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Feb 27, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29
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Grindin'
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: MO
Profession: E/Mo
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those skills zenrgy quoted? all awesome. Shackles, crippling anthem, and bull's charge more so than SoD and PD, but then again, I play midline and have a hard-on for movement control.
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Feb 27, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Quebec
Guild: Pretty much stopped
Profession: Rt/
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I have to seriously disagree with Weapon of Quickening too. The ability to give close to MoRecovery (and with the rounding it's often really close especially for low recharge skills. Like 2s recharge drops to 1s, 5s recharge drops to 3s (same as MoR), 8s recharge drops to 5s...) on 3-4 allies in your team at the same time just can't be considered as useless, it's imo the most powerful caster buff in the game. Even Eles DoTs are really solid skills when you throw WoQ on their back and they can use them regularly.
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Mar 17, 2007, 03:42 PM // 15:42
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Aug 2005
Guild: Inadequately Equipped [GeAr]
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Skill use is all based upon your imagination and how much you want to put into a skill. If you based an entire gvg build around any of these skills it could be good. If you cant see at least one use in any of these skills then you should probably take a look again. [skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill] + [skill]Diversion[/skill] ftw? [skill]Vocal Was Sogolon[/skill] + [skill]"Incoming!"[/skill] ftw? The first would have to be on a sin and then have a mesmer ready to cast Diversion and just time it well. Use that combination on one monk and then spike the other and watch them suffer. Three seconds might not be enough to cover an entire spike but around five seconds should be plenty. Put this on a Rt/P and use it as part of a resto/command support build.
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Mar 17, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31
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has 3 pips of HP regen.
Join Date: Aug 2006
Guild: The Objective Is More [Cash]
Profession: W/
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Speaking of /E... [skill]Gale[/skill] Last edited by Riotgear; Mar 17, 2007 at 04:34 PM // 16:34.. |
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Mar 17, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49
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Avatar of Gwen
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wandering my own road.
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I believe the reasons Wastrel's Collapse is so bad are; *Deadly Paradox *Knockdown With Deadly Paradox in the game, you can quickly cycle your (assassin) non-attack skills much faster than you otherwise would be able to, making balancing those skills that much more of a nuisance, as you constantly have to ask yourself, "Would this become broken under Deadly Paradox?" The knockdown in and of itself seems innocuous, but if it successfully triggers, the effect is cumulative when the recharge of Wastrel's is low enough towards the next trigger. That is to say, if you're running it under Deadly Paradox, you'll have Wastrel's Collapse recharged before the effect is complete. If it's successful, and you knock down the foe, barring instant-cast skills, that foe is unable to do anything towards the next Collapse, which is cast immediately upon ending. In theory, this means past the first knockdown, the actual time a foe has to do nothing is 3 seconds. That's not a major improvement, but that's with Wastrel's Collapse being garbage. Imagine if it were buffed to 3 seconds until the knockdown. After a successful knockdown, the window of skill use becomes 1 second, which is a bit unreasonable in situations where it'd be effective in, likely 'scrub' pvp, while still being largely useless elsewhere. Wastrel's Collapse, then, suffers from the "jump through hoops to use" syndrome, wherein, it's either never going to be worth the effort to make use of, or it's going to be retardedly broken when the conditions are met. I think it needs a functionality overhaul. (removed musings on possible changes, as it's not quite the thread for them) Last edited by Mercury Angel; Mar 17, 2007 at 05:11 PM // 17:11.. |
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Apr 01, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Feb 2005
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I think all Paragon elites are shit. Truly, running something like Expel Hexes or You are all alone! is way better than anything from primary.
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Apr 01, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Sep 2005
Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]
Profession: A/
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Focused Anger, Cruel Spear and Crippling Anthem are decent.
