Curse

Thomas.knbk · Dec 05, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stixxx

Agree. Its really sad that the metagame is so twisted atm that ppl simply look over the abilities of a mesmer... IMO almost every FoTM build can be countered with just 1 mesmer. Imagine playing against a SOMW with 1 or 2 mesmers in your group...free fame ftw!

So do you mean you can come up with a mesmer build that can counter every FotM, or that for every FotM there is a mesmer to counter it? The first would be amazing, and would definitely be a reason to bring mesmers into your team, but is unfortunately not true. With two mesmers in your team you'd get pretty far with countering, but unfortunately HA is 6v6 and bringing 2 mesmers is a luxury little teams can afford.

Mental Leteci · Dec 05, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Exactly, which leads us to the same problem in HA again: 6v6
So we all know what the problem is, but yet ANet remains stupid.
Oh, BTW I'd like to say in public that Gaile has no idea what she's doing. She's talking how good 6v6 is and how everyone likes it, but I can't find those people for some reason. Maybe I should look in the PvE section?

phasola · Dec 05, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Leteci Gaile is good at what she's doing, she just doesn't PvP.
Losing your roots ? Ask Leteci ! The backfire mesmer !

Alleji · Dec 05, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by phasola

Gaile is good at what she's doing

Being all-around cheery while 15 year-old PvE nubs flame her in Kamadan ID1? And pretending she's a giant talking frog?

EDIT: Nvm, on a second thought, she's not good at pretending to be a frog.

Stixxx · Dec 06, 2006, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

So do you mean you can come up with a mesmer build that can counter every FotM, or that for every FotM there is a mesmer to counter it? The first would be amazing, and would definitely be a reason to bring mesmers into your team, but is unfortunately not true. With two mesmers in your team you'd get pretty far with countering, but unfortunately HA is 6v6 and bringing 2 mesmers is a luxury little teams can afford.

im not saying that i can come up with a "counter-all" mesmer build, but i do believe that for every FotM there is a mesmer build that could be able to counter it. I know that having 2 mesmers in your group is hardly doable but thats why i put "imagine" in front of it.

phasola · Dec 06, 2006, 10:53 AM // 10:53

Quote:

Being all-around cheery while 15 year-old PvE nubs flame her in Kamadan ID1?

Umm, yeah. Last time she tried to "PvP" she went on GHall to make forums about 6v6 tombs and look where we are now...

Mental Leteci · Dec 06, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by phasola

Leteci Gaile is good at what she's doing, she just doesn't PvP.
Losing your roots ? Ask Leteci ! The backfire mesmer !

Jelly. Bananas. IWAY.

I still claim that Backfire is best mesmer skill ever. If people don't know how to use is, it's their problem. Backfire > all
I don't remember when I had my mesmer without backfire (and I got around 12k fame with a mesmer).

Lady Callingwell · Dec 06, 2006, 03:01 PM // 15:01

diversion anyone?

diversion stops nearly every flavor of the month build, especially if heros are operating the SF

Mental Leteci · Dec 06, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

IMHO

Backfire+Diversion = : ))))))))))))))))))))

Grasping Darkness · Dec 06, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Oh cmon man you have big dreams of bringing mesmers back into H.A. but dont want to design any builds yourself and youre only rank what? with that little H.A. exp how do you know what has been?? Well anyways I feel bad for you because I see you QQ alot about getting beat on. So here ya go.

#1 me/a

attribute points
dagger mastery 9
shadow arts 9
fast casting 3+1=4
illusion magic 12+2 14

skills
jagged strike
leaping mantis sting
horns of the ox
falling spider
fevered dreams (needs to be buried deep in hexes)
shadows refuge (my choice for this slot would be feigned neutrality but im building for you without nf )
viper's defense
rez

#2
me/n
fast casting 8+1=9
inspiration 10+2=12
curses 12
wither
ether lord
power drain
rigor mortis
shadow of fear
suffering
well of weariness
rez

#3
me/n
fast casting 8+1=9
inspiration 10+2=12
death 12

tainted flesh
ether lord
power drain
spirit of failure
gaze of comtempt
inspired hex
rotting flesh
rez

#4
me/n
fast casting 8+1
domination 5+2
inspiration 9+1
curses 12
panic
ether lord
inspired hex
weaken armor
reckless haste
rigor mortis (yes x2 because of 30 sec recharge in case of removal)
mark of pain (to be applied to target of me/a to scatter nearby foe allies to allow horns of the ox to work and for extra dmg of course)
rez

alot of teams in H.A. are now using 1 or 2 grenths avatar dervishes and rt weapon spells cannot be removed
#5
me/rt
fast casting 8+1
inspiration 11+1
restoration 12

energy drain
ehter lord
mend body and soul
resillient weapon (i <3 this one)
generous was tsungrai
wielder's boon
rez

#6
me/mo
Nope there's no guardian,melee and projectile evasion is what the rt does.
>< I had to redo because you dont have nf...plz go buy nf and join the online sensation before we all flame you. Read what zealous benediction does.
fast casting 8+1
inspiration 10+2
protection 12

life sheath (instead of zb) (can be restore condition with mend ailment replaced with maybe remove hex)
ether lord
spirit bond
reversal of fortune
extinguish
mend condition
inspired hex
mend ailment (need mending touch)

yes ether lord is set alot and is to be applied to seperate targets when ally energy is low

gaile grey said in a post some time ago in a post i saw on this website that in no way does not buying additional chapters put players at a disadvantage in pvp -.- >.> oooook w/e

This build is totally speculation and holds no credit and is something I THINK will work. Well gl to you sir. I like mesmers also.
btw this took me hours today to come up with which took away from my gw time so please try it.

