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master_of_puppets · Nov 24, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

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Originally Posted by Sir Vengence VI

Keep the Heroes as they are not 'Overpowerd' beacuse Heroes have the same AI, making them predicible and you cant play complexed builds with them, simple because they wont know what to do. So if you keep losing to a hero team whos fault is that? and it gives players that are like r4 a nice way to win some fame, without having to play with know-nothings.

May I ask what is the point of that fame? For the emote and nothing else is what I can conclude from all these $%#&'s who actually think Heroes are good for HA. Are you gonna play better with your NPC's when you're one rank higher. You're obviously not gonna join rX+ Pugs so what's the point of it at all. You Calling people "know-nothings" when comparing to heroes is laughable, yeah the heroes know so much that they use a skill that causes weakness on a caster, and ball up and stand in a meteor shower and respond to instructions.

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Originally Posted by JodoKast

This argument doesn't have anything about heroes but about the fact that the people using the argument find the current level of play boring. It basically translates into : heroes have made HA accessible to more noobs, i don't want to play against noobs

Here, the key thing to remember is that HA was never designed to match you against teams of your level but rather to be an open tournament where everybody can compete. The argument against "heroes being boring" is no different than the similar arguments held against spirit spammer teams, holding builds, iway, vimway,... of the past. This is pure elitism in my opinion.

No the problem is not facing noobs. Its facing only noobs that are using 5 NPC's and spamming a few skills. And there is a huge difference between IWAY and heroway, you were facing REAL people not bullshit AI. Everyone could always compete but now unranked people can only do Heroway because there are no unranked pugs forming because all the unranked are grinding fame spamming SF and Glowing with NPC's

JodoKast · Nov 24, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

No the problem is not facing noobs. Its facing only noobs that are using 5 NPC's and spamming a few skills. And there is a huge difference between IWAY and heroway, you were facing REAL people not bullshit AI. Everyone could always compete but now unranked people can only do Heroway because there are no unranked pugs forming because all the unranked are grinding fame spamming SF and Glowing with NPC's

That is semantic really. Put "Non competitive group with same build" instead of "noobs" and the point still remains the same.

As for non ranked to play with heroes instead of pugs, of course they do that :

- forming pugs takes time
- success rate of pugs is not better than heroes

There is no real added value to play with pugs as opposed to play with heroes right now.

This makes one funny contradicting conclusion :
-people don't play with pugs because pugs coordination is worse than hero teams (i know that is the reason why i play with heroes instead of pugs when my friends are not online)

AND at the same time,

-high ranked player at the same time are saying that hero teams are even less competitive than pug were

oh ironic

Sir Vengence VI · Nov 24, 2006, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Thank you Jodo

bhavv · Nov 24, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

Hero's are in no way overpowered, yes they have quick interupts and good heals, but they can't bond, they can't preveil, they can't position, they can't do anything but use their skill bar unless you tell them to.

Yes a good player can win with heroes. Too bad 90% of the heroway players just charges in and lets the heroes activate their skill w/o bothering about them.

In such a case heroway=free fame, if it's a good heroway team you have just lost from a good player.

Simple as that.

But yeah, teams who say shit like: ROlled/0wned etc. = people with short dicks.

Anyway.

Exactly what I was saying before the real idiots started flaming me because they disagree

bhavv · Nov 24, 2006, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

Wrong, I play for fun with heroes, I love control them, I love winning versus ranked team full of 6 real people, and see how they explode in hate, and that is the reason people such as you hate heroes in HA. And yeah, I am ranked, and yeah, obviouslly I play with full 6 real people too, for fun too!

HA is fixing alone, with of without heroes, 6vs6 or 8vs8, with or without IWAY, VIMway, bSpike, ... whatever, HA always fix itself with time, everyone had seen that in the past 2 years. IMO, the only ArenaNet must fix is the overpower, players fix the rest.

BTW, why not just remove the henchies (not heroes) from HA? even in 8vs8 you could still play with full heroway. The "trick" is don't allow solo HA, and pugs will return faster than now (pugs are already returning slowly, like I say, HA is fixing itself)

Exactly what I was saying before the real idiots started flaming me because they disagree

bhavv · Nov 24, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

May I ask what is the point of that fame? For the emote and nothing else is what I can conclude from all these $%#&'s who actually think Heroes are good for HA. Are you gonna play better with your NPC's when you're one rank higher. You're obviously not gonna join rX+ Pugs so what's the point of it at all. You Calling people "know-nothings" when comparing to heroes is laughable, yeah the heroes know so much that they use a skill that causes weakness on a caster, and ball up and stand in a meteor shower and respond to instructions.

