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Riotgear · Oct 02, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

While I have serious issues with the current implementation (8 minute time limit, LOL), I have zero sympathy for people who either got voted the biggest asshat of the match, or abandoned their team.

Saying the dishonor hex shouldn't affect GvG is nothing more than trying to weasel out of the punishment: If you don't want to deal with the consequences of it, don't get it!

The ways you get it right now are a bit problematic. The fact that you're facing the consequences of your actions when those consequences are inconvenient for you is definitely not.

Kyp Jade · Oct 02, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Why should PvPers (GvG/HA) Be punished for having to leave pve so they can play?

Div · Oct 02, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Wow, was this post originally in Sardelac? So many PvEers who don't know what they're talking about responded to this...

But yeay, get rid of dishonorable in GvG.

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Originally Posted by allience

why was my thread moved from the riverside inn??

Oh, that explains it.

wuzzman · Oct 02, 2007, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by Vazze

Here is an idea to get even:

The NOOB hex
If three of your teammates stamp you with the /noob command, you will get hexed with the NOOB hex and you can't play PvP for 10 minutes and you can't play PvE for 1h.

Since mr wammo could easily shrug off the pvp penalty by going back to charr hunting, I felt it was important to temp ban him from PvE too.

now that I love. let the dishonor system effect pve too.

RTSFirebat · Oct 03, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by Floski

Obviously you don't GvG k.

I'm in RA because I'm bored. I've never RQ an RA match first. Only if someone else left first have I left. I can kill without a monk so I don't care. If 2 of my teammates are dead and there are no sigs left, I'm going to leave as well. If my guild calls and says "GvG time" I'm going to leave, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO RA, I'm gvging. Should I be punished for that? If you think I should be, you're a moron. Pretty much sums it up. Keep me out of RA I don't care, but do you think GvG has a leeching problem, a leaver problem? lol. You must be a pretty scrub GW player to think so.

I'm looking at the guild tags of people who are against this petition. Pretty clear none of you guys have even top500 GvG experience.

Whooo there kiddo, chill for a second. ^^

I do GvG, maybe not at a top 500 level, but I do. I can understand where the OP coming from.

Next time read my later posts before flaming, and RED ENGINE GOing is not a good way to get a point across

Someone said before, there only 5 options on /report and the only one which gives you dishonour is "leeching", otherwise you get it from leaving. Simply put, don't leave a match too early!

What I do, is simply play really badly, for example not res someone if I want a match to end quicker. Sure its still wrong, but its only RA so it doesn't matter.

Sure beats leaving early and getting 5 points.

Melody Cross · Oct 03, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

While I have serious issues with the current implementation (8 minute time limit, LOL), I have zero sympathy for people who either got voted the biggest asshat of the match, or abandoned their team.

Saying the dishonor hex shouldn't affect GvG is nothing more than trying to weasel out of the punishment: If you don't want to deal with the consequences of it, don't get it!

The ways you get it right now are a bit problematic. The fact that you're facing the consequences of your actions when those consequences are inconvenient for you is definitely not.

Looks like Riotgear wins the thread.

Seriously, did the OP really think that his guildie could be a jerk/idiot in RA and suffer no consequences when he went to something more serious? Thats like grounding your kid from television for a week but giving him money to go to the movies!

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Originally Posted by fenix

Exactly lyra, that's what no one in this thread understands. There's nothing stopping you spike-reporting someone right before a GvG, which could ruin AT chances for that guild.

I spose that's what you get when a heap of PvErs try to post about something they've never played. Sad state of affairs.

The system is stopping you fenix. You can't /report people that aren't in the same district or team as you.

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Originally Posted by Floski

Obviously you don't GvG k.

I'm in RA because I'm bored. I've never RQ an RA match first. Only if someone else left first have I left. I can kill without a monk so I don't care. If 2 of my teammates are dead and there are no sigs left, I'm going to leave as well. If my guild calls and says "GvG time" I'm going to leave, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO RA, I'm gvging. Should I be punished for that? If you think I should be, you're a moron. Pretty much sums it up. Keep me out of RA I don't care, but do you think GvG has a leeching problem, a leaver problem? lol. You must be a pretty scrub GW player to think so.

