +30 health, 30/-5 shield

set 3: +5 energy sword/"charr at the gate sword with +30 health, +15 energy/-5 energy regen focus with +30 health

set 4: +15 energy/-5 energy regen wand with +30 health, +15 energy/-5 energy regen focus with +30 health

set 1 is your main set. set 2 is the anti e-denial set. set 3 is for emergency energy, and set 4 is for emergency energy x2 and wanding.

with this setup and wearing Judge's Armor with a superior vigor, you will have a nice 590 hp without a superior divine rune.

this is basically how i set up my pvp monk. i know it's probably not the optimal setup, but it works very well for me.

Thom Bangalter · Sep 20, 2006, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Because I'm nice:
http://www.team-iq.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=1656

hope that helps.

Hildi · Sep 20, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

Thanks, and you are nice Thom

romO · Sep 20, 2006, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I can provide rationale for weapon sets at a later time (aka when I don't have class in 10 minutes), but as for now, you can have a look at what I use on my monk.

Set one:
+5 energy sword +30 health
+30 health +5 armor physical focus

Set two:
+55 health axe (or +5 armor ench +30 health sword)
+30 health +10 armor vs x (slashing, blunt, piercing, fire, lightning, cold, earth) shield

Set three:
+5 energy > 50 +20% recharge inspiration wand
+30 health +20% recharge inspiration focus

Set four:
+15 energy -1 energy regen wand
+15 energy -1 energy regen +30 health focus

holden · Sep 20, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

Because I'm nice:
http://www.team-iq.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=1656

hope that helps.

this is great Thom

romO · Sep 21, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Can someone please explain to me why in the world you would run two emergency sets (one with 15/-1 and the other with 30/-2), or if you just run one, having it be only 15/-1? Because that doesn't make any sense.

I have one response in mind, and I really hope to God that it isn't the real answer, but it's what I'm afraid of. So just let me hear it.

klrp · Sep 21, 2006, 09:02 AM // 09:02

Where I can get +5 energy sword and -5?

MAdnRisKy · Sep 21, 2006, 09:20 AM // 09:20

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Originally Posted by romO

Can someone please explain to me why in the world you would run two emergency sets (one with 15/-1 and the other with 30/-2), or if you just run one, having it be only 15/-1? Because that doesn't make any sense.

I have one response in mind, and I really hope to God that it isn't the real answer, but it's what I'm afraid of. So just let me hear it.

switching out to use energy drain? and wanting a possible fast recharge? (keep focus with recharge +30 health insp, lose added recharge on wand for 15/-1)

not that people are using energy drain any more.

because if I get gale surge burn caught I'd rather lose 15 not 30?

becasue -1 regen is less worse than -2 regen for however long you leave the set out?

(which one of those were you thinking of?)

JR · Sep 21, 2006, 09:31 AM // 09:31

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Originally Posted by MAdnRisKy

switching out to use energy drain? and wanting a possible fast recharge? (keep focus with recharge +30 health insp, lose added recharge on wand for 15/-1)

For how infrequently you should be doing that, it really isn't worth it at all. Ideally if you are on top of your focus switching, then you are sat in your negative energy set and switching to your dual recharge set to Drain.

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Originally Posted by MAdnRisKy

not that people are using energy drain any more.

Don't be ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by MAdnRisKy

because if I get gale surge burn caught I'd rather lose 15 not 30?

Surge + Burn = -16 energy.

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Originally Posted by MAdnRisKy

becasue -1 regen is less worse than -2 regen for however long you leave the set out?

You shouldn't leave it out at all. Switch to it, cast, switch back for the full regen.

sir lockt · Sep 21, 2006, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by romO

Can someone please explain to me why in the world you would run two emergency sets (one with 15/-1 and the other with 30/-2), or if you just run one, having it be only 15/-1? Because that doesn't make any sense.