The point of fame is that this game is an RPG and the point of every RPG is improving your character. After reaching level 20 on PVE, and then turning to PVP, the next stage in improvement is things like ranks. Oh, and my heroes dont ball up in meteor showers, and they know when to use vital skills because I disable them and target them manually.

People that play guildwars in the RPG aspect WANT to improve their characters and obtaining a new rank feels rewarding and is a good thing about the game.

When I started using my hero build, I were steamrolling through top 200 guilds, killing most of them flawless and enjoyed it because it was fun. These guilds that lost to mine and others heroways then quit playing and are on this thread whining.

The only reason they lost is because they are the real noobs that didnt implement new nightfall skills into their builds. They were still running a Woh and RC prot (The WORST monk backup possible with nightfall elites), and the remaining 4 players were using old pre-nightfall skillsets too. All they had to do was use the new skills and learn to counter the new builds, but being the stuck up high ranked idiots they are, decided to quit instead untill ANET remove heroes.

If you dont care about fame/rank or improving your character, go play GVG with your guildies instead. Thats what its there for.

The REAL problem with HA is the ridiculous cap on fame when obtaining ranks, and how difficult it is to gain these ranks. Heros was a thing they implemented to make fame easier to achieve, and it wroks to the point where it isnt overpowered. To get to rank 9-12 you are still going to need to play with people over voice chat to get this much fame, but untill then, you can use heroes instead of pugs.

I would love to be in a HA guild and play HA with other people. I've been in 2 and got kicked, once for being interupted and not able to heal, and another time for not wanting to play GVG. These guilds ruin the game for everyone playing the game to have fun.

Heroes = fun without having to be in idiot ranked guilds to earn decent fame.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 24, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by bhavv

The point of fame is that this game is an RPG and the point of every RPG is improving your character. After reaching level 20 on PVE, and then turning to PVP, the next stage in improvement is things like ranks. Oh, and my heroes dont ball up in meteor showers, and they know when to use vital skills because I disable them and target them manually.

People that play guildwars in the RPG aspect WANT to improve their characters and obtaining a new rank feels rewarding and is a good thing about the game.

When I started using my hero build, I were steamrolling through top 200 guilds, killing most of them flawless and enjoyed it because it was fun. These guilds that lost to mine and others heroways then quit playing and are on this thread whining.

The only reason they lost is because they are the real noobs that didnt implement new nightfall skills into their builds. They were still running a Woh and RC prot (The WORST monk backup possible with nightfall elites), and the remaining 4 players were using old pre-nightfall skillsets too. All they had to do was use the new skills and learn to counter the new builds, but being the stuck up high ranked idiots they are, decided to quit instead untill ANET remove heroes.

If you dont care about fame/rank or improving your character, go play GVG with your guildies instead. Thats what its there for.

The REAL problem with HA is the ridiculous cap on fame when obtaining ranks, and how difficult it is to gain these ranks. Heros was a thing they implemented to make fame easier to achieve, and it wroks to the point where it isnt overpowered. To get to rank 9-12 you are still going to need to play with people over voice chat to get this much fame, but untill then, you can use heroes instead of pugs.

I would love to be in a HA guild and play HA with other people. I've been in 2 and got kicked, once for being interupted and not able to heal, and another time for not wanting to play GVG. These guilds ruin the game for everyone playing the game to have fun.

Heroes = fun without having to be in idiot ranked guilds to earn decent fame.

People don't want heroes out of HA because they cannot beat them. Sure, they'll lose to it here and there I guess. We want heroes out of PvP, for the simple fact that it's not PvP. And tbh the people in a heroway team should really be playing something other than GW if they want to micromanage other players. Go play warcraft, your guy is like the hero and all your heroes/henchies are like the grunts or something. Micro management = RTS. GW = RPG. HA = PvP. PvP = Player versus player. Heroes = not players.