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Apr 02, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48
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Elite Guru
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Manchester, England
Guild: SMS/Victrix
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[skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill]
is the worse elite in the game. Anyone who thinks Icy Shackles, Psychic Distraction, Shield of Deflection, Crippling Slash, Bull's Charge, Crippling Anthem are useless elites should learn to play the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing game. |
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Apr 02, 2007, 11:01 AM // 11:01
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Mar 2007
Profession: N/Me
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Apr 02, 2007, 12:27 PM // 12:27
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Nov 2005
Guild: Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]
Profession: R/
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[skill]Locust's Fury[/skill] - A great skill that gives a good chance to double the amount of damage you can do. [skill]Cleave[/skill] - cheap and powerful [skill]Whirling Axe[/skill] - cheap and powerful [skill]Enraged Smash[/skill] - cheap and very powerful when used correctly [skill]Bull's Charge[/skill] - an amazing skill for running and for hunting a kiting target [skill]Defy Pain[/skill] - a very nice buff that works wonders in 'harder' areas or while tanking [skill]Dwarven Battle Stance[/skill] - a great way of causing interruption and damage [skill]Crippling Slash[/skill] - cheap and handy in high kiting areas [skill]Gladiator's Defense[/skill] - once the core of most Wammo farming, still very potent [skill]Archer's Signet[/skill] - combine with concussion shot etc. and its a really amazing skill [skill]Escape[/skill] - one of the Best running skills in the game [skill]Famine[/skill] - combine with spirit shackles and mind wrack and its a real damage dealer [skill]Greater Conflagration[/skill] - works wonders in fire weak areas or to reduce damage taken in non fire areas (when using Fire AL) [skill]Incendiary Arrows[/skill] - a great little skill that combined with a attack speed boost is amazing [skill]Scavenger's Focus[/skill] - combine with Screaming shot and lotsa damage [skill]Quick Shot[/skill] - although i still hate this skill it is good for high dps due to its fast recharge and usage time [skill]Aura of Faith[/skill] - the skill that makes Willa such a harsh boss to take down [skill]Peace and Harmony[/skill] - Cast on an ally monk and they gain +1 regen for a long period of time [skill]Unyielding Aura[/skill] - Fast casting res, that doesnt cause dp if they die while under it, great in a close battle [skill]Healing Burst[/skill] - Cheap and mass healing [skill]Shield of Deflection[/skill] - My Fav Monk elite, works wonders [skill]Cultist's Fervor[/skill] - Allows for some serious amounts of casts without the usual drain [skill]Life Transfer[/skill] - great for damage and healing [skill]Signet of Suffering[/skill] - great damage dealing elite [skill]Power Flux[/skill] - energy denial and interruption [skill]Psychic Distraction[/skill] - interruption and skill disabling with a seriously high recharge [skill]Shared Burden[/skill] - seriously annoys others [skill]Keystone Signet[/skill] - great in a high signet build [skill]Tease[/skill] - great to annoy people who forget about the lonely mesmer hanging around [skill]Echo[/skill] - one of THE best elites, allows so many amazing builds. [skill]Thunderclap[/skill] - continuous knockdowns; such a great way to effectively disable someone [skill]Stone Sheath[/skill] - a great Hex that works wonders especially on assassins [skill]Icy Shackles[/skill] - a cheap effective slowdown to stop those kiting monks [skill]Weapon of Quickening[/skill] - A Team support skill that really can help boost damage when cast on an Ele or Monk |
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Apr 02, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Sep 2005
Profession: Mo/Me
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Apr 02, 2007, 01:12 PM // 13:12
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Apr 02, 2007, 01:14 PM // 13:14
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Elite Guru
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Manchester, England
Guild: SMS/Victrix
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Apr 02, 2007, 01:40 PM // 13:40
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Feb 2005
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1. It is bugged, not increasing in power past 10 leadership. 2. I have never ever seen any gvg with this skill used. 3. There are no adrenaline spear attacks that would be good damage to spam them with this. Obviously I mean non-elite attacks cos otherwise you can use this. What are you gonna spam with this? Barbed spear, merciless spear etc are all things you aren't really benefiting from spamming them, unblockable throw, mighty throw have 3 sec cast, then we have wild throw which is low damage. So basically all you can spam with this that has even remotely good damage is Blazing Spear. They've given paragon a bunch of adrenaline buffs then made all attacks worth spamming energy based. So all this skill is able to do is make your GTFE spam faster. It would be a good elite if paragon had Galrath Slash, Sliverwing Slash, Sun And Moon slash. Then you would have a decent damaging adrenaline chain. Unfortunately that is not the case. They nerfed all support in paragon to hell, making him all about spear mastery with GTFE spam. Ironically the Spear Mastery happens to be the attribute with the fewest skills and a lot of duplicated functionality. I don't get it why Crippling Anthem is supposed to be good. I guess it can be useful, but it is way easier to just have water snares, or pious haste/rush/dash/whatever on melee and rather use Expel Hexes or something like that on paragon which produces way better results. Cruel Spear has a large hoop to jump through, especially considering paragon has no KD, and its damage has been nerfed. Some of their elites aren't shit when you look at them alone, but suck when compared with other options. For instance Cautery Signet doesn't suck if you look at it alone, but is crap compared to Martyr. |
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Apr 02, 2007, 03:09 PM // 15:09
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Sep 2005
Guild: Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]
Profession: A/
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[skill]Blazing Spear[/skill][skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]"Go for the eyes!"[/skill][skill]Focused Anger[/skill][skill]Mirror of Disenchantment[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]signet of return[/skill] 9+1 leadership, 9+1 command, 12+1+1 spear Crippling anthem is godly in a physical-based team, try it 
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Apr 03, 2007, 02:33 AM // 02:33
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2005
Profession: Mo/
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Hey, you can't say Power Flux is crap, the skill icon itself worths the best elite.
