Curse

phasola · Oct 14, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

it's just as bad as before
we had b spike & iway
now we have conditions & dual smite
the only difference is that most of the old players have alreay left and we have "new" players, like stance spikers & stuff
6 v 6 is getting really old really fast

Jha Jha · Oct 15, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Zoo X

i am a GvG player by heart, if not playing GvG ill find myself at TA, eventually i do a bit of PvE in order to cap skills, and once in a blue moon, i play tombs, as a gvg player i am use to evolve with the game, must be one of the things that gvg players have in common, we are flexible, you have to be willing to change as the metagame drift.
i understand some people are really upset abount anet decision to make tombs a 6 vs 6 "arena" , i am sorry if you can not longer run the build you ve been running for the last 6 months, i am sorry that you are not longer able to play with your best 8 friedns at game, i am sorry if all the tactics you had in mind are not longer valid and you need a new ones.
But there is one thig at GW that i do belive most people here we can and we should agree, anet effords to keep this game evolving and "balance" are just brilliant, and i really think we should be happy to know anet is taking care of things( most of the times) another ways we would still suffering at GvG guild lords ganks right at the start, warriors high on gale, spiritspammers at tombs, old fashion smites and so on
so the bad news for some people, sorry guys, you just bought the wrong game, this game is gonna be evolving as longer people keep playing it, you just been caught in the middle of a big breakthrough in terms of a evolution, so my advice for you, evolve, or buy another game, remenber, evolution never goes backward, move on, evolve, adapt yourself and claim the kingdom back.
peace people

Zoo X...you can take w/e im going to call you right now how ever you want it but in all seriousness you dumb as shet. you know very little about tombs seeing how you dont play it much...And to be really honest with you I bet your still the one in back in the day with out evolving at all..now dont think I said this without providing any statements and research cuz im not finished yet..You got me provoked enough to write a essay (ill make it as short as I can seeing I gota go soon)

1. I will agree with you on seeing how it might be much easier for a all out gvger to go to tombs and being good, and how it might be a bit difficult for a tombs player to get used to gvg because of obvious resasons you as a "evolved individual" should know w/o me telling you.

But here is something that you probly dont know (and ill try to use as less examples from my experience and my guilds in this)..You little Champion title that you and your "highly evolved GVG posse" get from High Rated GvG will mean piss...you know why...cuz after 1 weeks worth of GvGing about 2-3+ hours a day only...we got em also, and many are on their way to Championship #2..Your on some Distortion shet right now thinking that we as tombs only players are in a jam because we cannot apply our....

"i am sorry if you can not longer run the build you ve been running for the last 6 months, i am sorry that you are not longer able to play with your best 8 friedns at game, i am sorry if all the tactics you had in mind are not longer valid and you need a new ones."...

And to be really honest with you dude...atleast from my point of veiw of someone who watches observer mode like..never...GVG is more generic then tombs...and top 10 guilds right now are running champion point fame farming builds (forms of obs flame spike) and if they aint they running 1-2 warriors 1-2 mesmers that SPAM distortion like there is no tommorow (that skill needs a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing nerf to like lossing 5 mana atleast btw

or not be to spammable) 2 monks and a Emo that spread his attribute points in Air/Heal/Prot/ and energy storage..oh and some assaasin to gank npcs...I mean if my evaluation of this is completely wrong I appologize but thats how it is in my eyes...
Im not gona hate and I will say gvg is where its at when it comes to a strategic level and if people do wana spend 20-25 mins to get that 1st kill...its alright...GVG has it rewards also which I alrdy pointed out..(their being farmed right now btw just how we farm fame)
So whats do you think as a "highly evolved individual" like you say you could be..anet gona screw up a gvg system cuz motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOers are farming champ points now ect? hell If needed be a guild that never gvged can apply tombs spike strat and go get em selves silvers cape trimming and they can start in the middle of a gvg season...Something aint right there dont you think?

Now you say..
"as a gvg player i am use to evolve with the game, must be one of the things that gvg players have in common,"

Well us "tombs players" also have many MANY things in common...you know being hardcore tombs players and all..and YES there are hardcore tombs players so dont even think of saying there arent.