Lord Mendes · Nov 24, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Exactly what I was saying before the real idiots started flaming me because they disagree

says the guy that posted in 4 threads about how he won halls with heroway for the first time simply to boost his e-peen. You sir are the idiot simply because whenever someone disagrees with your idea you call it flaming.
I think Ephekt had some better counter-arguements than you and if your only chance of re-countering his arguments is by calling him an idiot and saying that he has no life, then you sir are the true idiot.

@ Syra
Silly borat quotes ftw...

Nurse With Wound · Nov 24, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by bhavv

I would love to be in a HA guild and play HA with other people. I've been in 2 and got kicked, once for being interupted and not able to heal, and another time for not wanting to play GVG. These guilds ruin the game for everyone playing the game to have fun.

Heroes = fun without having to be in idiot ranked guilds to earn decent fame.

You're the only idiot here. I will stop reading your posts from now on because they're giving me nausea. Also its perfectly clear why you were kicked out from two guilds. Im also 100% sure that whoever read at least one of your posts will never invite you to his guild.

I think you can pretty much stop posting on this forum (HA), your zeputation here is below zero, starting from brilliant thread "HAY I WON HALLZ WITH HEROES", to calling everyone who disagrees an idiot and man with no life.

Is there an ignore feature on this forums?

bhavv · Nov 24, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

says the guy that posted in 4 threads about how he won halls with heroway for the first time simply to boost his e-peen. You sir are the idiot simply because whenever someone disagrees with your idea you call it flaming.
I think Ephekt had some better counter-arguements than you and if your only chance of re-countering his arguments is by calling him an idiot and saying that he has no life, then you sir are the true idiot.

@ Syra
Silly borat quotes ftw...

I dont know WTF your problem is making personal attacks against me all the time. Heres the quotes that were said FIRST by you and Ephket that make no contribution and are 100% flames:

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

To Bhavv, you should DEMAND a better HvH arena that offers more rewards, not ruin HA for the majority just because you are an anti-social lad.

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

I'm not going to argue with someone who can't make a better case for heros than "u suk cuz u luze 2 heroz lol."

God's apprentice managed to hold a decent discussion on the topic without flaming, if you cant do it then STFU or stop posting and trying to boost your ego by always stating that your right and im wrong.

bhavv · Nov 24, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

You're the only idiot here. I will stop reading your posts from now on because they're giving me nausea. Also its perfectly clear why you were kicked out from two guilds. Im also 100% sure that whoever read at least one of your posts will never invite you to his guild.

I think you can pretty much stop posting on this forum (HA), your zeputation here is below zero, starting from brilliant thread "HAY I WON HALLZ WITH HEROES", to calling everyone who disagrees an idiot and man with no life.

Is there an ignore feature on this forums?

And all your posts are giving me Nausea. I dont care about my reputation on here, Im making my say on why I want heroes to stay as much as everyone else is about not wanting them. If you dont like my views stop posting personal attacks against me.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 24, 2006, 05:39 PM // 17:39

LoL anybody else notice he said "staing that your right or I'm wrong" and not that it's just what we think.

btw, I hope you get banned bhavv. You're lucky I'm not a mod, your name calling is getting a bit excessive.

Lord Mendes · Nov 24, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by bhavv

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I only called you an idiot cuz you called every1 else one and cannot give a good argument.
Basically I said that "you should DEMAND a better HvH arena that offers more rewards, not ruin HA for the majority just because you are an anti-social lad."
The fact that you don't want to party with other real people (yes this is the internet but you are playing with real people) and cannot "fit in" makes you anti-social. Well maybe that's a strong word but the fact that you would rather play a PvP with AI is a great indication of your nature towards other real players.
I do not wanna start a flame-war simply because it is absolutely retarded, but you said that every1 with a high rank has no life. You also dismissed all Ephekts statements even though they were valid, and called him an idiot for sharing different views. And you posted those infamous screenshots off you pwning the halls and answered quite arogantly about other people not having the ability to do the same, and that your build is the "only" decent way to run searing flames.
I am sorry for calling you an idiot, that was completely idiotic of me.
Good day, have fun sir...

bhavv · Nov 24, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

The fact that you don't want to party with other real people (yes this is the internet but you are playing with real people) and cannot "fit in" makes you anti-social.

How many times do I have to say....

I PLAY HA AND PVE WITH MY GUILD, IVE BEEN PLAYING HA THE LAST TWO WEEKS WITH PEOPLE!

