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Uberness · Nov 17, 2006, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Something I noticed while on this island, at the edge of the blue team's base by the flagstand there is a pretty big hill on the edge of the corrupted part and stops at the sand, at VoD the archer's stop just at the edge of the hill and have a the height damage/range bonus, but there is no such hill for the red team on this map so there at a disadantage fighting downhill.

Its the only map where at VoD the home team has a large advantage over the red team.

I just think the red team should be given the same hill, or take it away from the blue, right now it just seems unfair.

I Bravo I · Nov 17, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

From what I know the Home teams are generally given advantages. They are the defending team and defending team have advantages... all they need to do is hold their ground. On many maps there are more NPC's for the home team. On this map they may have the same amount of archers but the advantage is in the hight difference.

Lews · Nov 18, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

Home Team always has defense.

The Home Team is the lower ranked team.

It's balance that way on purpose.

Farin · Nov 18, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by I Bravo I

On many maps there are more NPC's for the home team.

Wait what? Since when?

As far as I know all Halls have the same amount of NPC's for each side. Don't know what you're talking about.

shardfenix · Nov 18, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Most guild halls have archers on the home team who are elevated above the playing field. I believe the only exceptions to that rule are isle of the dead and druid's isle.

Phoenix Arrows · Nov 21, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Home team (not-as-good-team) have the advantage to even the field a bit.

Program Ftw · Nov 24, 2006, 12:06 PM // 12:06

GvG has always been like that (apart from Wizards Isle before it was updated), Home team will have a slight advantage over the attacking team.

Thanks,
Program~

master_of_puppets · Nov 24, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07

yeah, but it kinda sucks if you face a guild that's a few measly ranks lower than you and aren't worse then your team at all.

Div · Dec 10, 2006, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

yeah, but it kinda sucks if you face a guild that's a few measly ranks lower than you and aren't worse then your team at all.

Yes, but the same could be said if you play a guild that is 2 rating and 3 ranks better than you. You get home hall advantage even though you're evenly skilled.

deathwearer · Dec 18, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

like they all said. Giving Home team a small advantage is logical. If your playing in your guild hall, that's mean that the opposing team has a better rank (they aren't necessary better but they "should" be).

It's like playing hockey. If your playing home, you have the advantage of having the majority of supporter. Therefor a better morale than the opposing team.

Unless the advantage is too unfair that's enought story.

rustysilver · Dec 19, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

In addition if you look at hunter's isle the home team has a path where they can go from the front to the back door of their own guild hall on the outside without going around the flag stand. The away team doesn't have this ability because the away sides layout is different than the home sides.

Wasteland Squidget · Dec 19, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by deathwearer

like they all said. Giving Home team a small advantage is logical. If your playing in your guild hall, that's mean that the opposing team has a better rank (they aren't necessary better but they "should" be).

It's like playing hockey. If your playing home, you have the advantage of having the majority of supporter. Therefor a better morale than the opposing team.

Unless the advantage is too unfair that's enought story.

No, weaker teams should not gain a mechanical advantage over stronger teams just because their play is weaker. Lower-ranked guilds should win against higher ranked guilds only if they're more skilled, not because of a map advantage. If a weaker team wants to beat stronger teams they should improve their play.

Stupid Shizno · Dec 19, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

^^ agree, the hell is not a fair advantage for the defending guild, other ways can be implimented, such as a quicker way to the flag stand.

v for Valkier · Dec 20, 2006, 01:33 AM // 01:33

not 100% positive but i believe the away team on the wurm hall has the advantage because the archers on the home team tend to stand so as to make their targets obstruct

Wasteland Squidget · Dec 20, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by v for Valkier

not 100% positive but i believe the away team on the wurm hall has the advantage because the archers on the home team tend to stand so as to make their targets obstruct

Actually, groups of archers on both sides do this. They go to the area below the flagstand and fire up into a wall. Most games we've had last until VoD on the Isle of Wurms sees those archers untouched even after the guild lord is dead.

Enlightenside · Dec 20, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

you know, there is an advantage for the defending side but most of the time its a minor factor and doesnt really matter. if the attacking team has a coordinated spike and is "truly" better and has earned their rank it should not be a problem. and honestly with all the guilds with some sort of split or gank does it really matter that some archers are elevated, they all die in the end anyway to prevent overwhelming odds at vod

Jaws Of Doom · Dec 20, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56

The difference I see here is that this home advantage is at VoD, not in normal fighting. I can see giving the home team either a height advantage, or a number advantage in normal fighting, but usually they are spread out enough to really swing the battle in one direction or another.

On the other hand, giving them the advantage at VoD can easily outweight the skill difference between the two teams. With the 25% damage bonus, coupled with a height advantage, and with all the archers in the same place, that's a major damage boost against the same amount of archers that are trying to shoot uphill at the other team. And if the battle has been close up to that point, that can easily decide the match for the home team no matter what the vistors try to do (short of ganking the lord without the home team reacting).

So, is this the only hall where the home team have a VoD advantage, or are there a set of isles where teams can really take advantage of dragging the match out?

kryshnysh · Dec 20, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by rustysilver

In addition if you look at hunter's isle the home team has a path where they can go from the front to the back door of their own guild hall on the outside without going around the flag stand. The away team doesn't have this ability because the away sides layout is different than the home sides.

This is also often cited as an advantage to the away team, as they can more easily bottle in a home team if they force them inside. As is, many people have argued for the hall to not be 100% determined by rating because often having a hall your build is designed for is a significant advantage.

This is the first specific advantage I have heard of. Considering that many others seem to imply there are other specific advantages without stating them, I am in doubt that any other hall gives such a specific advantage. How much of an advantage this is, I don't know yet, would be nice to get some tests in on this.

shardfenix · Dec 27, 2006, 12:02 AM // 00:02

All guild halls give the home team a small advantage. That's why you always play at the worst ranked team's hall.

kitiara · Dec 27, 2006, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

All guild halls give the home team a small advantage. That's why you always play at the worst ranked team's hall.

that may be small untill you use it to expliot the maps like on nomads/jade/burning with spike or on corrupted/frozen/druids with tele split builds. where the map gives you a huge advantage so the higher rank team needs to be alot better to beat you.