I'm looking at the guild tags of people who are against this petition. Pretty clear none of you guys have even top500 GvG experience.

You should be punished for it. You left a team--not the team you wanted to be on, but the team you were with--in dire straits. This elitism is stuff is getting pretty sad. EDIT:I'm not sinking to your level.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

/signed

GvGs take a long time to set up, and after im ready i wouldnt mind doing some ra to kill time before the match. But when every1 is set and ready to do some AT's, Then I MUST leave to AT, or my guild forfiets match.

Leave = 5 pts
3 reports = 6 more pts.
/owned no ATs for guild

besides, This pve dishonour stuff is only meant to apply to low level RA, TA, and AB.

This is the crux of the "argument" for this petition. Don't commit to doing something you know you can't see through. I'd consider that a valuable life lesson.

I've been in some pretty good guilds in my time. I've played with some really great players. Many of them were nice folks. Some of them didn't care about anything but winning....and they only cared about winning for themselves. the good guilds kept control of those players. They didn't let them do something dumb enough to get reported over--and if they did, it was their fault for being a douche, not Anets for catching them in the act.

When the /report system is reimplemented there are two things you can do alliance:

1.get control over your monk so he doesn't do something stupid before a match
2.kick the asshat and find a mature player.

or...3...QQ here some more; not riverside. Thats where the PvE only crowd hangs out.

/vote for close. After 5 pages there is no cohesive, rational argument against implementing dishonor to effect all PvP.

GGs

luilui · Oct 03, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

reported by noob is an issue that anet should address.

but to avoid it is so easy that i cant even be sympathetic to those who got locked out of gvg. u just need to have a bit more respect to less organised pvp and more responsible to ur action. don't RA 10 min before gvg if u have 10 dishonor point. how difficult is that?

if AT is so important for u then should learn to think 20 min ahead.

look the system probably isnt prefect but everyone should be fine if they can stand 10min of boredom just before gvg.

Div · Oct 04, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23

At the least, I want to see my dishonor points. Say I quit an RA match for GvG, thinking I only have 5 points and I'll get to play. Then all of a sudden, I find out I have the hex on me because 3 retards reported me in the past hour. Being able to see your dishonor points help manage that better, so at least you'd wait to let your team die instead of leaving right then.

Son Of The Axe · Oct 04, 2007, 07:38 AM // 07:38

god i hate you a-net, making me agree with a douche like Divine is a crime against God

Div · Oct 04, 2007, 08:06 AM // 08:06

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Originally Posted by Son Of The Axe

god i hate you a-net, making me agree with a douche like Divine is a crime against God

whoru?

I guess I'm popular these days?

segnisletum · Oct 04, 2007, 08:42 AM // 08:42

Seems a bulk of the people against it are taking a "you aren't in a top guild, so your thoughts on gvg are meaningless" approach. Always makes for good discussion when you attack the arguer rather than the points made.

Also seems most have a problem with the possibility of abuse the system more than the system itself. As you only get dishonor points for leaving early and leeching, and you have to be on the same team as a person to report for leeching, the whole concept of the opposing guild /report-spiking someone is scrapped. If you are going into an important AT match, think you would use better time management skills so you wouldn't have to leave early. Chances of being reported by 5 people randomly for leeching isn't likely, more so in the couple match "time killing" segments people are describing. Not likely to even be reported by 3 people, number needed for dishonor with a leave, in that scenerio. People aren't sheep as one person suggested.

As far as dishonor working on gvg matches...It is very clear that the people argueing for it not counting in gvg matches have no respect for ra. Thus getting banned from there isn't much of a punishment for them. This is still meant to be a punishment, you just don't want it to bother you, has nothing to do with fair. If you had it your way, punishment would be like sending a kid to his room, but that was where all his favorite toys were. Not much of a punishment.

Understandably though, the pvers who get it can just go back and "farm charr" as someone said. Maybe extend it so they aren't allowed to leave hall/towns while under it? Would also prevent them from reporting people at random if it stopped them from something they care about.