I have one response in mind, and I really hope to God that it isn't the real answer, but it's what I'm afraid of. So just let me hear it.

I often ran it to use active energy management (like the activation of MoR or E-drain). After casting these skills you should swap back. If you are forced to stick on the +energy set you are screwed unless you just gain the edge of the battle...

Still for me the 2 plus weapons is a bit to much and when facing burn/surge I dont swap between ++ and + or + and normal, but between normal and -.

@JR: QFT

romO · Sep 21, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by JR-

For how infrequently you should be doing that, it really isn't worth it at all. Ideally if you are on top of your focus switching, then you are sat in your negative energy set and switching to your dual recharge set to Drain.

Don't be ridiculous.

Surge + Burn = -16 energy.

You shouldn't leave it out at all. Switch to it, cast, switch back for the full regen.

*Ding ding ding*

JR, I think I want to have your babies. I was just about to make this exact post.

And anyway, the response that I really feared is that people were using the +energy sets as a permanent solution, as in staying on them for extended periods of time (longer than 1-2 seconds). That's not what weapon sets are for. Every time a skill is cast, a weapon slot should be swapped (unless you are at absolutely full energy and are not casting an e-management skill) in order to get extra energy or maximum efficiency out of the skill. Otherwise, stay in the shield+charr sword/hod axe set. I've just seen a frightening number of people remaining in their +energy set for 10 seconds at a time and I've always just wondered what they're thinking. If that is what people are using that set for, their team is going to wipe regardless of how much extra energy they instantaneously get.

JR · Sep 21, 2006, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by romO

JR, I think I want to have your babies.

Omgosh e-wedding plz. Digi can arrange it.

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Originally Posted by romO

And anyway, the response that I really feared is that people were using the +energy sets as a permanent solution, as in staying on them for extended periods of time (longer than 1-2 seconds). That's not what weapon sets are for. Every time a skill is cast, a weapon slot should be swapped (unless you are at absolutely full energy and are not casting an e-management skill) in order to get extra energy or maximum efficiency out of the skill. Otherwise, stay in the shield+charr sword/hod axe set. I've just seen a frightening number of people remaining in their +energy set for 10 seconds at a time and I've always just wondered what they're thinking. If that is what people are using that set for, their team is going to wipe regardless of how much extra energy they instantaneously get.

Indeed. For every second you needlessly stay in your +energy set, you are effectively energy denying yourself.

moriz · Sep 21, 2006, 03:31 PM // 15:31

for the record, i have never actually had to use my +30/-2 set, except for the occasional time when i had to wand to kill a target. it's there because... it's just nice to have. it's good to know that if i really, really need the extra energy, it's there.

there were times, though, when i had to stay in my +15/-1 set for extended periods of time (like 5-8 seconds). that usually occurs when the other monk (a GoH boon prot) completely runs out of energy. in those situations, i had to use my BL monk to handle double the healing load. without elite e-management, i had to resort to it to keep the team afloat until the GoH boon prot's energy management kicks in. fortunately this does not occur often.

Drewfense · Sep 21, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by sir lockt

I often ran it to use active energy management (like the activation of MoR or E-drain). After casting these skills you should swap back. If you are forced to stick on the +energy set you are screwed unless you just gain the edge of the battle...

Still for me the 2 plus weapons is a bit to much and when facing burn/surge I dont swap between ++ and + or + and normal, but between normal and -.

@JR: QFT

ok e-noob moment cause I'm tired of living in the dark. What does QFT mean?

holden · Sep 21, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

quoted for truth

romO · Sep 21, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by moriz

for the record, i have never actually had to use my +30/-2 set, except for the occasional time when i had to wand to kill a target. it's there because... it's just nice to have. it's good to know that if i really, really need the extra energy, it's there..