We adapted to the change that "you know what ANET just WONT remove IWAY" so how did we evolve through that...we bring more defese...nothing a smart Earth Elementalist cant handle by himself spending 10-15 mana smothering a place in a glowing circle and adding dmg pressure ALSO..us tombs player evolved through more bullshet then GVG players like your self cant even imagine bro..and Im not going to go 16 months ago..

I hope most will agree that if you wanted to kill fast you would tomb...if you wanted a more strategic/tactical approach to pvp in GW you can go GVG....did I make a good point there or what?

This little "evolving" manuever that ANET did was one of the biggest unthough of things they probly ever did...motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOers did care for 6v6 ..they did for double fame and boy did ppl over farm that with great joy because it might have been JUST that missing puzzle peice to rank 12.
Anet did this w/o any thinking at all..and I know they are laughing at us tombs player and they going to laugh at my post and most of you will also.

And im going to make a hypotetical situation right now and you probly will feel like im calling you out but its really not my intention..rdy check this out..

Dont be mad/surprized when a tombs player like myself for over 17+ months has more Championship points then you with a silver cape trimming also.

LOL...this was fun ...its long i Know but you sir provoked me...but its ok man im not mad at you man i know your a good guy and you have good intentions but next time if you dont know something dont make any statements w/o any research..

I hope you reply to me..but I strongly feel I shut you down (on the internet) LOL

Nurse With Wound · Oct 15, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Guys, lets not turn this debate into HA vs GVG, because those two pvp modes are totally different, and comparing them simply doesnt make sense... No one is "more skilled" as well, there are gimmicks and easy froms of farming in both. For example one of the allied guilds is farming championship points with obspike.... They already have a lot of those and are in top 100 on the ladder. I saw them winning with this even against Smart People and other respected guilds.

All we ( balanced HA players ) want is the old HA back... The current state of Heroes Ascent saddens me.. Henchway, henchway, henchway, smite, smite, smite..... Its getting worse day by day.... And more and more people are leaving. Today we got lots of skips, and there were only 3 International disctics! In Saturday! So much for lots of new players....

Jha Jha · Oct 15, 2006, 02:42 AM // 02:42

your right I might have went a bit loco but I feel the need to stick up for someting I enjoy and if need be say what I think needs to be said
btw this is the peson you talked to in PM from and [then] guild

keep up the good work man, i love reading your posts seeing as how you provide theral information and research..

in other news ive sent a few bug reports thru gw support website with our little link to petition thread..*shrugs* maybe they read it

Phrozen_ · Oct 15, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

HA is such a waste of time now...

and there are so many henchways out there - getting 12v6 on broken tower like all the time and the team ganking us is always some henchway with only two guys in it - they should remove the henchies or take one or two out.

Nurse With Wound · Oct 15, 2006, 06:26 AM // 06:26

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Originally Posted by Jha Jha

in other news ive sent a few bug reports thru gw support website with our little link to petition thread..*shrugs* maybe they read it

Yes, maybe they will, and maybe they will actually open their eyes, and start to analyze what this change brought to HA, instead of feeding us with lies no one believes anyway...

Also, say hi to [Then] crew, from [CASH]

Mighti · Oct 15, 2006, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Jha Jha

-long post-

First of all you're doing the same thing as the one you quoted; you know nothing about gvg and still condemn it just as Zoo did with HA.
There are more changes to the gvg metagame in one season than in one year of tombs. But as this is thread about HA and you're not interested in GvG anyway this is beside the point.

I was a hardcore tombsplayer myself until about half a year ago but the stagnancy there simply bored the hell out of me.
I honestly can't say very much about the 6v6 HA now, as I only did a few runs with my guild (loved the preview event though) but I like it better simply for the fact that with 6 players needed (in contrast to the 8 for gvg) it can actually be considered going there again.
Also the lack of the typical altar-utilities on every team (dual psychic distraction/seeking+practiced, spellbreaker, ward of stability and such) does appeal to me. Not every team can afford having those plus triple aegis and a fullwarder now; and that was really something that always had pissed me off...every team taking like 63 defensive skills.
I can see why someone liking 8v8 HA may be disappointed though.

PS:
To me your post sounds like as if all you're interested in is rank/fame and champpoints, not fun...

stueyman2099 · Oct 15, 2006, 10:49 AM // 10:49

regarding the variety of build seen in HA, this has to do with having a stable metagame. 6 man is still relativly new, and people aren't sure what the ststrongest things to run there are, therefore the variety. Then, you start to see it settle (heavy condi and smite) Thats just the way it works. Just give it some time, it will stabalize and you will start seeing the same builds run over and over.