And you continue your anti social rant as a continual flame against me for saying,

I GET MORE FAME WITH HEROES

If one of my friends or guildies are forming a group, I join, If I'm forming a group I make henchway. Its really not an anti social thing playing henchway, its about getting fame.

Get back on topic and stop using ridiculous reasons like 'OMG YOU ARE ANTI SOCIAL COS U PLAY WITH HEROES U LOSER' as your only excuse to why you want them out of HA.

Heroes in HA is a godsend, a fantastic move made be ANET, and I hate why you people cant adapt to the change and are on here arguing because its anti social. Oh, and I've always preffered single player games to online ones, I only play GW cos its free. Im not bothered about playing games with OTHER people, im only bothered about the gameplay and having fun.

Playing with people is fun, playing with heroes is fun. Either way its only a game.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 24, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by bhavv

How many times do I have to say....

I PLAY HA AND PVE WITH MY GUILD, IVE BEEN PLAYING HA THE LAST TWO WEEKS WITH PEOPLE!

And you continue your anti social rant as a continual flame against me for saying,

I GET MORE FAME WITH HEROES

If one of my friends or guildies are forming a group, I join, If I'm forming a group I make henchway. Its really not an anti social thing playing henchway, its about getting fame.

Get back on topic and stop using ridiculous reasons like 'OMG YOU ARE ANTI SOCIAL COS U PLAY WITH HEROES U LOSER' as your only excuse to why you want them out of HA.

To be honest, people like you ruind HA. All you care about is fame. This is why people want it removed. HA is about holding halls and showing you're a skillful player. It's not about reaching a certain rank.

bhavv · Nov 24, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

I have given plenty of arguments for why I want heroes here, if your too blind or big headed to read them, thats your problem

bhavv · Nov 24, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by Nurse With Wound

You're the only idiot here. I will stop reading your posts from now on because they're giving me nausea. Also its perfectly clear why you were kicked out from two guilds. Im also 100% sure that whoever read at least one of your posts will never invite you to his guild.

I think you can pretty much stop posting on this forum (HA), your zeputation here is below zero, starting from brilliant thread "HAY I WON HALLZ WITH HEROES", to calling everyone who disagrees an idiot and man with no life.

Is there an ignore feature on this forums?

And another retard has to join the 'LETS FLAME BHAVV GANG COS WE DISAGREE AND WERE ALL RIGHT AND HES WRONG'

Seriously, I told you why I got kicked from retard guilds like yours because I werent healing when playing monk (migrane mesmered) and didnt want to GVG. Im in a fantastic guild right now and wouldnt ever leave it to join yours.

bhavv · Nov 24, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

To be honest, people like you ruind HA. All you care about is fame. This is why people want it removed. HA is about holding halls and showing you're a skillful player. It's not about reaching a certain rank.

If you can get a group that is skilled enough to hold halls then GG to you. I cant so would rather use heroes which are better then every pug ive ever been in.

Legendary Shiz · Nov 24, 2006, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by bhavv

And another retard has to join the 'LETS FLAME BHAVV GANG COS WE DISAGREE AND WERE ALL RIGHT AND HES WRONG'

Seriously, I told you why I got kicked from retard guilds like yours because I werent healing when playing monk and didnt want to GVG. Im in a fantastic guild right now and wouldnt ever leave it to join yours.

Trust me, nobody is asking you to join their guild LOL

bhavv · Nov 24, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

People don't want heroes out of HA because they cannot beat them. Sure, they'll lose to it here and there I guess. We want heroes out of PvP, for the simple fact that it's not PvP. And tbh the people in a heroway team should really be playing something other than GW if they want to micromanage other players. Go play warcraft, your guy is like the hero and all your heroes/henchies are like the grunts or something. Micro management = RTS. GW = RPG. HA = PvP. PvP = Player versus player. Heroes = not players.

If people playing guildwars want to play hero teams, then let them play hero teams. If you want to play pure PVP and dont care about fame go and GVG instead.

I dont like GVG and dont ever do it because im not getting anything for it. I like playing HA because I enjoy getting fame.

If I get more fame with heroes (50-100 a day with heroes as opposed to 3-10 a day with pugs), I'll use heroes..

Oh, and GW = free, warcraft = pay. Im not paying a subscription to play a game.