And a way to see my dishonor points would be nice and another way to avoid the gvg problem.

Floski · Oct 04, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Seems a bulk of the people against it are taking a "you aren't in a top guild, so your thoughts on gvg are meaningless" approach. Always makes for good discussion when you attack the arguer rather than the points made.

I said top500. If you consider top500 "top guild" then you're a pretty sad kid. Point is, unless you ARE top500, you probably don't even get why GvG is a big deal. GvG IS the PvP of this game. RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO tombs, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO RA, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO TA, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO AB, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO HB. That is not PvP. GUILD WARS, is about GUILD VS GUILD. Tombs is where Top GvG players go when they're bored and not enough guildies are on for GvG.

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You should be punished for it. You left a team--not the team you wanted to be on, but the team you were with--in dire straits. This elitism is stuff is getting pretty sad. EDIT:I'm not sinking to your level.

Top500 is elitism. lol. It really does show what level of competition the people who support this measure are at. GvG > RA. If my guild calls for GvG, I'm outta there. Are you stopping the leeching/leaver problem by punishing people like me? No, you're really not. The people you're after are the ones who farm RA and leave unless they have a monk and a rit. Not people who might leave an RA match once a week because their guild is calling. Stop being retarded k thx.

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What I do, is simply play really badly, for example not res someone if I want a match to end quicker. Sure its still wrong, but its only RA so it doesn't matter.

I'm sure everyone has gotten a match with a runner. And what's the difference between playing so badly it hurts your team and leaving? There is none in practice. Yet one is punished and the other isn't.

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I do GvG, maybe not at a top 500 level, but I do

lol.

It's this simple kiddies. When you finally understand that GvG is the end game for Guild Wars, you'll understand why people have a problem with the dishonorable hex in GvG. If you keep thinking that AB is PvP and not "FF" or that RA means anything worth a shit, or that Tombs is where the action is, you'll never get it.

BlackSephir · Oct 04, 2007, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Just read Riotgear's post and shut the hell up with your whining mr. better-than-others.

DraZer · Oct 04, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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When you finally understand that GvG is the end game for Guild Wars

Fact of the day: People are different!

Why do you even go to RA (which is shit according to you ), when you probably know that your guild will GvG soon?

Btw, did the little kiddo learn some new words yesterday? Spamming RED ENGINE GORED is ze way to go!

wuzzman · Oct 04, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17

Well let dishonour effect pve as well.

BlackSephir · Oct 04, 2007, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

Well let dishonour effect pve as well.

You know, that's good idea- I may even start PUGing then.

RhanoctJocosa · Oct 04, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Agree with RTS, just run in and alt-tab to something else while you wait for your team to lose.

Oh and on topic, if your guildie is stupid enough (DCs and such put aside) to get the hex when they know they are GvGing or an aT is comming up then that's tough luck, tbh.

Floski · Oct 04, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by DraZer

Fact of the day: People are different!

Why do you even go to RA (which is shit according to you ), when you probably know that your guild will GvG soon?

Btw, did the little kiddo learn some new words yesterday? Spamming RED ENGINE GORED is ze way to go!

Yeah I have magical mind powers so I know when 4 of my guildmates are going to log on. I should predict that shit.

Fact of the day: Some people are wrong. GvG is the endgame, fact.

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Just read Riotgear's post and shut the hell up with your whining mr. better-than-others.

Stop whining about leavers/leechers. lo lo lo lo lo .

Despozblehero · Oct 04, 2007, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by Floski

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Whatever point trying to be made here fails... If youre an asshat no GvG for you... leaving once a week to go GvG wont ban you, if 11 mins kills your guild to wait cause you (on the miniscule chance) that you left one game and 3 people reported you so you got 11 dishonor and "OMG ENDZ TEH WORDLZ!!!111" dont RA... If youre starting an AT dont go RA 15 mins before it starts... Now back under your bridge troll.

BlackSephir · Oct 04, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Floski

Stop whining about leavers/leechers. lo lo lo lo lo .

Since dishonour is in nobody whines about leavers and leechers- where have you been?