Curse

Radiant Dawnstar · Jul 12, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33

It's a bad example. Football is different from HA for several reasons. First of all, you can enter Football at your level at any time you want, there is no requirement to join. You need a Rank to play, and to play you need a Rank. Sure you can lie about your Rank, but if you suck at the game you still won't get anywhere. Second, you will almost always be paired up with teams that are equal to you. In HA a PuG from English District will get paired with a good guild group and lose, causing people to ragequit (because they don't understand they can get ABSOLUTELY OWNED by better players).

Most importantly, football is fun. HA is not.

karunpav · Jul 12, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radiant Dawnstar

Most importantly, football is fun. HA is not.

Changed my mind, THIS is the quote of the thread.

P.S. sorry Mendes, <333

Lord Mendes · Jul 13, 2007, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radiant Dawnstar

Most importantly, football is fun. HA is not.

Irrelivant to the analogy, but so true.

God Apprentice · Jul 13, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nimble Night

Ok, here's how it works. Heroes don't lag. I do.(well at least until Anet fixes their issues) and well ha kinda sucks now anyway, so I'm not concerned about "damaging ha". So I am farming fame with heroway until its nurfed. I dont see how its any different from paraway or ritspike. The only difference is my build is better.^^. QQ plz

Disclaimer: This is a good example of the kind of attitude to NOT have towards playing in Heroes Ascent.

Seraphic Divinity · Jul 13, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

You're complaining about heroes? From the sound of your post you're mad because 'noobs' kill -you- instead of the winning team?

Here's a suggestion... -BE- the winning team, then there's nothing to worry about?

Have trouble being the winning team? -MAYBE- its because you're busy trying to beat the GOOD team (who is already winning at this point), instead of the HERO group that's on your tail 24/7

THAT seems to be more of a problem than using heroes.

If you can't beat hero-teams, then gg man

If you can beat them, SO WHAT?! More power to you. Go get your phoenix THEN come back and open a thread complaining. If they're so easy then go hold halls all night.

I -love- how almost EVERYONE here is against 'easy' teams in Heroes ascent.

I would love for people to name successful HA builds that were popular and effective...
spike
spike
iway
spike
iway
iway
iway
iway
iway
iway
bspike
iway
iway
iway
invoke
invoke
sf
sf
somw
rit
rit
r spike
r spike

yayaya gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick.

What the heck is everyone talking about? "I want it like it was in the old days, SOOO much more fun, I'm like, TOTALLY going to stop HA because today's gimmick is new and I'm too lazy to run this because sf spiking was more fun that this, because when I used sf it was sparkly, but now when I use ancestors rage its like.... not as reddish sparkly as sf, but rather greenish sparkly... and red is my favorite color... and greens not in my top five..."

GOREDENGINEGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGOGO BACK TO PVE

BTW, you complained about rit spike... that made me LOL so hard.

**EDIT: And yes, I am waiting for some touchy responses because I know several many of you who 'farmed' your fame will take my post to heart

lighten up

Randomway Ftw · Jul 13, 2007, 01:19 AM // 01:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seraphic Divinity

You're complaining about heroes? From the sound of your post you're mad because 'noobs' kill -you- instead of the winning team?

Here's a suggestion... -BE- the winning team, then there's nothing to worry about?

Have trouble being the winning team? -MAYBE- its because you're busy trying to beat the GOOD team (who is already winning at this point), instead of the HERO group that's on your tail 24/7

THAT seems to be more of a problem than using heroes.

If you can't beat hero-teams, then gg man

If you can beat them, SO WHAT?! More power to you. Go get your phoenix THEN come back and open a thread complaining. If they're so easy then go hold halls all night.

I -love- how almost EVERYONE here is against 'easy' teams in Heroes ascent.

I would love for people to name successful HA builds that were popular and effective...
spike
spike
iway
spike
iway
iway
iway
iway
iway
iway
bspike
iway
iway
iway
invoke
invoke
sf
sf
somw
rit
rit
r spike
r spike

yayaya gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick.

What the heck is everyone talking about? "I want it like it was in the old days, SOOO much more fun, I'm like, TOTALLY going to stop HA because today's gimmick is new and I'm too lazy to run this because sf spiking was more fun that this, because when I used sf it was sparkly, but now when I use ancestors rage its like.... not as reddish sparkly as sf, but rather greenish sparkly... and red is my favorite color... and greens not in my top five..."

GOREDENGINEGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGOGO BACK TO PVE

BTW, you complained about rit spike... that made me LOL so hard.

**EDIT: And yes, I am waiting for some touchy responses because I know several many of you who 'farmed' your fame will take my post to heart

lighten up

Interesting that a spike robot from the pr0 guild [tard] would say this. Interesting how you only made one ambiguous reference to the scrub build you ran.

Seraphic Divinity · Jul 13, 2007, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Oh noes!

Someone bringing up TARD on me!

Why I listed b-spike on there once? It wasn't that popular or effective to the degree of the others I listed kthxbai

Its hilarious when people resort to personal assaults rather than actually commenting on my post =)

It actually rather disgusts me, but whatever suits you.

Tea Girl · Jul 13, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seraphic Divinity

You're complaining about heroes? From the sound of your post you're mad because 'noobs' kill -you- instead of the winning team?

Here's a suggestion... -BE- the winning team, then there's nothing to worry about?

Have trouble being the winning team? -MAYBE- its because you're busy trying to beat the GOOD team (who is already winning at this point), instead of the HERO group that's on your tail 24/7

THAT seems to be more of a problem than using heroes.

If you can't beat hero-teams, then gg man

If you can beat them, SO WHAT?! More power to you. Go get your phoenix THEN come back and open a thread complaining. If they're so easy then go hold halls all night.

I -love- how almost EVERYONE here is against 'easy' teams in Heroes ascent.

I would love for people to name successful HA builds that were popular and effective...
spike
spike
iway
spike
iway
iway
iway
iway
iway
iway
bspike
iway
iway
iway
invoke
invoke
sf
sf
somw
rit
rit
r spike
r spike

yayaya gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick gimmick.

What the heck is everyone talking about? "I want it like it was in the old days, SOOO much more fun, I'm like, TOTALLY going to stop HA because today's gimmick is new and I'm too lazy to run this because sf spiking was more fun that this, because when I used sf it was sparkly, but now when I use ancestors rage its like.... not as reddish sparkly as sf, but rather greenish sparkly... and red is my favorite color... and greens not in my top five..."

GOREDENGINEGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGOGO BACK TO PVE

BTW, you complained about rit spike... that made me LOL so hard.

**EDIT: And yes, I am waiting for some touchy responses because I know several many of you who 'farmed' your fame will take my post to heart

lighten up

go sit around id1, scrub

Cass · Jul 13, 2007, 08:49 AM // 08:49

It's not that you lose to bots, it's that it's no fun playing against them.

Playing against the same gimmick teams every time is also not much fun, but a little bit better than playing vs bots.

Jessyi · Jul 13, 2007, 12:54 PM // 12:54

I played a couple games of HA the other night. Did you know that if you laugh and vomit at the same time, you WILL choke?

Lord Mendes · Jul 13, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessyi

I played a couple games of HA the other night. Did you know that if you laugh and vomit at the same time, you WILL choke?

You win the internet.

Ka RaTae · Jul 13, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

What it seems like is needed is for ANET to make this game have 1 class with 7 skills. That way all anyone could ever run is the same build. Seems like that would stop the whinning by so many people.

LOL

7 Skills and a REZ Sig FTW

Despozblehero · Jul 13, 2007, 06:07 PM // 18:07

or i dunno, if you didnt want to make the game like chewing wood. how about Anet fix their (ongoing) mistakes, and keep trying till they get it right... instead of doing something menial like making a retarded list then making it omnipotent.

NEOgeo · Jul 13, 2007, 06:53 PM // 18:53

yeah heroway is overpowered, but not because its ran by heroes, but cause of the build(s) themselfes and the massive pressure they dish out, but some important roles in that build like the N/Rt's and tainted are EXTREMLY boring to play as a human, and thru boredome u get lazy and dont keep tainting or w/e so the preference is always gonna be to take a hero .

facing heroway with a relativly balanced HA build can be tricky and challenging but by no means impossible to beat, and i myself enjoy the chalenge (the first few times anyway , then i get a bit bored of it if your facing it all day, but u never really face it all the time ) , and on relic runs it might aswell be a free pass to the next map most of the time .