That's a problem. How many GvG's have you played? Assuming you have played more than five or so, if you haven't had to dip into that high energy set, you may want to get used to it. It really is your friend. And please don't try to respond with "I have never used it because I have never needed it", because there are always instances when a team wipes to overbearing pressure and one of the monks lived. Ideally, before that point, you would have been swapping to your high energy each time you needed to cast.

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Originally Posted by moriz

there were times, though, when i had to stay in my +15/-1 set for extended periods of time (like 5-8 seconds). that usually occurs when the other monk (a GoH boon prot) completely runs out of energy. in those situations, i had to use my BL monk to handle double the healing load. without elite e-management, i had to resort to it to keep the team afloat until the GoH boon prot's energy management kicks in. fortunately this does not occur often.

GAH@!!@!@!@
This is what we have been trying to get at! Please don't do that! You are only hurting yourself. If you need more energy than you have remaining in your base sets, swap to your plus energy set and cast one spell, then swap back. The next time you need to cast, swap once again, rinse, and repeat. Hiding energy is not only good against energy denial, as it also restores your energy regen from sets which cause it to diminish. If you are only in the -2 regen set for one second, you are only going to lose .67 energy each time you cast, and get a much larger energy pool to work with in return, whereas staying in it needlessly for 5-8 seconds makes you lose 3.33-5.33 energy with no benefit. There is no way that you were spamming for 5-8 seconds, because you only said that you received an additional 15 energy from your sets and that's 2-3 extra spells. The rest of those 5-8 seconds, you were letting your energy degenerate. Basically, if you don't need the energy at that precise moment, then don't sit in your minus energy regen set. If you do, then swap to it, cast, and swap back.

Ensign · Sep 21, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

At least for me, I only have the staggered emergency sets when there's nothing that I want in that fourth set on a particular character. First three sets being:

1) low energy, high defense (shield) set
2) "normal" set with focus or staff, four pips
3) emergency set

Your fourth set is going to duplicate the core functionality of one of these sets - dual 20% recharge on Inspiration in addition to a sword/focus set in romO's case. If nothing attractive comes to mind, staggered emergency sets aren't the worst thing.

Personally, the only reason I use staggered sets, or a single +15/-1 item, is on characters where I really want the enchanting part on my emergency set.

Peace,
-CxE

moriz · Sep 21, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

i find that weapon switching lags a little bit. for example, if i switch from set 1 (normal) to set 3 (high energy) and immediately try to cast, the weapon bar will automatically switch back to set 1, so i get a "you don't have enough energy" message. i have no idea how you guys combat this, but if i try to quickly switch between weapon sets, the slight lag can often mean that everything's delayed, and i get no spells off.

and for the record: i've been in about... 25-30ish gvgs now. and i can honestly say that i had never used my double emergency energy set except to wand the occasional target. i never had the need. i have, however, used my +15/-1 energy set on numerous occasions.

Thom Bangalter · Sep 22, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

At least for me, I only have the staggered emergency sets when there's nothing that I want in that fourth set on a particular character. First three sets being:

1) low energy, high defense (shield) set
2) "normal" set with focus or staff, four pips
3) emergency set

Your fourth set is going to duplicate the core functionality of one of these sets - dual 20% recharge on Inspiration in addition to a sword/focus set in romO's case. If nothing attractive comes to mind, staggered emergency sets aren't the worst thing.

Personally, the only reason I use staggered sets, or a single +15/-1 item, is on characters where I really want the enchanting part on my emergency set.

Peace,
-CxE

i run something similar on my ele because ensign told me to. Razarjan's fervor/jacquei's aegis slot 1, fervor/effigy slot 2, fervor/15-1 offhand slot 3, and a staff slot 4.

As for staying in your emergency set: absolutely terrible. I will switch to it to get a deep freeze off or something "big", then switch back, only to realize I'm sitting at 0 energy and need to switch back to the emergency set to get an ether prodigy off to get into some energy gain. this is on an ele, so ep helps out a lot, I can only imagine what happens on a monk where you don't have a skill like that to bail you out.