Curse

Program Ftw · Mar 03, 2007, 08:57 PM // 20:57

I decided to make a new thread on this, since the other topic was leading onto something different. Slap me if I'm wrong.

Crippling Shot
Energy: 10.
Recharge: 1 Second.
Line: Marksmanship.
Description: If Crippling Shot hits, your target becomes "Crippled" for 1...7seconds. This attack cannot be "blocked".

All I suggest changing is the energy cost from 15e to 10e. My reason being, with skills like Mending touch having a strong presence in the metagame and anti-crippled Mods/Runes, I believe this change would be justified.

Agree/Disagree?

Thanks,
Program~

Zuranthium · Mar 03, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

I agree. Crip Shot and Pin Down both need to be brought down to 10 energy.

~Z

Thomas.knbk · Mar 03, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

One part of me says 'It used to be 10 energy, and it was overpowered.'
Then another part of me says 'Dude, we didn't have Dismiss and Mending Touch back then' and I think 'duh'

So I think it's justified.

HolyHawk · Mar 03, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

^ Yeah, kinda the same feeling. Still think mending touch needs a tweak on recharge even if this skills is changed.

Thom Bangalter · Mar 04, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

no, just nerf mending touch. That skill is imba.

Riotgear · Mar 04, 2007, 04:17 AM // 04:17

Mending Touch recharge --> At least 6 seconds.

nightrunner · Mar 04, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Cripshot's fine as it is, it's Mending Touch that needs balancing. I think the casting time should be increased to 1 second, too.

Retz · Mar 04, 2007, 06:24 AM // 06:24

Dshot > Mending touch

Harvey Birdman · Mar 04, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48

On Mending Touch:

The description says it's a spell, but I've noticed it's affected by expertise.

Huh?

Xenex Xclame · Mar 04, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23

All "touch" skills are effected by expertise, spells or not.

Patccmoi · Mar 04, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightrunner

Cripshot's fine as it is, it's Mending Touch that needs balancing. I think the casting time should be increased to 1 second, too.

Agreed with that.

The thing is, if you lower the ecost to 10E, then Cripshot becomes REALLY spammable again. And then if you DON'T have Mending Touch, it becomes overpowered, which leads to rock-paper-scissors game play which is bad. When a skill is too good and counters a wide range of skills too well (conditions), the solution is NOT to buff what it counters but to nerf the skill.

It's like Divert Hexes countering hexes too hard and then they made hexes REALLY powerful (SV, RM before nerf...), which lead to 'if you don't have Divert, you have no hope to beat hex teams head on' -> rps

I think that Cripshot could use a 1s activation time buff, THAT would be good. It wouldn't make it more spammable (well, SLIGHTLY more) but it'd be faster to catch targets. Along with a Mending Touch nerf (personally i'd like to see it 5/1/6. To remove 2 conditions AND heal yourself, it's worth 1s cast time. And it'd settle a lot of problems in skirmishes cause 1s cast time becomes fairly easily interruptable), i think that Cripshot would be interesting again.

Riotgear · Mar 04, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retz

Dshot > Mending touch

Natural Stride > Dshot? :P

remmeh · Mar 04, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

but knowing ANet, they'll buff Crippling Shot to 10s recharge and nerf Mending Touch instead of just doing one or the other. kind of like when they buffed Hexes and almost made Divert Hexes a 2sec cast.

JR · Mar 04, 2007, 11:20 PM // 23:20

How does Crip-Shot need any change at all? It has consistantly seen play even after the last nerf to it where it became 15e. We still run a Crip-Shot Ranger right now, seems fine.

Zuranthium · Mar 05, 2007, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

We still run a Crip-Shot Ranger right now.

Yes, but you also only beat Grandmas and little girls. And bunny rabbits, I guess.

EDIT: But, really, it's funny to hear that. I haven't seen Crip Shot used in a LOOONG time.

~Z

Thom Bangalter · Mar 05, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

I see it all the time too....

I mean, burning arrow is stronger but that's because you generally have another way to snare on a two person split so it's not as necessary.

Ronin Rangerin · Mar 14, 2007, 07:22 AM // 07:22

Id also like to see the energy cost reduced to 10, with the recharge increased slightly (3-4 seconds)

TheLordOfBlah · Mar 21, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retz

Dshot > Mending touch

GL trying to pull that off on a skill with a 3/4 seconds cast time and an interrupt that takes a half a second+flight time. Did you think that through at all?

Farin · Mar 21, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

It is quite and possible and it happens a lot. Do you play Guild Wars too?

Franco Power · Mar 21, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah

GL trying to pull that off on a skill with a 3/4 seconds cast time and an interrupt that takes a half a second+flight time. Did you think that through at all?

I think the only skills I never dshoted were skills like PD on a mesmer.
Mending touch is dshot food to any decent ranger.

By the way, reviving old threads is not cool.