HA was "broke" long before the recent flood of heroway builds playing, but still its fun and challenging at times , and we are all still here playing and talking about Ha so they must be doing soemthing right to keep some sort of interest and debate going, however "broke" it may seem .

Yichi · Jul 13, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seraphic Divinity

Why I listed b-spike on there once? It wasn't that popular or effective to the degree of the others I listed kthxbai

Now I know that you have the tag [TARD] but please tell me that either a) you're not that damned retarded or b) you're not that damned terrible at this game, to believe the validity of this statement.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEOgeo

yeah heroway is overpowered, but not because its ran by heroes, but cause of the build(s) themselves and the massive pressure they dish out...

This statement is very inaccurate. While yes it is the builds that are being run by the hero, it is also the AI in itself that is better than a lot of players running the exact same build. Thus the main reason why a heroway can be brutal to fight and why people have so many bitchfests about it. If you ever faced a hero hex team, or like the hero thumpway teams, they can be extremely brutal due to the fact that the heroes can run the build far more effectively than the less-than-average to average player could run it. You cant honestly tell me that a casual, run of the mill player who only dabbles in competitive PvP formats occasionally enough to grind his deer persay, will know exactically how to run this build as effectively as the heroway team will run it.

Heroes can be very effective given the right circumstances such as a player failing to load into the next map, or replacing a player that drops during a match, but the main point boils down to this: Why should an artificial intelligence be allowed to be used to compete in a player vs player environment? This isnt PVE, or Player vs AI, or anything else. This is Player vs Player and should be treated as such.

Snow Bunny · Jul 13, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

I understand that the AI is very good....but in certain circumstances where it's coordinated Heroway with some sort of spike....it takes a reasonable amount of management skill to perform that. In that regard, I believe it may be pvp without losing the human element. You're still facing "human" tactics and usage of skills...even if it's an AI that's executing them.

$.02

Ka RaTae · Jul 13, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

The AI is not great. It's that the games targeting systems sucks, and a robot can just find a target better then a human.

Despozblehero · Jul 13, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by NEOgeo

HA was "broke" long before the recent flood of heroway builds playing, but still its fun and challenging at times , and we are all still here playing and talking about Ha so they must be doing soemthing right to keep some sort of interest and debate going, however "broke" it may seem .

Mightve been "broken" before but not in the degree it is today... as for being still here well yes i am still here talking about it, but no im not playing it. Infact my core members of the guild and I havent entered HA in a few weeks and we havent played HA regularly in a few months... the whole reason i started posting on guru was because of how "broke" HA was. Fighting heroway isnt fun or skilled or anything remotely PVP. It might as well be a few humans on an all Charr PvE team, cause youre fighting AI which is exactly the same as fighting monsters in PvE to me... Reguardless me and my guild are looking for a new game, looks like as a whole, anet managed to alienate my entire guild in one fell swoop with the reintroduction of 8v8 and the subsequent choices thereafter.

Death_From_Above · Jul 13, 2007, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Despro if your looking for a new game buy called of duty and called of duty united offensive off ebay trust me youll love it ^_^. It will please you more than HA at the moment ever could.

Back on topic now, i just wanted to know who would agree with me here in saying: heros should not be allowed in HA because they are actually decent npcs. I always sort of thought if you had an npc on your team you should be disadvantaged automatically for it. What do you guys think? It doesnt seem right to me that you can just pick up a hero whos actually alrite and own still. When people used hencies in HA the good thing about them was they did not give the team who had them a major advantage which is as it should be. HA is for pvp not pve. But yet at the same time it did not exclude them. This also encouraged people to run full human builds. But the whole idea of having heros which are almost equal to player level in HA i say is beyond reason. Anyone agree with me or do you all think i should go into rehab.

Was just curious what you all thought.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Jul 14, 2007, 12:24 AM // 00:24

Barbs+2 or 3 thumpers=death without SoA and/or SH... Which, while you shouldn't lose to this build 1v1 unless you're terrible or make a few mistakes, is VERY annoying in halls when they throw it on your ghost or something and you're already taking pressure.... of course, the very fact that it is "hero"way means an increased tendency to gank as they have less of a chance of winning...