Lord Mendes · Dec 06, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

It is a load of trash and you will get slaughtered by every heroway and real team there is.
Don't even attempt to run this build.

Grasping Darkness · Dec 06, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

It is a load of trash and you will get slaughtered by every heroway and real team there is.
Don't even attempt to run this build.

dude. straight up. what does you statement have anything to do with the op? ok im ready for the consequenses of this but here it is plain and simple EFF YOU . man dont ever just come into a thread having nothing to say but dissing someone trying to help someone else while totally off topic. youre a pathetic waste of this site. youre accusations are as unfounded as mine. plz go somewhere else

Barbie goes guru · Dec 06, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

/pwned mendes.

We've just found your replacement for when you get kicked.

Gigashadow · Dec 06, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Wither and Ether Lord are terrible.

Thomas.knbk · Dec 06, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grasping Darkness

dude. straight up. what does you statement have anything to do with the op? ok im ready for the consequenses of this but here it is plain and simple EFF YOU . man dont ever just come into a thread having nothing to say but dissing someone trying to help someone else while totally off topic. youre a pathetic waste of this site. youre accusations are as unfounded as mine. plz go somewhere else

Actually, he is right and his 'accusions' are 100% founded because your build fails. It hasn't got any holding power, but unlike most teams without holing power it doesn't have any offense either. Please realise Mendes knows what he's talking about.
Further, the OP asks for mesmer build because he's tired of playing his 2nd prof with FC, yet you give him an FC sin, an FC curse spammer, an FC rit and an FC monk. Oh yeah, and wither....better take Conjure Phantasm lol. It's got more degen, shorter recharge and the energy degen will get focus swapped away anyway.

Grasping Darkness · Dec 06, 2006, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

Actually, he is right and his 'accusions' are 100% founded because your build fails. It hasn't got any holding power, but unlike most teams without holing power it doesn't have any offense either. Please realise Mendes knows what he's talking about.
Further, the OP asks for mesmer build because he's tired of playing his 2nd prof with FC, yet you give him an FC sin, an FC curse spammer, an FC rit and an FC monk. Oh yeah, and wither....better take Conjure Phantasm lol. It's got more degen, shorter recharge and the energy degen will get focus swapped away anyway.

the roots of a mesmer are its ability to fast cast which other classes cant.
sry i look at a good offense as the best defense. why hold when you can just kill them all ? lol ?smirking saying conjure phantasm has better degen than wither? bleeding,poison,suffering,wither degen,disease. thats like 18 degen, accompanied by monks energy degen being like +4
this build would rely greatly on communication for hex placement.
as for you sticking up for your buddy....ok so thinking youre better than everyone allows you and him to be a jackasses? Im done with you and going to do something that isnt going to suck me into the flaming ways of closed minded haters.

I thoguht it would be cool to give mesmer in need a build with all mesmers so he/she could go in ha with the attitude that mesmers own all. this thread isnt a discussion on haters saying someone idea sucks.
END FLAMING
Back on topic plz
ok wither works initially but ends at targets energy being 0. if you dont like using that maybe ss or lingering curse or...idk my ideas are being hated on and im mad now and done

What if... · Dec 06, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

I don't think the roots of the mesmer are in fast casting, as much as shut down, though FC does help with caster survivability. FC doesn't really make spells in attribute lines outside of mesmer that much more effective either. People who play Mesmer would still be effective Mesmers without FC because they would still retain the knowledge and timing they need to shut targets down. I, like others here, don't see much hope for an all mesmer team in HA outside some sort of spike. PD and other interrupts have become the job of eles and rangers who can stomach them for longer battles and that doesn't bother me.

So long as there are targets in gvg who can really feel the pressure of a long term shut down, Mesmers will always have a place. No other class can approach you without becoming the unfortunate target of harsh retribution. In conclusion, the strategic thought put into gvg really allows the class to shine where others cannot and its there that the OP will find the most satisfaction as a Mesmer.

I suppose RA and TA can also work as a quick fix; however I've found the former can also be very stressful, especially when dealing with long streaks of progressively inept players. I swear I sometimes wish I could shatter the mending and healing breeze off of wammos and kill them myself...

phasola · Dec 07, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

lol @ build
That's something only Leteci would think about. But who knows, maybe it can kill some AI.

Mental Leteci · Dec 07, 2006, 12:42 AM // 00:42

My builds may have been weird, but all of them held halls for a long time, including my surge mesmer which became the most popular mesmer in game. KTNXBAI

BTW Jelly, start flaming me when you manage to interrupt a guy who's casting Resurrection Chant under Migraine, Arcane Conundrum and Daze. :P

Program Ftw · Dec 07, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScuZZ

Sorry to hear that .. In my opinion mesmers are the most powerful class (as long as people know how to play them)

I find Mesmers seem to look better on paper than they do in the battle.

Thanks,
Program~