Jha Jha · Oct 15, 2006, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by Mighti

First of all you're doing the same thing as the one you quoted; you know nothing about gvg and still condemn it just as Zoo did with HA.
There are more changes to the gvg metagame in one season than in one year of tombs. But as this is thread about HA and you're not interested in GvG anyway this is beside the point.

I was a hardcore tombsplayer myself until about half a year ago but the stagnancy there simply bored the hell out of me.
I honestly can't say very much about the 6v6 HA now, as I only did a few runs with my guild (loved the preview event though) but I like it better simply for the fact that with 6 players needed (in contrast to the 8 for gvg) it can actually be considered going there again.
Also the lack of the typical altar-utilities on every team (dual psychic distraction/seeking+practiced, spellbreaker, ward of stability and such) does appeal to me. Not every team can afford having those plus triple aegis and a fullwarder now; and that was really something that always had pissed me off...every team taking like 63 defensive skills.
I can see why someone liking 8v8 HA may be disappointed though.

PS:
To me your post sounds like as if all you're interested in is rank/fame and champpoints, not fun...

Again im getting hit with people that post with understatements w.o any research..Dont worry dude ill keep this much shorter then my previous one.
How in the world are you going to tell me I know nothing about gvg? I dont mind arguing with you on this topic (offtopic ish) and i know gvg has had it changes as well but tombs player had to go thru much more crap then gvg and after all of that still remain to pvp in that arena..So for a 16+ month non stop tombs player like me to go with a guild of the same experience and get to top 50 and many championship points (which mean nothing I know) in the time frame of 2 weeks is pretty damn good judging wer all fresh to hardcore gvging...how did we survive if we know nothing about gvg...seriously if you want me to agree with you...provide legit information when you talk to me next time..go watch observer mode and see what people run..that why anet implemented that thing...cept i use it not to steal builds but to see if everyone is running the same thing...wer not interetsted in our rank points/titles because we dont show them in publick anyway because there is no need...but like I said its pretty damn good to get to where we got today in 2 weeks worth..something many cant do in 1 full season..and u got the nuts to say I (we) dont know gvg....

The only thing I will flat out say is that ima crappy flag runer that is ALL.

I hope i didnt hit any nerves

phasola · Oct 15, 2006, 04:18 PM // 16:18

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egarding the variety of build seen in HA, this has to do with having a stable metagame. 6 man is still relativly new, and people aren't sure what the ststrongest things to run there are, therefore the variety. Then, you start to see it settle (heavy condi and smite) Thats just the way it works. Just give it some time, it will stabalize and you will start seeing the same builds run over and over.

in a few months there will be no one left in HA

Mighti · Oct 15, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Jha Jha

how did we survive if we know nothing about gvg...seriously if you want me to agree with you...provide legit information when you talk to me next time..go watch observer mode and see what people run..that why anet implemented that thing...cept i use it not to steal builds but to see if everyone is running the same thing...wer not interetsted in our rank points/titles because we dont show them in publick anyway because there is no need...but like I said its pretty damn good to get to where we got today in 2 weeks worth..something many cant do in 1 full season..and u got the nuts to say I (we) dont know gvg....

Every noob can obsispike.

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I hope i didnt hit any nerves

Jha Jha · Oct 15, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Originally Posted by Mighti

Every noob can obsispike.

And why would be noobs because we obs flame spike? Again your using understatments w/o any research. You can counter obs flame spike easy..every character is a softy with 60 armor on (if not using armor of earth ofcourse)...even with obs flame spike there are strategies and tactics you have to do to survive..you still have to run flags, play defensive like in any build...single enemy morale boost in the end can screw a obs flame spike really bad...

And ill be honest man..and you and everyone else engrave this in your memory...Tombs rank/GvG champ point ranks/and even gvg ranks (since about half of top 16 ranked guild are running obs flame spike) mean nothings.

And nobody is guilty of running any type of a build...a rank 12 iwayer is not guilty of running IWAY for his fame, just like everyone else running obs flame spike to farm points and get silver capes is not guilty for running obs flame...with any build in gvg tactics comes into play has nothing to do with the build...

So...what am I guilty of Mighty?..Being a gvg farmer? I guess I "evolved" differently then you..