Lol, jk. Wastrel Collapse, The Power Is Yours and Stone Sheath maybe are funniest elites added in NF. I don't even know what the heck is Stone Sheath used for. The Power Is Yours is just too bad to fix, only its name reference is cool. And how can ANet think a use of Wastrel Collapse ? Some random non-controllable knock down, hoping that target foe is too dumb to get ? Even if assume they fix it to "After 5s, target foe knock down" it is still very bad because it still can't be timed to use. Using to snare on Frozen Isle ? Good luck timing it 5s before target foe run to ice ( unless that player is dumb enough) Using to shutdown ? It's like "Hey, we're gonna spike in 5s, pre-protect yourself, blind our melee chars and watch your position" |
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Apr 03, 2007, 12:10 PM // 12:10
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Nov 2005
Guild: Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]
Profession: R/
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Apr 03, 2007, 12:27 PM // 12:27
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Quebec
Guild: Pretty much stopped
Profession: Rt/
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So basically you have to sacrifice some attribute points only for that, and usually a fair amount, which is why you don't really see it often. But the effect is in fact very very powerful and can't actually be replaced by anything else in the game unless your team can work under QZ. Being able to give OTHERS 33% faster recharge on spells is overall really powerful, especially because of the rounding. Basically it's: 2s recharge -> 1s recharge 4s recharge -> 3s recharge 5s recharge -> 3s recharge 7s recharge -> 5s recharge 8s recharge -> 5s recharge after that it pretty much doesn't round in any way that matter. But 2s to 1s recharge, 5s to 3s and 8s to 5s can sometimes seriously buff some builds. Mind Blasters are especially powerful with WoQ as they get 1s recharge Mind Blast (which can allow greater than EProd energy gain when spammed) and can usually pack powerful AOEs that get a very good drop in recharge. Try a Mind Blaster with Mind Blast, Searing Heat, Teinai's Heat, Mark of Rodgort, Eruption, Deep Freeze and Fire Attune (attrib for Eruption and Deep Freeze don't really matter though usually i raise both to 9 so i can have 75 base AL with Prismatic) and then put WoQ on his back. There is such massive AOE raining on the other team, you can nearly keep Deep Freeze going all the time and you can blind a pack of melee quite often. Without WoQ, the recharge doesn't make the build nearly as efficient. Channeling Rt with WoQ on their back can make for very scary single target nukers too. WoQ is a really interesting elite, what's holding it back is mostly being in Communing. Imo it's the only elite in the game atm that can make offensive casters viable as pressure char, because the massive drop in recharge of their spells which is often 40-50% at low recharge can make for very interesting builds. It's also quite versatile as you can use it on any caster, so say you're under pressure you can keep it on your LoD Monk so that he can LoD every 3s instead of every 5s, or against a hex heavy team you can use it on your Divert so that he can Divert every 3s (as energy allows ofc). |
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Apr 03, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Guildmistress Eve [Me], Guildmistress Azura [N], Guildmistress Azumi [A], Guildmistress Jaina [D]
Guild: Guildmaster Aeron [Rt], Arthas Ironfist [W], Guild: The Tyrian Templars [TTT]
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Hmm I use WoQ pretty effectively, just remember it is not only for your own use. Ive cast it on monks before in tight situations and they went like... WOW TY I needed that.
Oh I think Stone Sheath is used pretty effectively combined with foes that spam Iron Mist. And there are also skills that make you take less damage from Earth attacks, which makes it usefull too. The Power is Yours... nope... cant find any use for that. Unless someone has a Butterfly Sword for my W/P named Prince Adam and his brave pet Cringer. Last edited by Guildmaster Cain; Apr 03, 2007 at 01:34 PM // 13:34.. |
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Apr 03, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Jul 2006
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