Provide good points next time bro

Sol Is Pyrrhus · Oct 15, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by phasola

in a few months there will be no one left in HA

By that, I assume you mean to say that there will be no more QQing self proclaimed HA purists in HA in a few months...

No more

please.

Divine One · Oct 15, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Wow okay enough with the GvG vs Tombs fight...

Like some people have already pointed out, the HA population has dwindled enormously. It's now half the size it usually was during peak hours and thats because a lot of high ranked players have just stepped out for good. I was in there yesterday during Saturday Prime Time, and most of the teams there were R3?

I agree and disagree with the statement that HA will be empty in a month. It will indeed be empty of high ranked players who knew the way Tombs was pre-change, and much more full of the lower ranked players who have just started picking up Tombs because of the less daunting team sizes.

And yes, I agree henchway needs to get fixed. Its WAY too easy for people to make henchways now that they don't need to spam "Henchway LF leavers!"

Heh... imagine what would happen if a few months down the line Anet decides to "freshen" up Tombs again and make it 8v8. Those of us who knew 8v8 will be like WOOT and suddenly there's going to be threads here in Guru made by all those people who started Tombing because of 6v6. Rofl... "Why did Anet have to change it to 8v8! 6v6 was SO much better because..."

If Anet fixes this issue, it better be soon before too many people get used to this new arena.

phasola · Oct 15, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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By that, I assume you mean to say that there will be no more QQing self proclaimed HA purists in HA in a few months...

O RLY ?
there's 4 districts atm, there were usually 6
and i'm not worried, with people as you, HA has to become something better than it was...

Mental Leteci · Oct 15, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

ANet take me with you. I'll teach you how to run business. You don't just remove something you have put in game from the start. Nubs.

luilui · Oct 16, 2006, 12:06 PM // 12:06

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Originally Posted by Y O U Lo Se

Don't feel like discussing about politics here, but I think you get my point, if you do not agree with a change then dont just sit down and cry but start to take action on the forums, because that's what they are for, if you don't like that, then don't read this forums. I payed for this game and I think I got the right to discuss here as much as you do.

QFT.

lol jha jha u guys are my hero, owning those so called highly skilled leet gvgers with one the lamest builds in HA(seriously no offence but ob flame is lame). Thanks to you now i dont need to take any crap from gvg players anymore.

JR · Oct 16, 2006, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by Jha Jha

So...what am I guilty of Mighty?

Guilty of being a scrub, in the technical gaming related non-insulting sense of the word of course.

Jha Jha · Oct 16, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by JR-

Guilty of being a scrub, in the technical gaming related non-insulting sense of the word of course.

^ gotcha

But thats still an understatement w/o any good research...I dont see why Im a scrub or anybody else running these type of builds being as tho everyone in top 20's is running it to farm it....Remeber those guilds that resigned and ppl got they rank and rating up and champ point from that..they aint scrubs imo..sure they went a really gay way about it but i doubt they lost sleep over it....Jelousy might come into play on his behalf thought

nobody is guilt of anything on Guildwars for w/e path they choose to play or ANY internet related game that has rewards like these...

Guildwars has lost all of its potential and prinicapals a LONG time ago so aint no point about getting mad and calling people scrubs about it...cuz if your the one on the winning side everything else around ya dont matter (ofcourse even with lame builds u gota still use tacticst and strategy so there aint no balance to argue about it)

Hows that for ya?

Mental Leteci · Oct 16, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Jha Jha

cuz if your the one on the winning side everything else around ya dont matter

Hah,this is the reason why gimmick builds survive. People don't care about having fun,they just want to win even if that's what they have been playing for the last 6 months. Look at IWAYers (example, IWAYers imagine it's blood spike I'm talking about): they've been playing IWAY for over 6 months and still didn't get bored of it? C'mon... Everyone gets bored of a build you play 24/7, but they will still play it. Why? Because that's the only way they can win (or even don't want to try new builds).
So clearly, Jha Jha, this is the most obvious sentence that you don't have any idea about the game. If you think that WINNING is the main purpose than the rest of your post can be ignored. Winning is of course nice and everybody wants to win,but you can WIN and have FUN. Reason why no one cares about fun is because they all want to be on top, but they forget that all of that doesn't matter if they got their rank with a lame build and no one will care which rank they are when it's obvious that everyone can beat them if they would play a normal build.